Premier League Gameweek 34

Sandikan

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He missed the tackle not the ball. Like I’ve said numerous times he failed to take possession away from Vardy with his attempted tackle so the challenge on Vardy is still a denial of a goal scoring opportunity.
I think you're missing the fact that these days a legit attempt for a tackle is NOT a red anymore when last man. It changed.

You don't have to "take possession away", you just have to make an attempt at a tackle, as opposed to say just kicking someone, or tugging them, which are not legit attempts.

The red only serves if it's for the reckless nature of the studs on leg follow through.
 

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Did the ref just miss their man getting smashed to the floor off the ball there?
 

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All he did was knock it slightly forward for Vardy to run onto and get a shot away. Vardy got taken out by the follow through so I think it’s a red.
But thats not how the rules are. As long as you get the ball first, then there are absolutely nothing which says you cant stop the player at the same time

Even if it pushes the ball 10 cm or 10 m
 

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So if I’m clearly wrong and the ref clearly got it wrong then why no VAR intervention if that’s clearly the rule?
Yeah that would be a real precedent for Var to be wrong, wouldn’t it?

I can only speculate, but I’d say they didn’t intervene because they are generally told to not undermine the referees authority (unless the mistake is factual rather then interpretive). The factual here is that there was contact (and there was); and whether it’s deliberate or not falls under the rubric of interpretation.

They won’t intervene but we can see it for what it was.
 

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You need to catch yourself on. That’s not how it’s refereed anymore. It’s only a red for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity if there was no attempt to play the ball. So a shirt pull is a red but a mistimed tackle is not.

This is why they virtually stopped sending off goalies.

Here, not only was there an attempt to play the ball, but he actually did get it. That’s simply not a red card.
I think you're missing the fact that these days a legit attempt for a tackle is NOT a red anymore when last man. It changed.

You don't have to "take possession away", you just have to make an attempt at a tackle, as opposed to say just kicking someone, or tugging them, which are not legit attempts.

The red only serves if it's for the reckless nature of the studs on leg follow through.
Both wrong. Those things only apply if it's in the box. DOGSO outside the box is still a red card.
 

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I think you're missing the fact that these days a legit attempt for a tackle is NOT a red anymore when last man. It changed.

You don't have to "take possession away", you just have to make an attempt at a tackle, as opposed to say just kicking someone, or tugging them, which are not legit attempts.

The red only serves if it's for the reckless nature of the studs on leg follow through.
That’s for penalties.
 

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He gets the ball, Vardy gets nothing. I don't see the clear red

I would imagine the logic is that Vestergaard tries to make a tackle, touches the ball and then Vardy's foot but without dispossessing him, then makes contact with him a second time on the back of the leg which is what denies Vardy the goalscoring opportunity. Given that touching the ball in and of itself isn't enough to stop something being a foul and it's supposed to actively require a mistake on the ref's part to be overturned, that might be enough for it to stand.
 

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I would imagine the logic is that Vestergaard tries to make a tackle, touches the ball and then Vardy's foot but without dispossessing him, then makes contact with him a second time on the back of the leg which is what denies Vardy the goalscoring opportunity. Given that touching the ball in and of itself isn't enough to stop something being a foul and it's supposed to actively require a mistake on the ref's part to be overturned, that might be enough for it to stand.
Yeah I think that’s correct.
 

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Genuinely baffled by the takes that he didn't get the ball. What are people watching?

I don't like what's happening to football.
Same here.

BBC reporting that red card was for scoring opportunity. Not "nasty" tackle. But that is just trying to cover up the fact they where wrong. Vardy was not even in the chance. Vestergaard took the ball. Shocker once again by VAR and refs. Not the first time and surly not the last.
 

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I would have more respect for VAR if they done him for the stamp. Will be interesting to hear the explanation from the PL either way
 

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That would be absurd if true. What are you basing this on?
That is the rule. It's the "double jeopardy" thing. The idea is that both a penalty and a red card is too much of a punishment for one foul unless it's intentional.
 

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That is the rule. It's the "double jeopardy" thing. The idea is that both a penalty and a red card is too much of a punishment for one foul unless it's intentional.
Yeah, that’s right. I realized it a minute too late. It is in fact because of double jeopardy. That very much explains it.
 

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That would be absurd if true. What are you basing this on?
As far as I'm aware, he's correct.

If it happens in the area then you restore the goalscoring opportunity by awarding a penalty and give a yellow (if it's a genuine attempt to play the ball) or red (if it's not).

Whereas if it happens outside the area it's a red.

Might be wrong though.
 

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I'm a pessimist.

But I'm glad to have made an impression on you. Do keep following me around.
Well I am not blind so could read your crybaby moaning at half time in the threads yesterday.
 

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As far as I'm aware, he's correct.

If it happens in the area then you restore the goalscoring opportunity by awarding a penalty and give a yellow (if it's a genuine attempt to play the ball) or red (if it's not).

Whereas if it happens outside the area it's a red.

Might be wrong though.
But as I see it, he tackles sucesfully - as he gets the ball - so its not denying any chance by unlawful means

So you cant send him off for that. Recklessness maybe, but not denying a chance