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Look at what Tuchel is doing at Chelsea having been there just for 4 months and compare to Ole. Extending his contract now does not make any sense whatsoever. However, knowing Woody...
Pretty much, give him 3+ good signings and see if he can keep us in a title fight and win a trophy.Ole should have another year with some backing. He is still learning at this level and the club.
If we are still losing most of the time when it matters like this season while having a couple of good signings, we should be finding someone else at the end of next season.
I would like the club to address the issue in positions such as CB, RW and CM this summer and see how we do.
Agreed with the bold part but it’s not like Ole can be sacked after coming second. A three-year contract is too much though IMOLook at what Tuchel is doing at Chelsea having been there just for 4 months and compare to Ole. Extending his contract now does not make any sense whatsoever. However, knowing Woody...
It does make sense, having a manager operating within his last year is not great. It creates a lot of uncertainty and distracts from the task at hand, which is having a good season. Every narrative becomes one of debating the manager's role beyond the current season, and inevitably if the club decide he is not the man then they have to work to replace him during the season itself which is never a very classy or desirable situation.Look at what Tuchel is doing at Chelsea having been there just for 4 months and compare to Ole. Extending his contract now does not make any sense whatsoever. However, knowing Woody...
You do realise that ole is nearly 50, when is this nonsense of still "learning" going to end? What we have seen the past 2.5 years is what we will get next season.Ole should have another year with some backing. He is still learning at this level and the club.
If we are still losing most of the time when it matters like this season while having a couple of good signings, we should be finding someone else at the end of next season.
I would like the club to address the issue in positions such as CB, RW and CM this summer and see how we do.
Also we shouldnt have a manager learning at supposedly 'the biggest club in the world' as they like to churn out.You do realise that ole is nearly 50, when is this nonsense of still "learning" going to end. What we have seen the past 2.5 years is what we will get next season.
He can do that somewhere else like all managers that aren't hired over the technicality of being an ex player.Ole should have another year with some backing. He is still learning at this level.
Interesting readingSo since Ole took over Liverpool have won EPL/CL, Chelsea a CL, City EPL &Carling, Arsenal an a FA cup, Leicester a FA cup. UTD nothing
Not even a carling cup
And we should extend Ole ?? Mediocrity at its finest.
I said at this club and at this level. And, I also said learning.You do realise that ole is nearly 50, when is this nonsense of still "learning" going to end. What we have seen the past 2.5 years is what we will get next season.
I'm in your camp. Another season and big spending but no contract extensionI said at this club and at this level. And, I also said learning.
Basically, it means if he can improve just like players do. He obviously has been getting better than the first 2 seasons. Does not mean he will pass it.
It is why I want to give him another season with good signings. Let's face it. Our bigger issue at the moment is not being able to fill obvious gapping holes in the squad.
You can have so called 'good manager' and the issue of not being able to compete against the likes of City in the league will be there.
Players and managers can leave their teams each and every year. And it is not like Ole is a fantastic pull for players. He is a nobody in top managers world and failed to win even a single cup while managing United. He is clearly below Pep, Klopp and Tuchel in the prem alone. If anything, if I were an elite footballer, I'd rather play under Ole for a season to start with than for three. If he finally wins something, he will have his contract extended. So far he has been unsuccessful.It does make sense, having a manager operating within his last year is not great. It creates a lot of uncertainty and distracts from the task at hand, which is having a good season. Every narrative becomes one of debating the manager's role beyond the current season, and inevitably if the club decide he is not the man then they have to work to replace him during the season itself which is never a very classy or desirable situation.
Unless it is very much sold as a temporary or caretaker position to begin with then generally there is a pretty good reason for having a minimum of a 2 year contract. I would agree that 3 years seems a little premature as this next season feels very key, but I think we have to nail our colours to the mast to some extent.
If you go to job interviews and tell potential employers “I’ve got no track record but pay me a hefty salary, give me a few years to ‘learn on the job’ and maybe after that I will deliver results (or maybe not)”. I wonder if they would hire you or another candidate who has the credentials they’re looking for.Ole should have another year with some backing. He is still learning at this level and the club.
Standards have really fallen, it's sad to see.Another trophyless season with a billion pound squad and we are talking about extending his contract. Couldn't make it up
If you are pretending of not knowing what I am trying to say, then have it your way.If you go to job interviews and tell potential employers “I’ve got no track record but pay me a hefty salary, give me a few years to ‘learn on the job’ and maybe after that I will deliver results (or maybe not)”. I wonder if they would hire you or another candidate who has the credentials they’re looking for.
They can leave their teams every year, it doesn't mean that is the right situation for us. Chopping and changing managers every other year isn't a viable strategy for us because the reality of our ownership is we have relatively set budgets that we will be working within.Players and managers can leave their teams each and every year. And it is not like Ole is a fantastic pull for players. He is a nobody in top managers world and failed to win even a single cup while managing United. He is clearly below Pep, Klopp and Tuchel in the prem alone. If anything, if I were an elite footballer, I'd rather play under Ole for a season to start with than for three. If he finally wins something, he will have his contract extended. So far he has been unsuccessful.
Who says you have to do that to hire a new manager? As far as I can see, Tuchel has spent absolute feck all so far?They can leave their teams every year, it doesn't mean that is the right situation for us. Chopping and changing managers every other year isn't a viable strategy for us because the reality of our ownership is we have relatively set budgets that we will be working within.
We cannot really afford too many seasons where we go out and have massive net spends to appease an incoming manager who has a certain style or expectation of players he wants. It's difficult to imagine we could spend as City did to target full backs, or in the way Chelsea targeted players last summer. We can sporadically spend big on a player but it has to be within an overall structure. This was the problem we had with Mourinho signings. They were good players but they weren't necessarily right for us, they cost us a fortunate during and beyond his tenure and were aligned with Mourinho's short term goals and became redundant beyond that.
We have to pretty much build with a manager over a period due to our structure. Within that, having managers on one year deals or in trial by fire situations isn't conducive to that strategy. That would be my theory on why we should either sack Ole right now or give him an extended deal. I would think this idea of leaving it in the air next season is a nonsense, we have to decide the man to take us forward.
Yes, but this is not how we operate, it is barking at the moon and nothing more than that. We now appear to have some sort of committee headed by Murtogh but all the noises coming out of the club are that the personnel has changed but the process is largely unchanged. The managers have a large say on transfers to the extent that they are approved by them, there is no going over and above the manager's head according to higher club principles. Those principles are set with the manager to begin with.Who says you have to do that to hire a new manager? As far as I can see, Tuchel has spent absolute feck all so far?
Just don't base your transfer strategy on your manager. That's exactly what Chelsea do - nobody could make sense of their summer transfer window last summer, because Lampard's teams obvious deficiencies were at the back. While Chelsea went and blew most of their budget on forwards - and its paid off now, because they bought the best players they could - and then just brought in the right manager for them,
He is a United legend, and the fanbase hope for a new Fergie. That's why. If that wasn't the case, nobody would support him on here.Why do we simply let him off the hook because “yung nd learnin”?
Last I checked the club wasn’t an internship scheme for new managers. We shouldn’t just be expecting managers to learn on the job and hope they eventually come good.
He’s been a manager for a decade too incase we’ve forgotten.
The solution seems easy. Just strip that role away from him.Yes, but this is not how we operate, it is barking at the moon and nothing more than that. We now appear to have some sort of committee headed by Murtogh but all the noises coming out of the club are that the personnel has changed but the process is largely unchanged. The managers have a large say on transfers to the extent that they are approved by them, there is no going over and above the manager's head according to higher club principles. Those principles are set with the manager to begin with.
If the manager is deciding personnel then it stands to reason you must have medium to long term thinking with appointments. It doesn't mean you can't have the occasional temporary solution if needs must, but clearly this is going to be the exception rather than the rule and is probably limited to transitions between appointments.
We can throw all kinds of suggestions forward for how things should be, but under the system that exists the manager is afforded a degree of reverence within the overall footballing structure that means he isn't just a coach or a guy with the chalkboard. This is why the club would be keen to tie something down so all of the goals for the club and manager can be set across all areas of responsibility, not just the ones aimed at trophies or league positions.
That's not going to happen though, is it? They have already decided on this "new" structure. They're not going to turn their back on that anytime soon. The manager remains part of the transfer setup, and given his position probably the most integral to it if he is able to veto transfers which is essentially the ability he has if they're saying they won't sign a player the manager doesn't approve.The solution seems easy. Just strip that role away from him.
It seems like there's a structure in place now that goes beyond the manager with Murtough as the clubs sporting director - and the last piece is just demoting the managers role to a head coach. I can understand why its difficult to openly demote Solskjaer while he's still in charge, but why just lengthen that pain by extending his contract?
Ironically enough they fired another club legend, with an even larger profile in the English game than Ole, earliy to replace with an established tactician to take over an already very talented squad and they've reaped the rewards since...Look at what Tuchel is doing at Chelsea having been there just for 4 months and compare to Ole. Extending his contract now does not make any sense whatsoever. However, knowing Woody...
Yes but Ole is in a rebuild, can't judge him until he gets an entirely world-class XI and even if he doesn't win he's settling the bases for the next manager. He's a hero.Ironically enough they fired another club legend, with an even larger profile in the English game than Ole, earliy to replace with an established tactician to take over an already very talented squad and they've reaped the rewards since...
Pundits and the press slated the Lampard firing at the time as premature and harsh yet Abramovich has only managed to be justified tenfold since then.
If only we had proactive ownership with actual balls like that instead of the complacent and reactionary leeches we have now.
Yes but Ole is in a rebuild, can't judge him until he gets an entirely world-class XI and even if he doesn't win he's settling the bases for the next manager. He's a hero.
This is so true, I can't believe the blind love he gets, he wasn't even that big of a player for us, it's not like its Beckham or Scholes, even then at some point you have to see the reality and admit that just because he was a great player for us doesn't mean he also has to be a great manager.Yes but Ole is in a rebuild, can't judge him until he gets an entirely world-class XI and even if he doesn't win he's settling the bases for the next manager. He's a hero.