Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Womp]

It's hilarious tbf. When we complain that the performances aren't sustainable and the football being played isn't good enough moving forward even when we win, they moan that we are making the place unbearable, that we are miserable and can't enjoy the moment etc. as if we are supposed to overlook the fact that the manner of a good portion of our wins is worrying.

When we don't comment, we are supposedly 'coming out of the woodwork', 'enjoy the team losing' and 'had nothing to moan about'. You're right, we were quiet as the major success we've had and the scintillating football played under Ole these 2 and a half years really did shut us up.

 

[Leftback99]

I’m sure all the threads in the player performances section will show absolutely nobody who attack those for being critical of the manager up as at all hypocrites and their contributions are nothing short of glowing

But of course they only resort to criticism when it’s justified. It’s only other people who do so out of dishonest and malicious intent

If you feel 'attacked' just because people disagree with you, then it's probably better not to post.

 

[anant]

1773 posts since the defeat to Villarreal.

The previous 1773 posts pre-Villarreal took place over 37 days (19th April -a day after 3-1 win vs Burnley). Progress

 

[MU655]

Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.

Why do people keep saying he has very little backing when he has had the biggest net spend of any club during his time as manager? We spend more than any club without selling.

He has had both time and resources. How is he not getting backed?

 

[RkkMan]

Why do people keep saying he has very little backing when he has had the biggest net spend of any club during his time as manager? We spend more than any club without selling.

He has had both time and resources. How is he not getting backed?

He's had only 4 players who you could deem as starting 11 quality in the 2/3 YEARS he's been here(Bruno, AWB, Maguire, Cavani) the latter being a last grasp stop gap who wasn't a first choice. Everyone else was either a depth signing or 4th/5th choice. He wanted a CB and Sancho last summer got neither
Chelsea on the other hand got 5 players in ONE WINDOW for their starting 11 discounting Ziyech(Werner, Havertz, Mendy, Thiago Silva, Chilwell)
Pep has spent over £200m in his defence ALONE
He's not been backed to a similar level like that of City/Chelsea. This summer he needs a starting CB, starting DM and starting RW if he gets all those THEN we can say he's been backed

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

 

[MattofManchester]

He's had only 4 players who you could deem as starting 11 quality in the 2/3 YEARS he's been here(Bruno, AWB, Maguire, Cavani) the latter being a last grasp stop gap who wasn't a first choice. Everyone else was either a depth signing or 4th/5th choice. He wanted a CB and Sancho last summer got neither
Chelsea on the other hand got 5 players in ONE WINDOW for their starting 11 discounting Ziyech(Werner, Havertz, Mendy, Thiago Silva, Chilwell)
Pep has spent over £200m in his defence ALONE
He's not been backed to a similar level like that of City/Chelsea. This summer he needs a starting CB, starting DM and starting RW if he gets all those THEN we can say he's been backed

You are comparing us to two clubs of which:
1. Had a ban the previous window and pushed that money back into the team the next.
2. That used the infinite money cheat code.

It seems forgotten already that we've just barely been out of a pandemic, which all things considered, Manchester United handled pretty well, given that the two other clubs we were competing with in revenue are now basically broke.

He signed a 40m bench option and there are really people complaining if he's been backed sufficiently. I also seem to recall that we only missed out on Sancho because Dortmund's price tag was overblown.
It's whether he continues to be funded, not whether he has been.

 

[rk4utd]

If all our rivals strengthen - as they will - then we will need at least 4 marquee signings - everyone, including the glazers knows that - however, it will need 250+ million to do so - no chance - so ole will have to make do with 1 marquee (if price is right and they don’t fancy Chelski, the dippers or citeh) and 2 mediocre/unproven/at the right price types = majority calling for ole out by January.....and the cycle will continue. Depressing times in terms of challenging for the only 2 titles that should be of interest to the ‘worlds greatest football club’ .....

 

[redcafe_reader]

I agree, it is a low standard for United and simply not good enough in my opinion. Ole is basically doing a Lampard. We now need a manager that can take us a step further. With what's available I could only see Poch & Rogers available but many won't like Rogers because of the Liverpool link.

Personally I don't have a issue with it for couple of reasons.
(1) He's no Rafa
(2) Liverpool fans didn't really take to him

I would argue the Liverpool job came too soon for Rogers and honestly think he's improved in the last few years. Plenty will argue he can't get Leicester over the line though. However, many would say the same about Ole.

We're just delaying the inevitable with Ole. He will get 3/4 players in summer which will undoubtably improve us. It's possible we may win a cup competition but is that enough? Personally I just want the holy grail back and winning the league. Cups are second best which also includes the CL I know many will question that but it's just my opinion, not saying I'm right it's just my preference.

I think you may read my post wrong. I am not saying this is low standard, what I am trying to say is even if you think this is low standard no other managers manage to achieve that before Ole. I am still all Ole in and I don't think Poch or Rogers or even Tuchell can work with us and deliver the same result as Ole, our player is just not good enough mentally wise.

One of the reason I really like Ole is that 100% of the players he bought in is the low drama/ego & hard working type, which is the only way we can move forward. I only hope he's strong enough to bench or sell our underperforming player.

 

[JustinC00]

He signed a 40m bench option

He didn't target or sign him. That was a board decision which was helped by Van der Sar. He really hasn't been backed. He wanted Sancho & a CB and got neither. He wanted Bruno in the summer, board said no and it wasn't until it was painfully obvious we needed a playmaker like him that they got him in the Jan window

 

[7even]

Mostly it comes down to what perspective we take if you’re Ole in/out.

If I take a long term perspective then I keep him for a year or three. Mainly because I want him to finish the clear out and rebuild our squad to a decent level. We’re still two or three years away until that’s completed. I don’t want defend his tactical skills but until we have two midfielders who can keep possession and dictate the tempo it’s hard to challenge for a PL or a CL title. McFred is very good without the ball but in possession they’re average, sometimes even worthless.

If Ole can start one season with an upgraded midfield then I think he has a good chance to challenge all the best teams. If I was in charge I would immediately tell him to upgrade his coaching staff. Pronto. We need someone at the side line who can when necessary make tactical changes without hesitation.

If I look at it short term then I hire Conte or Zidane, Especially Zizo will attracts almost all young French talents to be part of his project. But then we talk about maximum two three seasons.

My hesitation with short term solution is because we still have Woodward and the Glazers on top of this project. That’s a concern. If I look at it with a positive view then I take the blueprint from the Bucs. When Tom Brady took command (don’t believe anything else) and made the important calls then they never looked back. Zidane has a similar background both as player (and manager) and his decisiveness and personality is the key to make a similar journey.

Finally. We can all make strong arguments for both views. It’s not black or white. Both solutions has there merits and limitations.

 

[BorisManUtd]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

Trouble is Klopp won 2 Bundesliga titles before joining Liverpool (last manager and last team to win it that's not Bayern) and played in CL final. Ole's biography is few titles but in Norway with Molde who seem to be the best team over there anyways.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

Here we go again..

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Ole won head to head vs Pep in the league. Makes him the better manager!
Have more wins than Tuchel in head to head. Makes him the better manager!
Better league positions than Klopp in the first 3 years. Makes him the better manager!
Better record than Zidane got vs Tuchel and Pep. Makes him the better manager!
Pochettino got fired for Mourinho and Ole took over from Mourinho. Makes him the better manager!


Basically Ole is the best manager around!

 

[crossy1686]

Here we go again..

If we had spent £1b in the summer I can understand people lacking patience but when our best players are free transfers and the rest are back up it's hard to say we should be anywhere near any title with this squad

 

[Eriku]

Trouble is Klopp won 2 Bundesliga titles before joining Liverpool (last manager and last team to win it that's not Bayern) and played in CL final. Ole's biography is few titles but in Norway with Molde who seem to be the best team over there anyways.

Best team in Norway, indeed. Who failed to win the league throughout their 100 years until Ole took charge.

 

[tenpoless]

If we had spent £1b in the summer I can understand people lacking patience but when our best players are free transfers and the rest are back up it's hard to say we should be anywhere near any title with this squad

That's crazy.

 

[VorZakone]

At the end of the day, 2nd places don't mean that much. Arsenal got 2nd in 2015/16, did it lead to them towards winning a PL or CL? No, in fact they've been on a downward spiral. Mourinho with Utd in 2017/18, did he build on it? No he didn't.

Losing the EL final against Villarreal was just really bad.

 

[Giggsyking]

The thing is had Chelsea lost yesterday, everyone would be calling Tuchel a bottler - lost CL finals last year, FA Cup final this year and almost bottled Top 4 this year only to be saved by Leicester's bottlejob.

Hads, almost, ifs and buts Tell me what really happened. The fact people use hypothesis to defend him instead of actual trophy record is enough to tell about him as a manager.

 

[Godfather]

If we had spent £1b in the summer I can understand people lacking patience but when our best players are free transfers and the rest are back up it's hard to say we should be anywhere near any title with this squad

Sometimes I think the Ole apologies are created by a badly programmed bot.

 

[Godfather]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

Wow I never saw it from that perspective. Best manager in the world we have!

 

[Eriku]

Wow I never saw it from that perspective. Best manager in the world we have!

 

[Giggsyking]

I don’t think it is. I think it’s pretty clear that there are some on here that are so obsessed with getting rid of him that they would happily see us lose to get what they want.

Cut the silly argument. No united fan wants the club to lose, all those here are angry because they know the club can do better without him.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.

You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.

Not a fan of comments like these.

I'm not Ole in or Ole out. I just want what's best for United.

Of course more people will post here since the final considering how we lost a final to a team that's 7th in the Spanish league and the in-game management was non-existent.

Also, Ole is a manager who previous to the United job hadn't achieved anything in management and since joining, has been tactically inept at times so based on these two things, can you blame people for not believing in him?

Yes, we got second but if we didn't feck up against all the relegation fodder teams, it would have been an actual title challenge. Liverpool were missing 50% of their backline and Chelsea had a massive wobble before Tuchel came in. This will probably not happen next year. The second place finish really is papering over the cracks. I'm willing to assume despite finishing second, our odds next season will be below that of Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Do you honestly think Ole, who plays two defensive mids against low block teams like Sheffield United and doesn't utilize his squad or make subs will suddenly improve so much that he will be able to guide us back up to the upper echelons of club football?

To me, Ole seems to have an idea of his strongest 11 and will 90% of the time just play them. He doesn't make tactical personnel changes that frustrate us in FPL. We have been relying on moments of magic and that's why when a top player like Bruno has an off day, it's quite likely we won't win that game.

Can't believe you think people actually want United to lose a final to say "I told you so"

 

[anant]

Hads, almost, ifs and buts Tell me what really happened. The fact people use hypothesis to defend him instead of actual trophy record is enough to tell about him as a manager.

Oh ok. In that case we are the 2nd best team in England. Ole was a better manager this season than Klopp - would you agree with that then?

 

[Giggsyking]

If you have all the answers as you so arrogantly put down in the above post, why even participate on a forum? And the funny thing is that you predict they will be back in full force when we struggle, as in validating their rhetorics completely - the message being he is not up to standards.
Nobody wants the club to lose, but some are in their full right to whisper their negativity with the current manager being in charge of something so big and meaningful to a lot of people - both fans and shareholders. It’s extremely concerning, I am too very concerned of the well-being of Man Utd with an amateur in charge relative to other clubs. We do not have the holistic football model in order at United, we need to have the right/best managers for it to work.

If you feel the need to fuel your ego with a houlier than thou-post, at least make the content match the message so you appear remotely as smart as you think you sound. Yes they will be «back» as you call it, of course they will, they want the club to achieve success, they won’t tolerate mediocrity.

Best post of the year.

 

[pablo__p]

Not a fan of comments like these.

I'm not Ole in or Ole out. I just want what's best for United.

Of course more people will post here since the final considering how we lost a final to a team that's 7th in the Spanish league and the in-game management was non-existent.

Also, Ole is a manager who previous to the United job hadn't achieved anything in management and since joining, has been tactically inept at times so based on these two things, can you blame people for not believing in him?

Yes, we got second but if we didn't feck up against all the relegation fodder teams, it would have been an actual title challenge. Liverpool were missing 50% of their backline and Chelsea had a massive wobble before Tuchel came in. This will probably not happen next year. The second place finish really is papering over the cracks. I'm willing to assume despite finishing second, our odds next season will be below that of Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Do you honestly think Ole, who plays two defensive mids against low block teams like Sheffield United and doesn't utilize his squad or make subs will suddenly improve so much that he will be able to guide us back up to the upper echelons of club football?

To me, Ole seems to have an idea of his strongest 11 and will 90% of the time just play them. He doesn't make tactical personnel changes that frustrate us in FPL. We have been relying on moments of magic and that's why when a top player like Bruno has an off day, it's quite likely we won't win that game.

Can't believe you think people actually want United to lose a final to say "I told you so"

Well said. 100% agreed.

 

[Godfather]

I mean it's such a pointless comparison that has been done so many times by the Ole apologists that it really doesn't deserve any other comment

 

[Godfather]

Not a fan of comments like these.

I'm not Ole in or Ole out. I just want what's best for United.

Of course more people will post here since the final considering how we lost a final to a team that's 7th in the Spanish league and the in-game management was non-existent.

Also, Ole is a manager who previous to the United job hadn't achieved anything in management and since joining, has been tactically inept at times so based on these two things, can you blame people for not believing in him?

Yes, we got second but if we didn't feck up against all the relegation fodder teams, it would have been an actual title challenge. Liverpool were missing 50% of their backline and Chelsea had a massive wobble before Tuchel came in. This will probably not happen next year. The second place finish really is papering over the cracks. I'm willing to assume despite finishing second, our odds next season will be below that of Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Do you honestly think Ole, who plays two defensive mids against low block teams like Sheffield United and doesn't utilize his squad or make subs will suddenly improve so much that he will be able to guide us back up to the upper echelons of club football?

To me, Ole seems to have an idea of his strongest 11 and will 90% of the time just play them. He doesn't make tactical personnel changes that frustrate us in FPL. We have been relying on moments of magic and that's why when a top player like Bruno has an off day, it's quite likely we won't win that game.

Can't believe you think people actually want United to lose a final to say "I told you so"

Very good post

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

Haven’t you missed one of Ole’s at Cardiff?

 

[NZT-One]

I think you may read my post wrong. I am not saying this is low standard, what I am trying to say is even if you think this is low standard no other managers manage to achieve that before Ole. I am still all Ole in and I don't think Poch or Rogers or even Tuchell can work with us and deliver the same result as Ole, our player is just not good enough mentally wise.

One of the reason I really like Ole is that 100% of the players he bought in is the low drama/ego & hard working type, which is the only way we can move forward. I only hope he's strong enough to bench or sell our underperforming player.

He didn't target or sign him. That was a board decision which was helped by Van der Sar. He really hasn't been backed. He wanted Sancho & a CB and got neither. He wanted Bruno in the summer, board said no and it wasn't until it was painfully obvious we needed a playmaker like him that they got him in the Jan window

If I take a long term perspective then I keep him for a year or three. Mainly because I want him to finish the clear out and rebuild our squad to a decent level. We’re still two or three years away until that’s completed. I don’t want defend his tactical skills but until we have two midfielders who can keep possession and dictate the tempo it’s hard to challenge for a PL or a CL title. McFred is very good without the ball but in possession they’re average, sometimes even worthless.

At this point, I think it is baffling, that people join the discussion spouting their thoughts as if they are gospel... You obviously are entitled to think that but these are majorly debatable and very subjective stances. Not half an inch better than the infamous "we will win nothing with Ole".

If Ole can start one season with an upgraded midfield then I think he has a good chance to challenge all the best teams.

Based on what? That is the key question of this whole discussion, where does this level of trust come from? Genuine question.

If we had spent £1b in the summer I can understand people lacking patience but when our best players are free transfers and the rest are back up it's hard to say we should be anywhere near any title with this squad

The issues this season were mostly not being able to score or create chances to score against inferior teams. I'd get your point if we would be where we are because we got all the results needed but having issues only in the biggest games of the season. Granted, we weren't great against the big six but we weren't that much worse than any of the other teams.

No one here suggests, that we only have to switch the manager, of course this new person would have to have some backing. It isn't either or.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Hopefully we can at least have a good transfer window. Good scouting and not having to spend far too much for the players we get.

What I fear is we spend big on one superstar and then get maybe 1 more cheap player in a position we barely need.

I think we need 1 star 80 M roughly.
1-2 potential starters or good players as well for maybe 40 M.
1-2 cheap backups that are still good players.

 

[el3mel]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

Not this again. The never ending comparison.

 

[Sarni]

Not a fan of comments like these.

I'm not Ole in or Ole out. I just want what's best for United.

Of course more people will post here since the final considering how we lost a final to a team that's 7th in the Spanish league and the in-game management was non-existent.

Also, Ole is a manager who previous to the United job hadn't achieved anything in management and since joining, has been tactically inept at times so based on these two things, can you blame people for not believing in him?

Yes, we got second but if we didn't feck up against all the relegation fodder teams, it would have been an actual title challenge. Liverpool were missing 50% of their backline and Chelsea had a massive wobble before Tuchel came in. This will probably not happen next year. The second place finish really is papering over the cracks. I'm willing to assume despite finishing second, our odds next season will be below that of Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Do you honestly think Ole, who plays two defensive mids against low block teams like Sheffield United and doesn't utilize his squad or make subs will suddenly improve so much that he will be able to guide us back up to the upper echelons of club football?

To me, Ole seems to have an idea of his strongest 11 and will 90% of the time just play them. He doesn't make tactical personnel changes that frustrate us in FPL. We have been relying on moments of magic and that's why when a top player like Bruno has an off day, it's quite likely we won't win that game.

Can't believe you think people actually want United to lose a final to say "I told you so"

I think Ole is a very talented manager, I disagree with ‘he achieved nothing’ as his record at Molde was in fact very good prior to his arrival. He did not get the chance to perform at the biggest stage but neither did Pep or Zidane before getting their jobs at the big two in Spain. Simeone was fired in Argentina the year before getting the job at Atletico and only managed Catania in Europe. You need to start somewhere and it won’t always be rosy from the get go. I disagree that in our current position and circumstances since Fergie left what we needed was a short term fix. We’ve tried that with Mourinho and LVG, two managers with incredible history and they both failed. We needed someone who could give the club a long term direction, make the players believe in themselves and bring back stability over the next 3-5 years rather than try and win back to everything immediately, that was never going to happen with this squad.

That’s why I am content with the direction of the team for the last three years. We’ve gone from not being able to get into to CL to a comfortable 2nd place finish, we hardly ever have games where we are outclassed or dominated (only really had the Spurs game early in the season this year where it would have been an accurate description). This is big progress to where we were 3 or 4 years ago. Don’t forget how utterly pointless we were in Mourinho’s last season.

My expectation over the next two years is for us to improve the squad, increase consistency of our performances, get better in Europe and start getting into last 8 or last 4 of CL while also running top teams in the league close. I’m not overly concerned over not winning EL or FA Cup for now as I think getting the team to be consistently competitive was more important.

The last two season were a bit similar to 2003-06 period under Fergie. You can see the team is starting to take some shape but lacks quality to push for the trophies, it is however good enough to consistently be up there and not really struggle to make it into top 3-4. Which is better than what we had at any time between 2013 and 2018 but ultimately not good enough for our ambitions.

If we are there in 1 or 2 years after much needed investments still just about scrapping top 4 and getting knocked out of Europe by teams around our level, I will agree we should get rid. The notion we should be showing Ole the door after this season is however a bit ridiculous.

 

[Desert Eagle]

I tried a few months ago to create a thread to focus the negativity in one place thinking it would address the concerns of those who keep complaining about " miserable, negative " posters. Someone even created a positive thread to balance it out but both got locked. Now I think I know why. The current " be positive " thread has 3 pages and judging by all the new threads popping up the negative thread might be the busiest one going. Anyways for all my fellow fans concerned about our future its completely understandable and for those who want to come here not read so much negativity I can emphasize with that too. The one thing I think will definitely help with the discussion is not saying stuff like glazer shills, want us to lose, spoiled fans etc.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Best post of the year.

It's not, but still enough for you to learn from instead of posting one liners.

 

[Giggsyking]

Oh ok. In that case we are the 2nd best team in England. Ole was a better manager this season than Klopp - would you agree with that then?

I would agree that he was 5 points better than the injury broken Klopp's team that had no backing. Ignoring the fact Klopp won the PL few months before that and the champions league a year before that.

 

[laughtersassassin]

"Spoiler" Alert - its not from me, its from a post I've seen on facebook.


Premier League first 3 years.

Klopp
Finished 8th (not a full season), 4th, 4th

Solskjaer
Finished 6th (not a full season), 3rd, 2nd

One more thing, Klopp lost 6 cup finals in a row – 2 at Dortmund and 4 at Liverpool.
Patience.

A complete false comparison imo. To compare Ole to Klopp is a joke

 

[anant]

I would agree that he was 5 points better than the injury broken Klopp's team that had no backing. Ignoring the fact Klopp won the PL few months before that and the champions league a year before that.

So, we suddenly decided to bring context here? All I'm hearing are excuses for Klopp now.

This is how you guys argue so just turning the tables around. A one -off game like the one City had or we had vs Villarreal or considering injury luck is quite important

 

[TheReligion]

Best post of the year.

Here he is. The Equilizer.. Caf Vigilante.. Peoples Champ.

The man they call the Casillero del Diablo of posters.

Legendary. When he posts we listen.