Why is it criminal?Comparing Rashford to Walcott is criminal. Expecting anyone to be the next Cristiano Ronaldo is at best naive, we are talking about an all time great.
Why is it criminal?
But it's ok to use the political stuff as a stick to beat him with on the football forum?On a Man Utd forum discussing his merits as a footballer, yes, yes it is.
There is not really that much in it.Rashford is a far better player. Walcott was a painfully average attacker that benefitted from the promises that he showed at a very young age but never brought to senior level.
In what way though? while his off-pitch activity is very commendable, football perspective-wise he hasn't done much than Theo Walcott. Both relly heavily on pace and extra space given to them to exploit. Walcott was a very decent goalscorer too, and unlike Rashford he wasnt really set up to be a goalscorer as he'd to accomodate genuine strikers in his team, like RvP. For me there hasnt really distinctive differential between these 2 yet, hence why I think Rashford need to up his game, like his decision making, passing and receiving the ball in the tight area, and why should not he? cause unlike walcott Rashford still has a time to do exactly that.
On second bolded part I think it's combination of injury and fatigue. Hed had long term injury in 19/20 in which he was supposed to be out for the rest of season then pandemic arrived and football got prolonged schedule up to August. Last season was marathon for players, they had to play every 2-3 days which made his condition even worse. This is why i think hes made very unwisely decision to go to EURO, and world cup in 2022 that would be 3 summers without proper rest for Rashford.
He's just so inconsistent, his life outside of football causes fans to have an irrational love for him. If he's been playing injured that's on him/manager but we can't assume it's that bad if he keeps playing through it. He'll have a few months a year where he's almost unplayable then a few months where all he does is dribble into an opponent. That's perfectly fine if he's *one* of our top players but if we're relying on him it explains why our form dips so often. As inconsistent as he is, he's still better than Martial and certainly deserves his place in the lineup.
An absolute average, one dimensional player who became a star for lack of proper competition at the club. Absolutely fantastic human being though but United is not a charity or an NGO. He either ups his game or should be shown the door. Mediocrity is becoming a culture at United.
Don’t particularly rate Martial either but the fact he’s used as a go-to example of a player Rashford is better than by comparison (when they decide comparing players is okay and when criticism of a United player suddenly doesn’t make someone a horrible human being) is a bit strange given Martial has a better goals per game record for us
Despite his poor stint with us, in his career at the same age Rashford is now Depay (another player mentioned above) was more prolific too and has continued to be so
Oh are we pretending Rashford is a midfielder now?
Apparently we are pretending 78/258 is a better goal per game ratio than 88/271 though?Oh are we pretending Rashford is a midfielder now?
Yes because it is. Not much in it but ironic given how much Martial is the go to whipping boy for those otherwise morally offended by criticism of a playerApparently we are pretending 78/258 is a better goal per game ratio than 88/271 though?
But it's ok to use the political stuff as a stick to beat him with on the football forum?
Ok, gotcha.
An absolute average, one dimensional player who became a star for lack of proper competition at the club. Absolutely fantastic human being though but United is not a charity or an NGO. He either ups his game or should be shown the door. Mediocrity is becoming a culture at United.
Right in your understanding then a left inverted forward is the same as a central striker - then that ability to make right decisions and make a pass shouldn’t also count as much isn’t it ?
You guys just make up shit to make him sound like he is worthless just as much as I make up shit to value him.
The guy is a forward in your eyes then let him act like it. Martial is 2 years older then him - you go and say that Martial is better than him then completely don’t look at the season that just passed where Rashford absolutely demolished Martial.
just made Up bullshit.
Anyway - doesn’t matter, Rashford isn’t going anywhere so I hope you lose a hour of your sleep from frustration
Yes because it is. Not much in it but ironic given how much Martial is the go to whipping boy for those otherwise morally offended by criticism of a player
Yes because it is. Not much in it but ironic given how much Martial is the go to whipping boy for those otherwise morally offended by criticism of a player
Rashford is not going anywhere.
i hope he continues to loss off these cretins for another decade.
these sort of people don’t get Man Utd, edit, don’t get football.
that’s not to say any player is beyond criticism, has elements of bad form, and can improve. Obviously.
I don’t understand why it’s always Martial vs Rashford, which transcends to completely OTT criticism of one of our best and most promising players.
And I think the vast majority of people have offered no more than perfectly reasonable criticism
And I think the vast majority of people have offered no more than perfectly reasonable criticism.
He has a lot of talent, he can play incredibly well and sometimes his finishing looks brilliant. He has moments of absolute top class play where you think "wow". He also loves the club and you feel as long as nothing goes fantastically wrong we have a player for his entire career.
However....At times he looks lost in a game. Consistency seems to desert him and yes, at times he does appear to strut round the pitch while underperforming. Its fine also to say he didn't have a great season. A player with his actual ability should be able to be absolutely top class and a team like Man Utd NEED absolutely top class forwards if we want to truly compete at the top again. Thats not controversial surely?
If you genuinely think that 78/258 is a better goals per game ratio than 88/271, then that explains a lot [spoiler - it isn’t].
Although Martial has a better return than Rashford in the Premiership (0.33 gpg to 0.31). Rashford makes up for it in the cups. It is definitely weird how little it takes for Martial to be absolutely slated compared to how much it would take for Rashford.
For what it’s worth, I expect that by next season or the one after it will become apparent that Rashford cannot be a 50 game per season striker for a club that is expected to win major trophies. Greenwood on the other hand will be just that.
Hard to do that when their last two braincells are fighting over whether or not Covid is a worldwide government conspiracy to stop them going to the pubSome of you lot think too much
Although Martial has a better return than Rashford in the Premiership (0.33 gpg to 0.31). Rashford makes up for it in the cups. It is definitely weird how little it takes for Martial to be absolutely slated compared to how much it would take for Rashford.
For what it’s worth, I expect that by next season or the one after it will become apparent that Rashford cannot be a 50 game per season striker for a club that is expected to win major trophies. Greenwood on the other hand will be just that.
Benefits of being English and local. Not that I think Rashford deserves to be slated for what it's worth.Although Martial has a better return than Rashford in the Premiership (0.33 gpg to 0.31). Rashford makes up for it in the cups. It is definitely weird how little it takes for Martial to be absolutely slated compared to how much it would take for Rashford.
For what it’s worth, I expect that by next season or the one after it will become apparent that Rashford cannot be a 50 game per season striker for a club that is expected to win major trophies. Greenwood on the other hand will be just that.
An absolute average, one dimensional player who became a star for lack of proper competition at the club. Absolutely fantastic human being though but United is not a charity or an NGO. He either ups his game or should be shown the door. Mediocrity is becoming a culture at United.
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Striker, weird people still use that to describe Rashford
Benefits of being English and local. Not that I think Rashford deserves to be slated for what it's worth.
The evidence is to the contrary though. I would argue that the Caf (or at least a portion of it) seems to take great delight in running down players who are English and homegrown. It’s a bizarre trait. There is no way this thread would have been written about Martial if he’d contributed 36 GAs this season.Benefits of being English and local. Not that I think Rashford deserves to be slated for what it's worth.
I think both are true for different factions of the fan base, but with that said, I think the criticisms of certain foreign players are much more personal and vitriolic. The character assassinations I see for Pogba and Martial in particular are plastered in every thread you go into on this forum, usually unprovoked. Foreign players, particularly, of African heritage are routinely referred to as lazy, arrogant and thick, and whilst I don't think all of the people saying these things are prejudiced, I can't help but think that if they weren't black and French, people wouldn't buy into it as easily.The evidence is to the contrary though. I would argue that the Caf (or at least a portion of it) seems to take great delight in running down players who are English and homegrown. It’s a bizarre trait. There is no way this thread would have been written about Martial if he’d contributed 36 GAs this season.