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Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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Jordan_mufc said:
Excuse my ignorance on this matter but hopefully someone can clear this up for me.

What's the point in submitting a bid that we know (or are pretty sure) is going to get rejected? Is it just to test the waters or is there another meaning for it?
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I suppose submitted and rejected bids form the context for continued negotiations in terms of the amounts involved, the structure of the deal and the nature of the negotiations. Imagine Dortmund want 95m straight for Sancho. The negotiations following a rejected bid of 75m + 5m in add ons would be materially different to the negotiations following a rejected bid of 50m + 30m, let alone bids of 85m+5m, 40m+20m, etc.

Plus you don't actually know what the other side will ultimately accept. All you know is that it's probably less than what they're initially asking for.
 

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choccy77 said:
I'm still somewhat suspicious that no other club in the last 2 years has made any move for Sancho.

Given Uniteds track record of buying players, i hope this doesn't end up another expensive bust.
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And realistically how many clubs can afford to spend close to £100 million on a player ? 5-6 clubs in the world - and if Sancho has said he wants to go back to the UK, how many are left ? Maybe 3-4. Do City really need him, and would Sancho wish to go back to City ? Probably not. How about Chelsea ? Maybe - but is a winger what Chelsea needs the most ? Probably not. Liverpool - they dont have £100 million to spend on a player - so in order to sign him, they need to sell either Firmino, Salah or Mane - and how many would spend big on players turning 29 or 30 this year ?

There aren't that many options
 

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RedRonaldo said:
Well it’s more about club tradition. 7 used to be a meaningful number given to the best and most iconic player of the club. It’s not a must, but would be great to have finally “pass the torch” to a worthy successor. It’s more of a symbolic thing which is meaningful to the club’s tradition, the good old days, golden era from the club history, back from Busby era (Best) to Fergie’s era (Robson, Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo)
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It has been done to death, but this phenomenon is really relatively recent one. When Best was playing, the players didn't have fixed shirt numbers. Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
 

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Money isn't the real big issue here as United can afford it. The main issue is whether Sancho can perform well or not.
 

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Lj82 said:
It has been done to death, but this phenomenon is really relatively recent one. When Best was playing, the players didn't have fixed shirt numbers. Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
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Ok maybe we can count Best out from the list, but its still significant number nonetheless wore by Robson, Cantona, Beckham and Ronaldo (across span of 25+ years). Least to say It was the most significance number during Fergie era.
 

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Lj82 said:
It has been done to death, but this phenomenon is really relatively recent one. When Best was playing, the players didn't have fixed shirt numbers. Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
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Random Internet quote supports you... "in 246 of Best’s Manchester United games – more than half – he wore number 11"... "In a total of 141 games, he was number 7"
 

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Lj82 said:
Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
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That would be more.

Best's most common number was 11, not 7.

He also played a fair amount of matches with 8 and 10.

And even 9 (but that was just one match, I think).
 

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Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but in the MEN article, they state City have a 15% sell on fee. If the fee is circa £80m, they'll pocket around £12m from this deal.
 

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Lj82 said:
It has been done to death, but this phenomenon is really relatively recent one. When Best was playing, the players didn't have fixed shirt numbers. Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
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Teams issued numbers by positions on the pitch in the 60's - the '11' indicative of wide left, and the '7' wide right. Best played both flanks equally well and featured on both as and when required. I have a more iconic imagery of him with the 11 on his back than the 7, but the split wouldn't be far off 50% I would think, so others could easily have an iconic imagery of him with the 7.

I don't know in what year numbers stopped being representative of positions on a pitch, but you can bet if Best had been born in a more modern era, he'd have been issued one or the other number permanently and made it the most legendary associated with United.
 

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Who would have thought towards the end of this saga, we'd be comparing Sancho to some poo. And in a good way.
 

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choccy77 said:
I'm still somewhat suspicious that no other club in the last 2 years has made any move for Sancho.

Given Uniteds track record of buying players, i hope this doesn't end up another expensive bust.
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Easy answer that.

- Chelsea are stocked with players in his positions
- Liverpool cant afford him
- City have Guardiola and i think there's a badblood between them
- Barca are broke
- Madrid eyeing another expensive targets (Mbappe & Halaand)

To tell you the truth the price Dortmund set for Sancho can only be meet by selective rich clubs like United, if we waited for another year i can see clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool coming in too.
 

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choccy77 said:
I'm still somewhat suspicious that no other club in the last 2 years has made any move for Sancho.

Given Uniteds track record of buying players, i hope this doesn't end up another expensive bust.
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It could be that Sancho has preferred and pushed a move to United, which was also in the cards before he moved to Dortmund. It was only city who blocked the move at the time. He has also expressed a desire to return to England, which takes out Madrid, Barca etc. While I am skeptical and cynical when it comes to United post-Fergie, we may have had a stroke of luck when it comes to Sancho.
 

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krentz said:
Easy answer that.

- Chelsea are stocked with players in his positions
- Liverpool cant afford him
- City have Guardiola and i think there's a badblood between them
- Barca are broke
- Madrid eyeing another expensive targets (Mbappe & Halaand)

To tell you the truth the price Dortmund set for Sancho can only be meet by selective rich clubs like United, if we waited for another year i can see clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool coming in too.
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Pretty much also Sancho seems only to want United.
 

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RedRonaldo said:
Well it’s more about club tradition. 7 used to be a meaningful number given to the best and most iconic player of the club. It’s not a must, but would be great to have finally “pass the torch” to a worthy successor. It’s more of a symbolic thing which is meaningful to the club’s tradition, the good old days, golden era from the club history, back from Busby era (Best) to Fergie’s era (Robson, Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo)
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Michael fecking Owen wore number 7 for us.

The mystique ended then.
 

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Klopp also wanted him when he left City. He asked the Liverpool board if they could get Sancho. The reply was English clubs don’t sell to their domestic rivals apart from Spurs.
 

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Giggsy13 said:
It could be that Sancho has preferred and pushed a move to United, which was also in the cards before he moved to Dortmund. It was only city who blocked the move at the time. He has also expressed a desire to return to England, which takes out Madrid, Barca etc. While I am skeptical and cynical when it comes to United post-Fergie, we may have had a stroke of luck when it comes to Sancho.
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Not sure how much luck is involved. We have been at this for two summers now. It shows the player that we really, really want him. That will only be good for the player's trust in the manager and his own confidence.
 

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I don't give a rats ass what number he is given as long as he does the business on the field next season.
 

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Lj82 said:
It has been done to death, but this phenomenon is really relatively recent one. When Best was playing, the players didn't have fixed shirt numbers. Pretty sure someone dug up some facts that Best played as much as number 11 as number 7, if not more.
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As Wikipedia points out...

Best played at United when shirt numbers were assigned to positions, and not the player. When Best played at right wing, as he famously did during the later stages of the 1966 and 1968 European Cups, he donned the number 7. As a left winger, where he played exclusively in his debut season and nearly all of the 1971–72 campaign, he wore the number 11. Best wore the number 8 shirt at inside right on occasion throughout the 1960s, but for more than half of his matches during 1970–71. He was playing at inside left (wearing the number 10) in 1972 when he famously walked out on United the first time but was back in the number 11 for the autumn of 1973 before leaving for good. Best even wore the number 9 jersey once for United, with Bobby Charlton injured
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The "legend" of number 7 really comes from the run of Cantona handing it onto Beckham handing it on to Ronaldo. The fact that Robson and Best wore it previously among many others wasn't relevant as it wasn't really a number of note.
 
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