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Fair enough.I get your point. I just don’t agree on good taker always being a good taker. I still think Southgate overcoached with those subs.
Fair enough.I get your point. I just don’t agree on good taker always being a good taker. I still think Southgate overcoached with those subs.
I think what's bothering me is why Henderson was desperate to take a pen just before the tournament yet tonight he would sooner but a subbed sub than volunteer to step up. Sterling is another one.Why does this matter… it’s the same? Experience player shuns it because they don’t feel it….until truly has too, Rio-Vidic-Evra didn’t take too but Stones-Walker-Shaw are getting named by some(no one in particular) that they should of stepped up ahead of Saka… why?
I’d go with confidence over not confident experience any day…
They have a good taking record in their careers. I'm willing to better they are 2 of the best takers in the entire squad in training. I see not a single good reason to fault the manager for bringing them on.I think that's correct if you're talking about bringing on a specialist penalty taker but totally different when you're not. Neither Rashford or Sancho are specialists or regular takers.
I didn’t say this or infer this, I’ve literally been complimentary of the guys penalty but it’s never enough cause you’re a dog with a hard-on when you see my posts.If Harry Maguire is our second best penalty taker then that's the reason why we lost!
If he'd of brought them on sooner yes. There was a right load of messing about and in the end they snuck on with seconds left.They have a good taking record in their careers. I'm willing to better they are 2 of the best takers in the entire squad in training. I see not a single good reason to fault the manager for bringing them on.
Drogba was speaking about the shootout in Munich and Robbie asked him to go 3rd and he said no 1st or 5th. His reasoning was they were the two big pressure penalties as the former sets the tempo and the latter needs no explanation.So conceivably, England would have lost without scoring a penalty, with the press than revealing than Maguire and Kane were 4th and 5th? Some master plan.
Why you trying to insult me? You're so uptight and defensive all the time. I've just agreed with you about the order but in my opinion that wasn't the main reason why it went wrong as I've explained.I didn’t say this or infer this, I’ve literally been complimentary of the guys penalty but it’s never enough cause you’re a dog with a hard-on when you see my posts.
I’m all for debates in good faith but if you honestly believe I’m blaming Maguire for the loss because he took the second penalty then I’m not here to dissuade you as your far more of a cretin than I’d first feared.
Everyone is different but I'm not sure you want to be mentally fresh before taking a big penalty. Playing significant minutes earlier should put your mind in a more prepared state for that moment imoI honestly see no good reason why it should be hard. Mentally you'd be the freshest players on the pitch if you were subbed in just for a shoot out. Frankly the only good reason for you to then go on and miss is succumbing to pressure late on in the first 5 penalties. Which is pretty much what happened to Sancho and Rashford.
I think he'd obviously made it clear he had no desire to take a pen.. despite wanting to take one a few weeks ago and grabbing the ball from DCL!I also think folks are being very unfair to Henderson. I don't believe he demanded a substitution.
shut up manWrong forum mate.
None of the racists will be United fans, as we eradicated that issue some time back - try a Chelsea forum.
Rashford 13/15Sterling absolutely should have taken one.
Saka taking the last pen was suicide.
Yep. You've got no racist fans mate.Wrong forum mate.
None of the racists will be United fans, as we eradicated that issue some time back - try a Chelsea forum.
Where does the Sterling hiding theory come from ? Southgate said he picked the takers ! Did Sterling & Grealish say no to Southgate ?They really fecked it with the penalty takers. Sterling hiding, Henderson hooked with 2 minutes to go? No Grealish either. These are experienced players
There’s absolutely no way that story is true. Maguire taking the 2nd pen? The whole thing was just chaotic. Saka taking a must score pen? Madness. Adapt your plan.Where does the Sterling hiding theory come from ? Southgate said he picked the takers ! Did Sterling & Grealish say no to Southgate ?
Zaza in Euro 2016 comes to mind immediatelyEveryone is different but I'm not sure you want to be mentally fresh before taking a big penalty. Playing significant minutes earlier should put your mind in a more prepared state for that moment imo
I have no stats to back it up but from my time watching football it seems like this always happens with players that come off the bench only to take a penalty. Rodri did it in the semifinals too for example. I'm sure that the conversion rate in those circumstances is lower than normal
They will have practised during training with Kane being the best, Maguire the second best, etc.There’s absolutely no way that story is true. Maguire taking the 2nd pen? The whole thing was just chaotic. Saka taking a must score pen? Madness. Adapt your plan.
True, but I think it's reasonably well known at this point that psychology is a very large determining factor and a lot of people have higher success rates in training that may not correlate with results in a match situation. It probably should not be as simple as whichever 5 guys hit the back of the net the most often in training during the week.They will have practised during training with Kane being the best, Maguire the second best, etc.
If Saka was the fifth best, that's presumably why he went when he did.
Southgate could have perhaps swapped Saka around for the player who was sixth best. But that would have meant picking an inferior penalty taker whilst simultaneously knocking Saka's self-belief for the next round of kicks.
In a historic first final in 55 years. Unbelievable. Lack of leadership and accountability. Can't think of any other team that would've bottled it that hard. Henderson, Grealish, Rice, Sterling, Walker - any one of them could've stepped up to take that pen. Henderson especially, captain fantastic for Liverpool, asked to get subbed off with his tail between his legs afraid to take a pen.Rashford is understandle as he's got a track record of taking them for us, and clutch ones as well.
The other 2...especially Saka...I just can't fathom how more senior and experienced members haven't stepped up to take the all important last 2 penalties. Those are the ones with the most pressure attached to them as well. I dont care how well those 2 have been in training - you simply do not gamble like that. Even Rice has had experience taking them for West Ham. But Saka?!!!
To be fair to Henderson, after the whole penalty fiasco when Southgate criticised him for taking a penalty despite not being the assigned taker, I'd say that whole episode played a part in him not allowed to take it.In a historic first final in 55 years. Unbelievable. Lack of leadership and accountability. Can't think of any other team that would've bottled it that hard. Henderson, Grealish, Rice, Sterling, Walker - any one of them could've stepped up to take that pen. Henderson especially, captain fantastic for Liverpool, asked to get subbed off with his tail between his legs afraid to take a pen.
He must be lying, those penalties didn't look like there was any thought or training behind them. He also should know better about the order, a lot of people argue the best takers must go first but at the very least you should leave an experienced player who can handle the pressure to take the fifth, or better yet not have the team play for the damn penalties...Tweet
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Saka must be a hell of a pen taker in training
I agree. Saka has never taken a penalty before even for Arsenal. If he volunteered then he is very naive. The whole mess falls on Southgate's shoulders, he showed lack.of leaderdhip at the crucial hour.The Saka one boggles my mind. I'm really curious if he himself actually stepped up or nobody else wanted to.
Rashford isn't exactly inexperienced he has taken penalties in pressure situations before and while I think he is a very hit and miss penalty taker the issue was he barely kicked a ball up until that point.