They already have been by ex drivers, current drivers, many others, I will take their opinions over yours , all day every dayYou perceive my arguments to be dishonest because you don’t agree with them. Simple.
If my arguments are wrong then it shouldn’t be that hard to debunk them.
Agreed. The RB response has been terrible. The only positive from them is that their social media team condemned racism. Would've been more powerful coming from "I don't take the knee" Max.This thread went about as expected. For me it's a racing incident as a result of both drivers pushing the limits. In those situations sometimes things go slightly wrong and crashes happen.
It's really sad to see all the racist abuse as a result, and how RB have handled this whole thing.
I agree component penalties should be waived after crashes.I'm no fan of Hamilton - but this is F1 - shit like this happens all the time. Nothing can be changed, time to move on. Hamilton was at fault, unintentional and not an egregious error. You can't just DQ him for that move.
Agree with someone else's suggestion that Mercedes should be paying for damage, and any component penalties should be waived.
If that had happened, or even serious injury, I would want technical analysis of what can be done to prevent that happening to all drivers in the future. I'd want that added to the technical spec of all cars ASAP. Similar to the halo and all F1 safety developments in fact.Would you be saying the same things if Max had died?
It's nothing to do with him being the only black driver, honest. Or to do with the UK media coverage on him. They are doing a "Sterling" job, all over again.Jesus wept half the people in the UK hate Hamilton as much as the people outside of it
Fair points.This argument is getting quite boring. It basically comes down to these viewpoints, bare with me.
1. Was it intentional? You’d have to be mental to actually want to create contact at that point. For both your own race and your opponents. Hamilton has never really shown anything in his career to suggest he’s a malicious driver. If you have this viewpoint, I’d understand why you are annoyed, but I don’t even think Horner thinks it was “intentional”.
2. Hamilton made a mistake and was at fault. It’s what the stewards judged predominately. It’s why he got the penalty, however, they judged that he wasn’t solely to blame, hence no stop and go. If you have this viewpoint it’s time to move on. If this happened in the midfield it would barely have been discussed after the race. We also have plenty of other examples of title rivals crashing into each other. It happens. Forfeiting points, being banned from the next race is so extreme, I don’t even remember the last time this happened.
3. Racing incident. We all want to see overtaking, this will lead to high risk, contact and crashes. Also noting that Max has completed lots of overtakes previously where the opponent has little choice but pull out. Right or wrong, that is undeniable. It’s also pointed out that a more experienced driver would have let Hamilton go (with a 35 point lead) and over taken with the faster car later in the race.
What I’m saying is that unless you have viewpoint 1, which most sane fans don’t, it’s time to move on. Even if Lewis was at fault, you can’t criticise him for the 10 second penalty. He could only race how it was presented to him.
This is the first season where Max finally has equipment to challenge Lewis and he’s been schooling him all season. Why would I be bitter about that?Your bitterness chart must be through the roof after the last race
Must be tough for you.
You keep, purposely, ommitting things. When a driver is alongside but behind the lead driver must still give space. Max doesn't do this as shown CLEARLY in the images I posted that you ignored.
You mean Santi?Who's that drama queen who was banned from here for these kinds of over reactions? Wasn't he Spanish too, and didn't he also hate Hamilton?
I smell a repeat
Great picturesThe top left image is what had me wondering why Hamilton was to blame. Kept hearing he was never alongside but he certainly was. Then we heard he missed the apex and max gave him room. Top right was just before impact. He's online for the apex by looks of it and is being squeezed. He's no longer online after impact.
Santi, he is way better than some in this thread !Who's that drama queen who was banned from here for these kinds of over reactions? Wasn't he Spanish too, and didn't he also hate Hamilton?
I smell a repeat
Leclerc locked up didn't he? Impossible to compare lines because of that. Anyhow, the top right image shows Hamilton able to make the apex and max squeezing him in an attempt to make the same apex.Great pictures
Now compare the top right picture to his overtake on Leclerc. You’ll quickly find that Leclerc took the same line as Max and it was Hamilton who was properly on the inside instead of drifting wide.
The idea that Hamilton is being squeezed is laughable. Verstappen isn’t going to not turn into the corner just because Hamilton is alongside.
He would have been a blast. Ferrari almost back in the mix and I bet he likes both drivers. He wasn't too fond of vettelSanti, he was a saint compared to some in this thread !
I was thinking he would have loved this past few days.
to be fair, he was a bit mad when he got banned and it was not only stuff in F1 threadSanti would be raging about Hamilton not having been given a harsher penalty and screwing Leclerc
Agree though - his ban was harsh and he's no worse than others.
Yeah he did it a few times in the F1 thread also, no place for that in here.The problem with santi was he also had a tendency to be a bit racist when he lost his rag in the football forums that got deleted
I lost count of the amount of PMs we sent him to have a chat that he never once replied to, he was given more chances than a lot of people
he was mad
It’s a shame really because I liked him in many waysYeah he did it a few times in the F1 thread also, no place for that in here.
I think you may need to reword that, it looks a bit weird if you acknowledge that he made racist remarks and then call him a saint compared to others in here (unless I've missed some truly horrific posts that have now been deleted).Santi, he was a saint compared to some in this thread !
I was thinking he would have loved this past few days.
No I dont mean that , he was right banned for them.I think you may need to reword that, it looks a bit weird if you acknowledge that he made racist remarks and then call him a saint compared to others in here (unless I've missed some truly horrific posts that have now been deleted).
think that has stopped now.I can't believe people are still arguing about this five days after the race.
Hopefully.think that has stopped now.
Santi was an absolute choreSanti, he is way better than some in this thread !
I was thinking he would have loved this past few days.
Anyone who has read this thread know your stance on racism so you don't need to worry about that, although I don't know if your edit is much of an improvement to be honest.No I dont mean that , he was right banned for them.
In the F1 thread he was very passionate and it got the better of him.
But yeah I see your point, my post was badly worded.
No I detest Racism in any form and dont accept it.
Edited my post, Sorry If I caused any offence to anybody .
Leclerc didn't lock up, he just ran wide on exit.Leclerc locked up didn't he? Impossible to compare lines because of that. Anyhow, the top right image shows Hamilton able to make the apex and max squeezing him in an attempt to make the same apex.
3? FIA make dodgy calls all the time as many past drivers are saying. Anyhow, never going to agree on this one. Enjoy the next race.Leclerc didn't lock up, he just ran wide on exit.
Verstappen did not squeeze anyone. He's not going to not turn into a corner just because Hamilton has stuck his nose down the inside. It requires some serious entitlement to think that way. Verstappen turned into the corner and left approximately 3 car widths of room down the inside. Hamilton ran wide and hit Verstappen. That's pretty much exactly what FIA's verdict says.
That is disgraceful though. It's also a very objective thing. Blisters on your hands = good enough. Anything less = disgrace.Some people have legit insane opinions about Hamilton. A guy at work was moaning about him saying he’s a disgrace……because he didn’t think he clapped hard enough during the NHS appreciation applause before the race.
Hamilton 10 second penalty for lack of enthusiasm for clapping.That is disgraceful though. It's also a very objective thing. Blisters on your hands = good enough. Anything less = disgrace.
Simple. (Yes, this sarcastic.)
I've heard the most about his "tax dodging" in Monaco. Which is funny because that applies to nearly all the drivers, but Hamilton gets the most criticism for it.Some people have legit insane opinions about Hamilton. A guy at work was moaning about him saying he’s a disgrace……because he didn’t think he clapped hard enough during the NHS appreciation applause before the race.
They should have made him clap during the penalty. 2 birds.Hamilton 10 second penalty for lack of enthusiasm for clapping.
Sounds like a Red Bull protest to a tee to be honest.Hamilton 10 second penalty for lack of enthusiasm for clapping.
2 not 3, that was a typo.3? FIA make dodgy calls all the time as many past drivers are saying. Anyhow, never going to agree on this one. Enjoy the next race.
Hungary has been a Merc track for a while now 13 wins there, Lewis the last 3.2 not 3, that was a typo.
Hungary should be a good race. As long as the damaged Honda engine holds and Hamilton doesn’t try any questionable driving tactics, I reckon that Max should be in a great position for victory.