So sacking Wenger was a great idea?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Just bizarre. Sir Alex has a history of struggling to differentiate between good assistants and good managers, but I really don’t get it…what has Arteta done to deserve so much trust after so much contrary evidence?!
The guy has had two consecutive 8th place finishes and has just endured a horror start to the season what could be gained from allowing him to steady the ship after the international break? There is absolutely nothing that justifies a reason to keep him beyond Monday imo.
Keeping him beyond this upcoming international break is just delaying the inevitable and will be costly because wins against Norwich and Burnley won't do much for them. A few weeks later they will be the league' s punching bag. Better to get the new man in and try to salvage something whilst there is still time.
True, but what new information did you get in the last 2 GWs that you didn't have already?
Ideally he should have been sacked last December or end of last season. But right now, if you've backed him in the summer, then atleast dont sack him after losses to Chelsea and City
His shitty signings like Odegaard and White should be enough to get him the sack. But this start to the season should absolutely be the final nail in his coffin.
Its the manner of the losses not the losses themselves that make sacking him imperative, I enjoy seeing them in the mud like this but I think, for them, it's got to the point where they have to stop the bleeding and get some positivity back. This particular international break offers such an opportunity otherwise he will flatter to deceive with a couple of wins then go on another season demaging run soon after. Its about stopping the spiral of negativity and getting the club back on a positive setting before January.
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The match was done before it started.
Also, find it hilarious no one's been bothered to start a thread this season for them because they're that irrelevant.
The match was done before it started.
Also, find it hilarious no one's been bothered to start a thread this season for them because they're that irrelevant.
They're friends first. What the feck do you expect him to say IN PUBLIC??? You can't be that naïve to think that Pep is gonna slate his friend, in front the media, in front of the world after his team just humiliated his friend's team 5-0.
Really? You think they're both bad?
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What a shambolic day for him!
I'm not disagreeing whether he should be sacked or not. I'm just saying logically, it makes little sense to sack him this early in the season especially as 1. they've invested quite a bit on his players and 2. these games were writeoffs anyway and all the information that Arsenal board would be having about making a decision was present in May as well
Wenger overstayed his welcome from a footballing perspective, however their problems lie deeper than just the coach/manager. It's the overall leadership, recruitment and running of the club from the top. We're underestimating how autocratic Wenger's reign was. There was little LEADERSHIP continuity planning because he oversaw almost every aspect of the club. Added to that, they have owners who really couldn't care less what happens.
Sounds like he might need a new job soon. Maybe it's time to buy Gazidis another expensive watch. The weird little creep.
Yep, the fact Tierney and Saka have committed to them despite the state they're in is testament to that.
If they start recruiting wisely they will be able to attract good players (and a decent/top coach) to rebuild.
I don't think either are going to do a whole lot for them, no. Their signings have been pretty awful for years now in all honesty.
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If the next manager relegates them does that vindicate Arteta?
Less shit is still shit.
Cause he worked with Pep and dresses like him. That’s literally it. He was overhyped from the beginning by everyone and now everyone can see how he alienates the squad and isn’t a good man manager. I still struggle to see a philosophy from Arsenal. I mean with Ole, even with a shit team when he took over, you could see how he wanted to play within a few months.
Wenger was by no means shit?
I don't expect him to slate him, but to shamelessly lie about it is ridiculous. Nobody is buying that bullshit.
I'm obviously referring to the late version in isolation.
There was a reason opposition fans were chanting that they wanted him to say.
The big mistake seems to be not backing and sacking Unai Emery. Arsenal have needed a big clear out of players for years but they've given the job to someone who is just very shite a real life football manager.
The real mistake is to hire this guy when they could have hired a more experienced manager. I bet even rafa Benitez would do a much better job than him.
What's he going to do in that situation? It wasn't exactly unprompted, he was asked a direct question. A little dramatic in his response but if he's a friend what else can he say and retain his friendship - Arteta doesn't know his arse from his elbow made terrible signings?
The fact is its been established that he isn't good enough so keeing him for a few more months won't change anything and their club is engulfed in a spiral of negativity so there is really no point in delaying executing a decision you know you are going to have to make a couple of months down the line. Keeping him around is pointless because he ain't coming back from this, bring a new guy in and try to salvage the season whilst there is still time.
learnt a few things from baldy then...
Tbf Benitez is an excellent coach.
Will get sacked soon. I arsenal want to make progress, get Conte in. That will sort out alot of the crap.
Firstly, I'm not an Arsenal fan. Secondly, my point is whoever is the one taking the decision, they might as well give him a month more to see how his new signings perform. Unlikely he'd be a success and it's delaying the inevitable, but from an image perspective (which is required if you want a reputed manager next), you dont want to come across as clueless and stupid. In the last 3 weeks, the board has learnt absolutely nothing apart from the fact that he's shit - something they've known for the past 8 months. So, why give 130m to a shit manager only to sack him 3 games into the season!
Edit: Not saying he shouldn't be sacked, but Arsenal board (or for that matter any board) wont pull the trigger this early
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Yes and he was available.
Why wouldn't he? Arteta is a guaranteed 6 points a season for Pep.
They are well worse than what Utd were.
Arsenal fans deserve everything they get after they hounded Arsene out.
I don't feel sorry for them one bit.
Not very good is he. Seems clueless on and off the pitch to be honest. He’s cleared out a lot of deadwood that held Arsenal back only to spend a fortune on players who are even worse the squad is absolutely crap.
I still can’t get my head around this summers budget, they’ve had close to 150m and come to the conclusion that White, Ramsdale and Laconga are the guys to take them forward it’s shocking.
In what world are Arsenal in a position to spend 25m on a sub keeper?
I still can’t get my head around this summers budget, they’ve had close to 150m and come to the conclusion that White, Ramsdale and Laconga are the guys to take them forward it’s shocking.
In what world are Arsenal in a position to spend 25m on a sub keeper?
So the solution is to bring Wenger back? Wenger was basically their SAF. I wonder if Arsenal regrets caving into the fans' demand and sack Wenger. They should just admit they made a mistake and ask him to come back. Also that Arsenal FansTV channel is toxic and they should shut it down.
Except Pep can ship that player out and buy who ever he wants. Arteta can’t.
How many talented players has he alienated/let go, while holding onto and buying dross?
It starts with Ozil, but he also had a fight with Aubameyang I think. Bought the great Willian.
Then Saliba, Toreira and Guendouzi, while throwing money at Xhaka, one of the worst CMs in the league.
It's not like they started with a great defence, but they've spent big to not improve that either.
Martinez for Leno and then Ramsdale
Playing Holding, Kalasinac, Xhaka, Chambers, Soares... So bad it could be a money laundering front.
He's so unimpressive on all fronts. Even on days when Ole gets clearly out-coached, you can compare this with the squad he inherited and see the improvements. Arteta has zero redeeming features.
It starts with Ozil, but he also had a fight with Aubameyang I think. Bought the great Willian.
Then Saliba, Toreira and Guendouzi, while throwing money at Xhaka, one of the worst CMs in the league.
It's not like they started with a great defence, but they've spent big to not improve that either.
Martinez for Leno and then Ramsdale
Playing Holding, Kalasinac, Xhaka, Chambers, Soares... So bad it could be a money laundering front.
He's so unimpressive on all fronts. Even on days when Ole gets clearly out-coached, you can compare this with the squad he inherited and see the improvements. Arteta has zero redeeming features.
Their transfers are shocking. I refuse to believe these transfers are made by a human doing his job or acting in the interest of the club.
They're getting relegated.
They're getting relegated.
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You're still not answering the question. What do you expect him to say? You should be watching football long enough to know that managers don't berate each other in the media. Yes, they may have a bit of back and forth in terms of what happened during a game but for another manager to explicitly criticize another in this context is unheard of.
Exactly my thoughts.
Also agree with Pep, Arsenal should stick with Arteta he’s a great manager.
