Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Solius]

-- says in a previous comment " But if Ronaldo wins the PL or CL with us, then Ronaldo would be the clear better and more accomplished player, save for Messi winning the WC. Nothing he can do with PSG is going to impress, even the CL," probably one of the most absurd comments of all time in this thread & that tells a lot, and when shown Ronaldo's CL failures at Juve, remembers football is a team game, CL is a knockout competition and even the best may not win the CL)) the level of hypocrisy..

-- All of a sudden Juve becomes "a crippling team" after their regular failures with Ronaldo) You can continue creating an alternative history in your parallel universe looking down on Juve that already won 7 Serie A titles and played 2 CL finals in 4 years prior to his arrival, and, yes, with that "Dybala"..

-- What does Conte have to do with this?? It was Allegri, the current Juve manager, that took them to two CL finals in 2015 & 2017 and brought them 5 Serie A titles in his 5-year stint there.. what are you smoking?

-- While you're at it, also tell us why he wanted to go to Juve in a one-team Serie A and not to PL (to United or others) at that time or stay in La Liga to improve his poor league record, for the challenge, yeah right)) It took Ronaldo "9 years" to get two league titles in La Liga while it took him just two years to get the same number in Serie A..so much challenge)

-- Talks like it was a well organized move.. your hero literally had to escape from Juve the moment things got more challenging at Juve, a coward move lacking class & professionalism by all accounts of Juve fans saying he should at least move earlier so that they could look for a proper replacement.. And why last minute? Because that was the only time he finally managed to get some concrete interest after months of being on the market & desperation after Kane's signing failure with City) I prefer to listen to Juve fans and credible reports than a random poster on a United forum that thinks winning a CL with PSG is nothing in one place and says even the best may not win the CL as it is a knock-out tournament in another)

-- completely ignores that United is easily a top 3-side in the Premier League and a top 4-5 side in CL, and way better than current Juve by any measure..and calls this desperate last-minute move a well-planned challenge again)

-- ignores as usual that Messi is coming to a team that has not won a single CL and played only a single final in its history in the CL let alone winning it and only won 3 league titles in 5 years versus Juve that won 7 times in a row and played 2 finals in the previous 4 years before Ronaldo's arrival..

-- conveniently ignores just like many other Ronaldo fans the fact that Ronaldo played under some of the legends of the managerial world, SAF, Mourinho, Allegri, and Ancelotti, all serial winners, and just decides to remember the standard notion in the football world that "managers matter a lot" when Messi starts playing under Pochettino (who is not comparable to any of those top managers Ronaldo worked with btw)..mind-blown as usual by the level of hypocrisy..

-- says that Real was a bubble team completely ignoring that Real won 3-CLs between 1998 and 2002)).. Tell that bubble story to Zidane, Raul, Roberto Carlos etc. & Real fans.. I am sure they will find it fascinating))

Imagine caring this much.

 

[Cal?]

Not ‘the Messi brigade’ but you don’t have to cry just because he wins every poll. It’s because he’s objectively a better player. Sorry.

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s nothing objective to claiming he’s a better player.

Since the start of Messi’s career in 2016, Ronaldo has received more votes than Messi in Ballon D’or voting in more years than vice versa.

 

[OleBoiii]

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

Stop the count!!!

 

[tenpoless]

it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

I'm not interested in the poll and the debate compared to this. I wonder who did it.

 

[Gehrman]

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s nothing objective to claiming he’s a better player.

Since the start of Messi’s career in 2016, Ronaldo has received more votes than Messi in Ballon D’or voting in more years than vice versa.

Messi's career didnt start in 2016.

 

[NasirTimothy]

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s nothing objective to claiming he’s a better player.

Since the start of Messi’s career in 2016, Ronaldo has received more votes than Messi in Ballon D’or voting in more years than vice versa.

Sounding mighty Trumpian here. My guy didn’t win so it’s rigged. Let’s just ignore all the other polls including the one on the website that is actually dedicated to comparing the two. They’re all rigged.

Then you start talking about the Ballon D’Or. An award that Messi has won more times than Ronaldo. I mean, you couldn’t make it up

 

[TheLiverBird]

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s nothing objective to claiming he’s a better player.

Since the start of Messi’s career in 2016, Ronaldo has received more votes than Messi in Ballon D’or voting in more years than vice versa.

What a baby

Got evidential facts to back that up??

 

[Idxomer]

I'm not interested in the poll and the debate compared to this. I wonder who did it.

What I remember is it was rigged to make Ronaldo level with Messi, the latter was well ahead before that.

 

[Wolf1992]

How is going to Man Utd, 2nd best team in EPL, a great challenge?
Challenge would be going to Everton or Tottenham.

Ronaldo has always played for the best teams in every league he has been, first at Man Utd, then Real Madrid, next Juventus, and now Man Utd again(2nd best team in England right now).

The only real challenge he has faced is playing with Portugal at World Cups, since Portugal has always been very underwhelming in that event (bar 1966 and 2006)...and he failed to deliver when it matters.
When it comes to national team, yes, he has faced a greater challenge than Messi because clearly Argentina always had a better reputation as national team than Portugal.

But at aclub level : Messi > Ronaldo

 

[NasirTimothy]

How is going to Man Utd, 2nd best team in EPL, a great challenge?
Challenge would be going to Everton or Tottenham.

Ronaldo has always played for the best teams in every league he has been, first at Man Utd, then Real Madrid, next Juventus, and now Man Utd again(2nd best team in England right now).

The only real challenge he has faced is playing with Portugal at World Cups, since Portugal has always been very underwhelming in that event (bar 1966 and 2006)...and he failed to deliver when it matters.
When it comes to national team, yes, he has faced a greater challenge than Messi because clearly Argentina always had a better reputation as national team than Portugal.

But at aclub level : Messi > Ronaldo

Played for the most successful team in the history of English football, the most successful team in the history of Spanish football and the most successful team in the history of Italian football. All of them won before him and all of them will win after him.

When you talk about challenges at club level you talk about Maradona and Napoli. They have two league titles and one major European trophy in their entire history, and all these prizes were won when he was at the club at a time when the Italian league was by far the best in the world.

I do agree that playing for Portugal is the real challenge in Ronaldo’s career. They’re not as much of a minnow as some people like to disingenuously claim (to bolster CR): after all they have a great footballing history and have produced a number of legendary players and teams (we’re not talking about freaking Norway here….)

However, the country does have a small population and that will always make things harder. I’d class Portugal as similar to the Netherlands, though that country is a bit bigger.

 

[Cal?]

Messi's career didnt start in 2016.

Well done, you spotted a typo, 2006!

Messi made his debut in 04/05, but I thought I'd be kind of not include those first 2 years.

Sounding mighty Trumpian here. My guy didn’t win so it’s rigged. Let’s just ignore all the other polls including the one on the website that is actually dedicated to comparing the two. They’re all rigged.

Then you start talking about the Ballon D’Or. An award that Messi has won more times than Ronaldo. I mean, you couldn’t make it up

I know you're relatively new here, but everyone knows this was rigged, it's not even debatable.

Ballon D'or since 2006:

Ronaldo > Messi: 06, 07, 08, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18 (8)
Messi > Ronaldo: 09, 10, 11, 12, 15, 19 (6)

Winning it more times does NOT mean he's had more votes in more years.

 

[NasirTimothy]

Well done, you spotted a typo, 2006!

Messi made his debut in 04/05, but I thought I'd be kind of not include those first 2 years.

I know you're relatively new here, but everyone knows this was rigged, it's not even debatable.

Ballon D'or since 2006:

Ronaldo > Messi: 06, 07, 08, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18 (8)
Messi > Ronaldo: 09, 10, 11, 12, 15, 19 (6)

Winning it more times does NOT mean he's had more votes in more years.

Sure it was buddy

 

[Wolf1992]

I do agree that playing for Portugal is the real challenge in Ronaldo’s career. They’re not as much of a minnow as some people like to disingenuously claim (to bolster CR): after all they have a great footballing history and have produced a number of legendary players and teams (we’re not talking about freaking Norway here….)

However, the country does have a small population and that will always make things harder. I’d class Portugal as similar to the Netherlands, though that country is a bit bigger.

I believe Netherlands is superior than Portugal, but also they have a bit more population.
Even though it's not all about population otherwise, China,Japan, and USA would be dominating Football, but they don't have an actual footballing culture, which indeed makes hard for them to produce top/great players...Japan and USA have decades investing in Football, and still struggle to produce great players.
If you put that big money in countries with an actual football background like Romania,Ukraine,or Hungary you would see way better results.

 

[NasirTimothy]

I believe Netherlands is superior than Portugal, but also they have a bit more population.
Even though it's not all about population otherwise, China,Japan, and USA would be dominating Football, but they don't have an actual footballing culture, which indeed makes hard for them to produce top/great players...Japan and USA have decades investing in Football, and still struggle to produce great players.
If you put that big money in countries with an actual football background like Romania,Ukraine,or Hungary you would see way better results.

Yeah I get that it’s not all about population. My main point was that Portugal has a real football history and culture. European Cup winning teams, Ballon D’Or winning players etc.

But if you have a country that has all that and is much bigger, you are going to be at a disadvantage for the most part.

 

[Camara]

What a baby

Got evidential facts to back that up??

It's true in a sense.
When Ronaldo scored that hattrick vs Sweden in the playoffs for the wC a mod closed this poll as people started to vote for Ronaldo more

 

[Mark_Barca]

Confused here.

This thread was started in 2015, so how was the poll closed when Ronaldo scored that hat-trick in 2013?

 

[Rojow]

Rigged was the Ballon d'Or 2013. But no one will mention that.

 

[redrobed]

If you don’t vote for Ronaldo you’re not a proper Utd and Madrid fan.

 

[Zlaatan]

Confused here.

This thread was started in 2015, so how was the poll closed when Ronaldo scored that hat-trick in 2013?

It wasn't that game as it happened only a couple of years ago, but whenever it was it's beyond obvious that they closed the poll simply to mess with the most ardent Ronaldo fans here and it's safe to say they got their money's worth since people are still moaning about it. Someone recently said that the mods did it to "defend Messi's legacy" or something along those lines and I think that might be my favorite excuse so far.

 

[RDCR07]

How is going to Man Utd, 2nd best team in EPL, a great challenge?
Challenge would be going to Everton or Tottenham.

Just cause we finished second last year doesn’t mean we are the second best team in the country. Chelsea had Lampard for half a year and Pool had so many injuries.

It is a challenge for him cause he is going to a team that hasn’t a trophy in 4 years and not won the league in a decade. It would not be challenge if he went to City. It’s a YUGEEEE challenge coming to United. It adds to his legacy if he is the one to drag this team to a trophy.

 

[SportingCP96]

To be honest, I usually just skip his posts but I from what I've read he's hardly any different to @Cal? or @SportingCP96. If the rules you're citing would apply, then many, many more people should be banned. The amount of tribalism in here is pretty devastating in recent times. Just read a few threads in which United supporters clash with "oppo fans". I considered putting him on ignore, too, and that's although I support his opinion in general but he's hardly justifying a ban, at least in comparison to other more tribal posters on this board.

How did I get brought up in a thread I am barely active in.

 

[Cal?]

Confused here.

This thread was started in 2015, so how was the poll closed when Ronaldo scored that hat-trick in 2013?

It wasn't that game, it was locked sometime during the Real Madrid 3-peat season with the only aim being ensuring Ronaldo didn't get over half the votes (it was locked at 50-50), then re-opened after Ronaldo left to Juve and lost to Ajax (?) in the CL, whilst Messi beat Liverpool 3-0. It was locked again after Messi & co capitulated 4-0 at Anfield, basically whoever did it had only one aim and that was to protect the feeling of the Messi brigade.

It wasn't that game as it happened only a couple of years ago, but whenever it was it's beyond obvious that they closed the poll simply to mess with the most ardent Ronaldo fans here and it's safe to say they got their money's worth since people are still moaning about it. Someone recently said that the mods did it to "defend Messi's legacy" or something along those lines and I think that might be my favorite excuse so far.

Only when the Messi brigade tries to use the result of the poll as some kind of proof of anything.

 

[kthanksbye]

I really want to know what happens here. Why is this even a debate. As much as I think CR is one of the 5 best players of all time, Messi is clearly the better player.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

I really want to know what happens here. Why is this even a debate. As much as I think Messi is one of the 5 best players of all time, CR is clearly the better player.

That

 

[Morpheus 7]

Cr7 challenging himself in the hardest league in Europe, trying to bring United back to the top. Somewhere unfortunately they haven't been since 2013. That rat Messi away to stat pad in that joke league with oil fc. The debate will always be there because Messi never challenged himself in stronger leagues, french league is where the Messi is going to go retire basically.

The one man club Messi my hole, he stayed because it suited him and he had the team built around him for years. Arguably one of the best teams in history when he was there. He's one of the best ever no doubt about it, the rat just is no Ronaldo.

 

[kthanksbye]

You do realize that Messi being there is a huge reason Barca were one of the best teams in history, don't you?

 

[Andy_Cole]

I do think that pre the 3 x CL wins by Ronaldo Messi was undoubtedly the GOAT. But after that and since I think Ronaldo has been the better, more influential player. Yes Messi got a copa last year which gets him back in the mix. I couldn’t really say which player is better. I’ll go for Ronaldo because I’m a united fan. But it’s closer than what either side says.

 

[MrEleson]

You do realize that Messi being there is a huge reason Barca were one of the best teams in history, don't you?

Spain were essentially a “Messi-less” Barca but their level didn’t drop and they also achieved unprecedented success. The most dominant team in modern international football history.

 

[altodevil]

If you don’t vote for Ronaldo you’re not a proper Utd and Madrid fan.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

It’s just laughable that the Messi brigade keeps bringing up Messi winning a poll on a United forum as some kind of proof when it’s very well known fact that this poll was rigged.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s nothing objective to claiming he’s a better player.

Since the start of Messi’s career in 2016, Ronaldo has received more votes than Messi in Ballon D’or voting in more years than vice versa.

Messi is also winning 60/40 on the Messi vs Ronaldo website which has hundreds of thousands of votes. Every poll you will see on these two will have Messi winning.

Yes it is only an opinion and will never be proven, but awards for the best player are always decided by votes. And Messi is winninh in that regard.

 

[Solius]

Is everyone in here just an actor doing a bit?

Well done, you spotted a typo, 2006!

Messi made his debut in 04/05, but I thought I'd be kind of not include those first 2 years.

I know you're relatively new here, but everyone knows this was rigged, it's not even debatable.

It's true, we rigged it with the help of the FBI.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Spain were essentially a “Messi-less” Barca but their level didn’t drop and they also achieved unprecedented success. The most dominant team in modern international football history.

No they were not. 6 of the starting 11 in the WC final played for Barcelona. Of the 23 man squad, only 7 players were Barcelona players.

 

[MrEleson]

No they were not. 6 of the starting 11 in the WC final played for Barcelona. Of the 23 man squad, only 7 players were Barcelona players.

6/11 is more than 50% of the line-up. And the most pivotal players were from Barca. Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, etc

 

[VinzentFTW]

The biggest fotball talent in the world vs the biggest hard worker and proffesional in fotball.

 

[Bole Top]

Spain were essentially a “Messi-less” Barca but their level didn’t drop and they also achieved unprecedented success. The most dominant team in modern international football history.

it isn't that simple and it's not really comparable. Spain was in fairly unique position since they were basically the best of La liga (Madrid, Barca, Valencia) + Silva, but with rarely seen chemistry before because many of them were playing together. so when you remove Messi, but add Casillas, Ramos and X. Alonso + Villa (2008 and 2010 topscorer) + Torres (2012 topscorer), there obviously won't be significant drop in quality since you also play against weaker opponents with worse managers on international stage. so while Spain had their golden age, whoever your best players were during the 2008-2012 period, when they were facing the all time best Spain, they were facing them with much weaker core than the one they had in their clubs. Spain wasn't playing against Madrid, PSG, Barca, United, Inter etc.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

6/11 is more than 50% of the line-up. And the most pivotal players were from Barca. Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, etc

You said a Messi-less Barca. 6/11 is not the full squad.

Alonso, Ramos and Villa were very important in the Spain best 11 and none were Barca players. (Villa joined Barca after the WC win).

 

[Gehrman]

Messi played in some very good Barca sides untill the their transfer strategy failed and management fecked them up. He still outshone everyone while he was there and was the main player to twat Real Madrid in the Classico's.

 

[Mark_Barca]

I honestly can't fathom this argument about Ronaldo going to the PL and doing it for some sort of monumental challenge.

Surely the real challenge would have been staying at Juve in an attempt to winning the CL rather than running away and refusing to play after failing against Lyon, Ajax and Porto?

He was praised for going to another league where Juve won league after league prior to him btw and the goal was to win the CL. Now hes praised for running away?

He has went to the side who finished second in the 'best league in the world' who have just signed Varane and Sancho. PSG finished second in the farmers league.

You talk complete nonsense if you don't believe Ronaldo wouldn't be at PSG right now if Messi was still at Barca. Challenge though..

 

[MrEleson]

Messi played in some very good Barca sides untill the their transfer strategy failed and management fecked them up. He still outshone everyone while he was there and was the main player to twat Real Madrid in the Classico's.

Messi hasn’t scored in el clasico since May 2018 - coincidentally Ronaldo’s last clasico.

 

[Gehrman]

I honestly can't fathom this argument about Ronaldo going to the PL and doing it for some sort of monumental challenge.

Surely the real challenge would have been staying at Juve in an attempt to winning the CL rather than running away and refusing to play after failing against Lyon, Ajax and Porto?

He was praised for going to another league where Juve won league after league prior to him btw and the goal was to win the CL. Now hes praised for running away?

He has went to the side who finished second in the 'best league in the world' who have just signed Varane and Sancho. PSG finished second in the farmers league.

You talk complete nonsense if you don't believe Ronaldo wouldn't be at PSG right now if Messi was still at Barca. Challenge though..

PSG finishing second is just an indictment of their underperformance relative to the strength of their team though.