Yeah but it's beyond common sense now surely? I mean we looked absolutely cluelessDefinitely not bad coaching if some would have you believe.
Yeah but it's beyond common sense now surely? I mean we looked absolutely cluelessDefinitely not bad coaching if some would have you believe.
It is expected they dominated, we're a man down. They are a pressing team. It is well known we don't have a proper CDM.They didn't create that many but they also entirely dominated the game after the red card and created pressure in dangerous positions while we did exactly nothing since the red card.. we were demolished.
Spot on.If folks don't understand this thread, just watch some of the other CL matches on right now. Regardless of result, watch the way these elite teams play football. And then compare it to us.
We win matches because we have some absolutely elite indivduals. To dine at the top table, you need more than that, you need elite coaching too.
I don't think it's as simple as that. We have a good team and can beat anyone, and we tend to do well against top teams where we can find space and attack on the counter. The issue with Ole is that it feels like the team can do it only one way, and whenever faced with a tactical challenge we don't know what to do.What’s his record like against the greatest managers of all time like?
I can't have a clue whatsoever, I dont have my badges unfortunately.Yes, they have their badges. Out of curiosity how would you do it tonight?
Expected they dominate? It's fecking Young Boys. A red card doesn't mean we get dominated like that. Look at other big teams who actually play competently and not rely on individual magic every game when they go a man down.It is expected they dominated, we're a man down. They are a pressing team. It is well known we don't have a proper CDM.
Caf wanted us to score more goals after the red. Before half time we're so open it's disaster waiting to happen.
This 100%. You look at our first three goals against Newcastle. They were all down to individual brilliance.If folks don't understand this thread, just watch some of the other CL matches on right now. Regardless of result, watch the way these elite teams play football. And then compare it to us.
We win matches because we have some absolutely elite indivduals. To dine at the top table, you need more than that, you need elite coaching too.
How do you know?Ole, Carrick and McKenna have their badges! They are good coaches. I think Lee Grant might not have his yet, but our coaching is good!
That’s your logic though isn’t it ? Since you said he’s great against top managers ? It’s all about winning against the smaller teamsBy that logic we get arteta in then?
Well @Eriku, would you like to have a go, don't think I can word it as well as you.How do you know?
I agree with the bolded but it is strange given that most of Ole's most significant wins have come from setting us up deep to counter.Personally don't get about coaching anymore, Ole is adamant to rely on individual brilliance, and wants the team to be giving it all. That's his way.
But Ole has no tactical nous during games, that a huge concern. We got a red today, and he didn't have any clue on how to set us in a defensive way whilst being able to control and at least have periods of attack to maybe nick another goal.
We will fail in European competitions because of this simply because he hasn't got plan b's and c's.
Is that all it’s about though? Beat 11 teams home and away then get spanked by the other 5? We would be worse of than we are now.That’s your logic though isn’t it ? Since you said he’s great against top managers ? It’s all about winning against the smaller teams
Seems like it. Sack Ole today for losing against Young Boys with 10 men.Wait, are we really blaming Ole for AVB getting sent off, and Lingard making a mistake?
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
I know that Carrick was a terrible coach when he was coaching some academy in Manchester before he got the United gig.How do you know?
The pattern is there for all to see except the most biased Ole fans. Against a low block, we struggle to create much. That is completely down to poor coaching when we consider the attacking players we have at our disposal.Yeah but it's beyond common sense now surely? I mean we looked absolutely clueless
It’s nothing to do with the sending off, yes that changed the game but we were mauled afterwards and that shouldn’t happen 10 men or notWait, are we really blaming Ole for AVB getting sent off, and Lingard making a mistake?
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
Oh, in that aspect sure. By the same logic, Roy Hodgson is also a good coach/manager. As are David Moyes, Lumen and Round.Well @Eriku, would you like to have a go, don't think I can word it as well as you.
I think they have their badges, they passed tests or some sort of training and therefore must be of good standard. All professional coaches are good coaches.
This is why clubs pay big money to get them into the club. Anyway, great players hardly need coaching.This 100%. You look at our first three goals against Newcastle. They were all down to individual brilliance.
Who said anything about getting spanked ? Even with 2 wins and 5 draws against the big 6 last year would be fine if we beat 7- 20 on a consistent basisIs that all it’s about though? Beat 11 teams home and away then get spanked by the other 5? We would be worse of than we are now.
Yes mate, you are a fast learner! They are all good coaches.Oh, in that aspect sure. By the same logic, Roy Hodgson is also a good coach/manager. As are David Moyes, Lumen and Round.
Doesn't mean they are good for us though. And from what we see in the pitch, neither are Ole, Carrick and McKenna.
That second half performance, even considering that we were down a man, with zero attempts, is completely on Ole's coaching abilities and his cowardly tactics.Wait, are we really blaming Ole for AVB getting sent off, and Lingard making a mistake?
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
Some of us have been banging this drum for a while, but we've repeatedly had "Ole doesn't have an X player in Y position". "Judge him, when he's built his team". Now, there's this mythical DM, who'd suddenly solve all of our ball-playing problems. Those who don't see issues in how we play after 3 years, won't suddenly see it now. They'll cherry pick and throw favorable stats at you all day, or name call you for being an armchair coach.Think it has become an increasingly clear issue as the quality of our players has improved. Even without breaking it down into detail, you can see the difference between how well drilled City and Chelsea are compared to us at even a casual watch. It's not like those teams have flawless personnel either, but their play is much more heavily/thoroughly structured.
Wouldn't even focus so much on today's game (which was shaped by individual errors) as our PL games, including some of the ones we got good results in.
Ok, everyone who has a badge is a good coach.Yes mate, you are a fast learner! They are all good coaches.
That’s very patronising for someone who seems to be talking out his backsideYes mate, you are a fast learner! They are all good coaches.
im not that bothered by the result, that goal was coming all second half. Im absolutely shellshocked you can manage a game and group of elite players that badlyIf folks don't understand this thread, just watch some of the other CL matches on right now. Regardless of result, watch the way these elite teams play football. And then compare it to us.
We win matches because we have some absolutely elite indivduals. To dine at the top table, you need more than that, you need elite coaching too.
Which is fine but we shouldnt be expecting that of our manager. No one can really predict when you will have to play with 10 men, come on, let's be fair. Would be a nice bonus.I remember when we got a red card in LvGs first season away to City. We were brilliant that day despite the loss. Because of LvGs coaching, we could still keep the ball, play out of their press, and create chances. This, again, was at the Etihad; a hard place to go and play football with 11 men.
A red card doesn't automatically mean abandoning any attempt at playing football whatsoever. Especially when you're already 1-0 against an opponent nowhere near your league.
Let's not sensationalise losing a game in injury time with 10 men. Their goal came in injury time. Hardly mauled.It’s nothing to do with the sending off, yes that changed the game but we were mauled afterwards and that shouldn’t happen 10 men or not
so he’s got the measure of the best managers in the world then? But he’s shit because we don’t win 100% vs the lesser teams like pep, Klopp and tuchel do? (They don’t) You can’t have it both waysWho said anything about getting spanked ? Even with 2 wins and 5 draws against the big 6 last year would be fine if we beat 7- 20 on a consistent basis
Expected to dominate? This is the sort of mentality for us being where we are and the lack of winning competitions. With the squad of players at our disposal, expectation needs to increase and we should be challenging for the major trophies rather than expecting to be dominated by Young Boys.It is expected they dominated, we're a man down. They are a pressing team. It is well known we don't have a proper CDM.
Caf wanted us to score more goals after the red. Before half time we're so open it's disaster waiting to happen.
We're blaming him for his shit subs and terrible game management after the red.Wait, are we really blaming Ole for AVB getting sent off, and Lingard making a mistake?
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
I don't think its sensationalism. We couldn't string more than 3 passes together, hoofed it at most opportunities, fell extremely deep and allowed them to take 19 shots on our goal.Let's not sensationalise losing a game in injury time with 10 men. Their goal came in injury time. Hardly mauled.