Interest for the HW scene was dead for Americans, Tyson made Wilder, not the other way round. You gotta give him kudos for that. He was getting like 55-45 in the first fight.... imagine Frank Bruno getting that against Mike Tyson.Wilder didn't want to shake Fury's hand because he was embarrassed. Embarrassed because not only did Fury beat him probably three times, but because Fury, having being given the opportunity, became more popular than Wilder in his own backyard. That's why Wilder was mad. He could not accept that Fury even had well known A-list American celebs tweeting out support to him - Mike Tyson, Drake, Lil Wayne. That's embarrassing for him and it's because he does not exude charisma.
Yes, he gave Tyson the opportunity, but Tyson grabbed it with both hands and then turned it into his own legacy.
If he beats Whyte and either Joshua/Usyk he will have a pretty good resume at that point. I think he’s very good but needs a few more names on his list to be considered a great I think.If Wilder can knock him down 3 times in total.... I'm sure others could too. I'm not sure what I think of Fury on the whole, I love that he dismantled the horrific myth of Wilder in their first fight after everything that came beforehand and also the Wlad fight... this fight was utterly pointless, he beat him in 1, and horrifically beat him in 2.... just to more or less do it again, even if he did get knocked down twice
But now he'll sit on this "greatest of my era" shit on the basis on that which is kinda true right now, boxing is shit because of it. I'm not overly sure who started this bullshit cherry picking to create false legacies, probably Sugar Rey Leonard, but Floyd took it an obscene level.... and now loads are at it.
This post is tragic. Fury is a colossal racist and homophobe. He's an actual garbage personNo respect for Wilder in any way shape or form. Even if he did make a fight of it this morning, I just can’t say anything pleasant towards him with how he conducts himself, no grace in defeat
Delighted he got KO’d, Delighted for Fury
Total legend
Best of his Era
Yeah, Fury has really reached out to the US. The partnership with Sugar Hill, the Irish connections, the name-dropping of famous Americans. He turned Wilder's gift into his own show.Interest for the HW scene was dead for Americans, Tyson made Wilder, not the other way round. You gotta give him kudos for that. He was getting like 55-45 in the first fight.... imagine Frank Bruno getting that against Mike Tyson.
I was sorely tempted to come out of betting retirement for this one.£10 @8/1: Fury to win, both fighters to be knocked down
I think a lot of people here are just giving Fury the credit he deserves for beating a guy who was 40 and 0 arguably 3 times in his own backyard. It's not easy to do that, no matter what you think of Deontay Wilder boxing wise. Doing that is not endorsing Fury the guy who is an extremely complex individual and who has had serious mental health issues, been on the verge of suicide, and who was seemingly self-destructing.This post is tragic. Fury is a colossal racist and homophobe. He's an actual garbage person
Wilder happens to be a bit thick and a cnut
People personally disliking Wilder more than Fury should take a long hard look in the mirror...
He may well be the best of this era but it’s not exactly a vintage era….If Wilder can knock him down 3 times in total.... I'm sure others could too. I'm not sure what I think of Fury on the whole, I love that he dismantled the horrific myth of Wilder in their first fight after everything that came beforehand and also the Wlad fight... this fight was utterly pointless, he beat him in 1, and horrifically beat him in 2.... just to more or less do it again, even if he did get knocked down twice
But now he'll sit on this "greatest of my era" shit on the basis on that which is kinda true right now, boxing is shit because of it. I'm not overly sure who started this bullshit cherry picking to create false legacies, probably Sugar Rey Leonard, but Floyd took it an obscene level.... and now loads are at it.
no excuses for racism.I think a lot of people here are just giving Fury the credit he deserves for beating a guy who was 40 and 0 arguably 3 times in his own backyard. It's not easy to do that, no matter what you think of Deontay Wilder boxing wise. Doing that is not endorsing Fury the guy who is an extremely complex individual and who has had serious mental health issues, been on the verge of suicide, and who was seemingly self-destructing.
Fury has said some things in the past that are pretty disgusting and indefensible. Yes, things which are racist and which are homophobic. At the same time, he's had bouts of mental instability and is in his own way a victim. He is also from a Traveller background which means he's probably been on the receiving end of racism himself.
I think people are giving Tyson a chance to redeem himself because he has shown courage in confronting something that a lot of men are struggling with. It's not as if anyone is condoning what he has said and done in the past.
The American commentators were funny. They were telling me Wilder had hurt Furey when you could see in Wilder's eyes he was in trouble. This was about 20s before he had him down in the third.Have to say I didn't really notice much improvement or gameplan about Wilder technically, I think he just fought a little better on the night. He managed to strike up a different determination and hurt Fury more which kept him in the fight. It was more like a last stand than refinement.
The American commentators were really talking it up just because he came out with a jab. But that's nothing new, he's tried to start off fights like that in the past but as soon as he's hurt and lets too many hayemakers go he tires and loses all form. It was the same old thing in that way.
people are complex. Fury seems like a nice genuine guy. Wilder seems like a disrespectful knob.This post is tragic. Fury is a colossal racist and homophobe. He's an actual garbage person
Wilder happens to be a bit thick and a cnut
People personally disliking Wilder more than Fury should take a long hard look in the mirror...
Yeah, Fury does seem like a genuinely nice guy I agree. Also agree that Wilder is a sore loser and and cnut.people are complex. Fury seems like a nice genuine guy. Wilder seems like a disrespectful knob.
Agree. 100%No respect for Wilder in any way shape or form. Even if he did make a fight of it this morning, I just can’t say anything pleasant towards him with how he conducts himself, no grace in defeat
Delighted he got KO’d, Delighted for Fury
Total legend
Best of his Era
Pretending he had COVID and coming in heavier than ever suggest he had not been giving this everything.
I think he is the best today but making yourself bigger and slower against a puncher like Wilder is a dangerous move to me
Guys do you have any evidence to support these statements which you can enlighten us on?Wilder was so clearly roided today. Real steroid gut and he had questionable gloves too
What exactly are you basing this on other than a poor interview he conducted years ago?This post is tragic. Fury is a colossal racist and homophobe. He's an actual garbage person
Wilder happens to be a bit thick and a cnut
People personally disliking Wilder more than Fury should take a long hard look in the mirror...
Just one of those nice, genuine guys that thinks homosexuals will burn in hell and women belong in the kitchen, who accuses other boxers of being drug cheats while having previously taken nandrolone, and stated on record he would hang his sister if he discovered she was 'promiscuous.' Then there were his comments on Jews and comparing transgenderism to beastiality. And what of the mysterious charity donation he refuses to comment on? But other than that, nice guy.people are complex. Fury seems like a nice genuine guy. Wilder seems like a disrespectful knob.
I'm probably going overboard with GOAT. Has any other fighter unified the cruiserweight and heavyweight division? Just Holyfield ? But Uysk could do it quicker in a world against giants.The GOAT? That's just ridiculous. Besides, even this sloppy Fury would walk through Usyk, who doesn't have anywhere near the power that Wilder does.
Have you seen the scorecards? Fury won every round between 6-10 by being technically better. Maybe you're not a fan of Fury's technique and perhaps you enjoyed Usyk beating AJ more but each to their own - we saw 5 knock downs last night in an 11 round war. Incredible drama and that's what I think most people want to see.People calling it one of the greatest fights… I know opinions and all that… I thought it was absolutely one of the most entertaining fights in a long, long time but from a technical standpoint, It was pretty dire. Fury didn’t have his best night and Wilder was fecking windmilling from the second round.
It doesn’t take a lot to be technically better than Wilder. I thought Fury didn’t have his greatest performance by any stretch. Thought he was better in the second fight. And yes, I enjoyed Usyk’s performance against AJ — it was a masterclass in boxing.Have you seen the scorecards? Fury won every round between 6-10 by being technically better. Maybe you're not a fan of Fury's technique and perhaps you enjoyed Usyk beating AJ more but each to their own - we saw 5 knock downs last night in an 11 round war. Incredible drama and that's what I think most people want to see.
You're talking to fergieisold, you've probably just listed more reasons for him to idolize Fury.Just one of those nice, genuine guys that thinks homosexuals will burn in hell and women belong in the kitchen, who accuses other boxers of being drug cheats while having previously taken nandrolone, and stated on record he would hang his sister if he discovered she was 'promiscuous.' Then there were his comments on Jews and comparing transgenderism to beastiality. And what of the mysterious charity donation he refuses to comment on? But other than that, nice guy.
You're talking to fergieisold, you've probably just listed more reasons for him to idolize Fury.
To be fair it's not outlandish to be of the opinion that any elite sportsperson is on PEDs.Guys do you have any evidence to support these statements which you can enlighten us on?
I find it mad how people can drop such outlandish statements so casually like the rest of us are also supposed to know
You're talking to fergieisold, you've probably just listed more reasons for him to idolize Fury.
If by probably you mean certainly, then I agree. I think you're hugely underestimating the importance of size too, being the better boxer (very debatable comparing Usyk and Fury) doesn't mean much when your arms are half the length.I'm probably going overboard with GOAT. Has any other fighter unified the cruiserweight and heavyweight division? Just Holyfield ? But Uysk could do it quicker in a world against giants.
Too much is being said about power and size when it comes to Usyk. The better boxer will 99.9% of the time win, and Uysk for me schools everyone in the division. If Tyson is as sloppy as he was last night, Usyk beats him. Ive supported Fury from day 1 but Usyk is the bogeyman.