I don't see anything in this post that suggests or shows any evidence that he isn't ready.
Would you take Graham Potter at United?
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Strange maybe, but legit, ha
Of course. Why not Eddie Howe then or Steve Bruce.
So you think giving a totally inexperienced manager with no CL experience and no big club and big player experience is the right move after Ole? The players are going to buy into that are they?
Can't you just see that's the type of decision that lands us in this mess to start with.
Potter may well go on to great things but there's a step or two to make before going from little old Brighton to one of the biggest sports teams in the world. It's just a non starter.
Sometimes I don't think fans realise just how much pressure there is to be Utd boss. Look what it did to Moyes LVG and Jose for example.
Dean Henderson doing the biz at Sheff Utd is just another example of the difference in expectations. Different world at United.
Because Potter is a very good manager. If you're going to start painting all managers of lesser clubs with one brush theres no point entertaining a debate.
Young Boys are Swiss champions and in the CL. By your own barometers their manager is as qualified as Ten Hag. Should he be chosen?
While Potter shows promise, he isn't and hasn't managed a team with expectation of winning week in, week out.
For me, that requirement can't be understated, it is a different level of expectation. If the club was in a different place, perhaps more recent success and better people behind the scenes you could take the risk with Potter. Given where we are However, it would bring another inexperienced manager at this level into a failing structure, recipe for disaster.
Conte in all but style was was perfect candidate. Now he is out of the equation we need to go all out for Ten Hag. He doesn't tick every box and doesn't have PL experience but he is playing in Europe and winning in Holland.
Eitherway Ole needs to be removed from the position yesterday!
For me, that requirement can't be understated, it is a different level of expectation. If the club was in a different place, perhaps more recent success and better people behind the scenes you could take the risk with Potter. Given where we are However, it would bring another inexperienced manager at this level into a failing structure, recipe for disaster.
Conte in all but style was was perfect candidate. Now he is out of the equation we need to go all out for Ten Hag. He doesn't tick every box and doesn't have PL experience but he is playing in Europe and winning in Holland.
Eitherway Ole needs to be removed from the position yesterday!
I'm amazed at how many posters on here KNOW that Potter will fail, or is not READY for the United job. Please can I borrow your crystal ball!
From what I have seen from Brighton, they appear to be very well organised, each player appears to know his job, and, most importantly, they play as a team.
I remember last year's match against Brighton away, when we were pummeled for most of the game, Brighton hitting the woodwork 5 times, and with a fortunate penalty we won 3-2. Our midfield two that day was Matic and Pogba, so I can understand how we struggled.
When looking at the Brighton team, how many of their players would you class as top premier League players,not many I would think, so the underlying fact is that Potter got his 'inferior' players to perform above their individual capacity, whereas we get our 'top class' players to perform below their individual and collective capacity, i.e. we don't play as a team.
I have no idea if Potter would be the man to replace Ole, if, and probably when that happens, but in my limited knowledge of football (only playing semi pro football), I know that players will take to a manager/head coach if his training is interesting, and his knowledge of playing football and strategies, plans etc are well thought out and implementable.
From what I have seen from Brighton, they appear to be very well organised, each player appears to know his job, and, most importantly, they play as a team.
I remember last year's match against Brighton away, when we were pummeled for most of the game, Brighton hitting the woodwork 5 times, and with a fortunate penalty we won 3-2. Our midfield two that day was Matic and Pogba, so I can understand how we struggled.
When looking at the Brighton team, how many of their players would you class as top premier League players,not many I would think, so the underlying fact is that Potter got his 'inferior' players to perform above their individual capacity, whereas we get our 'top class' players to perform below their individual and collective capacity, i.e. we don't play as a team.
I have no idea if Potter would be the man to replace Ole, if, and probably when that happens, but in my limited knowledge of football (only playing semi pro football), I know that players will take to a manager/head coach if his training is interesting, and his knowledge of playing football and strategies, plans etc are well thought out and implementable.
This is key, just don't know how to put it in words but I'd try - if Pochettino within a year or so at Spurs was good enough for United what exactly stops him from going straight from Southampton to us? Same as say Klopp from his stint at Mainz, in hindsight, what he did at Dortmund proves that he was already good enough but just hadn't had the right platform to prove it. I think the ability to see beyond what is currently apparent is very important in a sporting executive.
Yeah most would feel safer if he went to an Everton and got a couple of top four finishes but what's to say that if went there then we would have a hard time attracting him or overtaking them?
All right, all right. Lets start a debate, why is he a very good manager and worthy of being an United manager?
I think if Ole goes whenever he goes we need an elite manager. I mentioned Howe cause he too was really considered here for a manager spot cause his team played some nice stuff and looked organized.
Absolutely agree with all of this,.
What I took issue with was a poster saying that our squad was barely championship level, which is wrong and frankly insulting to a chairman and management team who saved and turned this club around in the last decade, it is their structure and guidance that has put us on such a strong footing. Potter is a good manager no doubt and I would bet my mortgage on him having great career, but for us he is the icing on the cake, not the foundation stone of our success.
By the way I've always liked Gross as a player!
Anything beats our current setup of Neville Longbottom, the Weasley twins and Hagrid
I think the work Potter has done earns him the right to he in the conversation but I believe Poch or Ten Hag are likely better shouts as they are safer. Rodgers too.
But if the barometer is Ole it is hard to argue against Potter being a good appointment.
Ole isnt the barometer.
Anyway I dont see anything special and as I said if we go let go of Ole we should aim high and I'm not sure getting Potter would be high.
I'd take Harry Potter tbh.
In all honestly, why anyone would refuse a tactically adaptable manager who can work on a shoestring budget over what we have now is baffling.
Personally I would rather Ten Hag, but would I take Potter over Poch? Quite possibly.
In all honestly, why anyone would refuse a tactically adaptable manager who can work on a shoestring budget over what we have now is baffling.
Personally I would rather Ten Hag, but would I take Potter over Poch? Quite possibly.
What has potter won? He'd have the same credibility in the dressing room as Moyes did. Nothing against Potter, but at some point he would need to step up to a established top ten club in PL to see how he does.
I wouldn’t because his lack of achievements at this point would make the fanbase turn on him super quick.
A lot quicker than they did on Ole because Potter has no connection with the fans/club.
It could be like Nuno at Spurs, although I think he’s a better manager than Nuno. But I do rate him, just probably the wrong time for him/us.
A lot quicker than they did on Ole because Potter has no connection with the fans/club.
It could be like Nuno at Spurs, although I think he’s a better manager than Nuno. But I do rate him, just probably the wrong time for him/us.
The sad reality is if we were aiming high we would have got conte
True that.
Thing is I would bet Moyes had some respect when he walked in. But he threw it all out the window with his dinosaur approach to the game.
That is true, however potter lack of success as a player and a manager I.e. trophies would stand against him. He seems a bright manager,but it's a huge step going from brighton to managing the egos of multimillionaires.
It depends on how he starts. If he has a rough Moyes-esq start, it might be overwhelming for him to overcome it. That's where the big name managers can just ride it out on reputation.
If he comes in & has an immediate impact, all of that will be irrelevant especially if he can get over his lack of trophy hump within a season or 2.
These days whilst trophies help I think the players are smart enough to respect a well coached system so long as its a progressive style.
I can assure you that no one on here wants him for the reason that he finished 16th with Brighton. You have to look beyond just the results. Their underlying statistics were remarkable last season for a team that you would expect to be somewhere between lower mid table and the relegation zone.
Look here for example: https://understat.com/league/EPL/2020. They were ranked as the 10th best attacking team on xG, 3rd best defence, and 5th on expected points by those metrics. If there was an underperformance last season, then it would be really unfair to put it on the manager.
It's not just statistics either. Watch one of their games and it will be immediately clear why he is highly rated. The game against Liverpool is almost a too perfect example, but there is also the Arsenal game a few weeks back where they were dominant but ultimately failed to convert (just to mention two recent examples).
Seems most links of Arsenal vs Östersund 2 games replays are down, you can clearly see in those games whats he about.
Ole “bettered” Pep a few times. So Ole in?
They all had this experience you say a manager needs and it helped none of them. Maybe hiring a coach on the way up instead of down would work this time instead?
Good points.
Brighton appear to be a very well run club with clear structures and direction. The appointment of Potter after the removal of Hughton was, for me, clear evidence of that. A progressive thoughtful tactician and man manager that would move the project forward. Rather than the next Bruce/Hughes/Pulis off the rank. I suspect it's also no coincidence that Tony Bloom's Belgian side, Union St Gilloise, are presently top of the league there.
I've also seen nothing to suggest Potter isn't absolutely in control. He's quietly but effectively moved on all the players that he didn't feel fitted in with, or were sufficiently versatile for his system. That includes fan favourites like Knockaert and awkward personalities like Andone. In fact, it looks like he's moved on the bulk of the squad Chris Hughton left. Those senior players that remain, like Dunk, Duffy and Groß appear to have fully bought into his philosophy.
I think he's a very good coach, possibly an exceptional one. Agree with you that the structures Brighton had in place have helped him hugely.
I'd take anyone who has even an average chance of doing a good job. Potter would definitely be included on that list. We are back to Mourinho levels of dullness and cluelessness when we play now. Painful to watch. We need someone with a plan. Rodgers has been my first choice for a while.
Would never happen obviously, but in an alternate universe, I would take him as a caretaker until the end of season then assess, I know we shouldn’t have hired Ole and should’ve only been a caretaker, but Potter is a lot better than Ole in my opinion.
It's desperate times now.That is desperate
It's an okay squad, but from an outside perspective definitely feels like it's playing much, much better football than you'd expect given the players. Especially up front - Maupay is an alright footballer but the Championship is probably his level as a goalscorer, and Welbeck similarly has spent a decade showing he's a technically gifted but chronically goal-shy attacker.
I'd say virtually every other team that finished in the bottom half last season had better attacking players. And yet there were some seriously impressive performances on show - you looked great against Spurs and Liverpool and genuinely played us off the park home and away, only lost because we had so much quality on the pitch to pull something out of the bag.
The swedish cup!
The thing with these “would you take Manager X” threads is - instead of who? Instead of Ole? Yes. Instead of any manager who is, or might be available? Not so sure.
Rate him really highly and can’t wait for him to leave the Seaweed tbh. Have been consoling myself through their good run of form that as soon as he put a good season together he’d be off and it seems we’re starting to move in that direction with threads like this which is absolutely fantastic. He’s just got it I think, you can see it in the way the team are coached. Hope you make him an offer ASAP.
I didn't know that he has a Masters in Leadership and emotional intelligence from the Metropolitan Leeds University? He is no mug for sure.
A much bigger achievement than Ole winning the Norwegian league with Molde, I must say.
As I said in a previous post, he also finished first in the Swedish 4th and 3rd divisions. (Promotion to the first division was gained through coming second in the 2nd division.) Also, after winning the Swedish FA Cup, he qualified with Östersund by making it through three two-legged knock-out rounds, beating Galatasaray and PAOK (arguably much bigger clubs) in the process.
I suppose people will laugh at the level, but it shows he can keep the intensity of his team up for a full season at least, and has been able to handle the pressure of knock-out matches.
I think leicester city would be a good move for him, if rodgers gets snapped up by City or Utd as replacement for Guardiola/Ole.
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