In addition to this, I'm sure the cost of having and implementing a new engine is a serious barrier to why this would never to be feasible.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I missed the race but what a drive by Hamilton apparently. Reading the reports, it looks like he turned it on. Of course having the quickest car helps (with the new engine) but still takes skill/balls to drive like that.
Genuinely I can't remember when someone in sport has gotten under my skin so much. In Silverstone Lewis went in a bit hot, Max did nothing to avoid, Max goes off and Horner accuses Hamilton of putting his driver in the hospital. Here Max goes in waaaayyyy too hot, Lewis avoids the conctact and its "hard racing". Its probably the 5th or 6th such incident this season. Its terrible PR for him and RBR and honestly I think in the long term it will hurt Max because, unless Horner is giving him hell behind closed doors, Horner is enabling this behaviour in Max. My dearest hope is that both teams have decent cars next year and either Lewis or Russell put Max away for a few years.
Max Horner is a class A cnut but theres plenty of those in sports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varejão
Has anyone seen Max's onboard yet?
Still not been released by the FIA. I assume they'll not bother and keep it quiet now.
Literally everybody is in agreement they messed up. It's quite annoying that nobody from Mercedes questioned them more on it.
What's even more annoying is hearing that Jonathan Wheatley coming over the radio CONSTANTLY knowing Micheal Masi is a fraud and he's got him by the balls.
"what happened to let them race Micheal"
I can't believe they went along with that.Horner and Max are the same (and as a result, I don't think they have any words with Max, they enable him).
It's always a racing incident or "let them race" principle when it's Max. Then they moan if Lewis holds/pushes his line.
I can understand stewards saying they couldn't penalise him to a certain extent yesterday without the front facing camera but I don't see why they can't keep chasing that (I think they are) and if appropriate, penalise him for the next GP.
SKY were saying it was frustrating their live feed switched to the rear facing just at the crucial moment. So what? That doesn't mean you switched the cameras off, the film is still there?
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...g-camera-not-available-in-hamilton-move-call/
Good point well made. Hamilton thrives on adversity. And they just served to make him even more determined.
Can they do that?
Normally that kind of incident is taken care of in the race (5 or 10 second penalty).
From what I saw i was surprised he didn't get a punishment.. and Lewis did well to avoid the accident
Not sure what tools are available to the fia but my gut feel is I'd be surprised to see them do anything in the next gp... perhaps retrospectively add 5 seconds to his time in Brazil so he still finished 2nd?
Max and RB have pretty much had it all their own way in the last few races.
But this time, I was looking at Max body language on the podium. Talk about a forced smile.
He is a brilliant driver. Don't doubt that. But real champions are still able to deal with adversity. Max still has some way to go to be a respected champion, rather than a spoilt schoolboy.
Link just posted by someone.Still not been released by the FIA. I assume they'll not bother and keep it quiet now.
Literally everybody is in agreement they messed up. It's quite annoying that nobody from Mercedes questioned them more on it.
What's even more annoying is hearing that Jonathan Wheatley coming over the radio CONSTANTLY knowing Micheal Masi is a fraud and he's got him by the balls.
"what happened to let them race Micheal"
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...y-for-over-the-limit-verstappen-is-laughable/
Especially because Mercedes state that this was the result of some kind of failure. They have still not be given access to the subject rear wing.
This is my problem with him. As great a talent as he is he's being pandered to all the way from people like Horner who deny every error he makes and cry foul against him at every opportunity.
Maybe it's just inexperience but I see a need for him to grow up rapidly if he wants global acclaim for the rest of his career.
I used to think similar about Vettel when he was at the top but he's now one of my favourite drivers he's learned how to balance his ability with not being a dick all the time and he's all the better for it.
The worry is if Max is pedastalled like this for too long he's not going to think about consequences enough down the line and that could get him or someone else hurt.
Bottas ended 3 seconds behind Max I think? I had no idea that stewards didn't have access to all camera angles - that's the bit of this that I find most surprising.
Horner has never made any attempts to hide the fact that he's a hypocrite. He literally said this when he was asked about his reaction had the roles been reversed yesterday. He said he would have had a moan about it, even if he believed Hamilton had done nothing wrong.
Audi buy mclaren
https://www.planetf1.com/news/report-audi-buy-out-mclaren-group/
Wow that's one spectacular f1 entry strategy if true
https://www.planetf1.com/news/report-audi-buy-out-mclaren-group/
Wow that's one spectacular f1 entry strategy if true
The rear wing was with FIA until today, so Mercedes engineers havent been hands on with it. Was it the side that max touched that was 0.2 off or the other side?
I find it very strange that the onboard footage still hasnt been released of max and lewis going off track. Hopefully it will come out before the next race otherwise it will just fuel conspiracy theories where there are none.
Interesting as McLaren refused their approach a few weeks ago. McLaren-Audi works would be an interesting team.
Yes... I guess in some ways there is (tenious) history as when mclaren were destroying everybody with a T.A.G. engine it was actually a porshe (now part of vw group with audi)
I wonder how keen merc are to fulfill their engine contract to audi... im guessing they are stuck with it?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/m...es-again-from-2021-announced-4988153/4988153/
Till at least 2024 but probably until the new engine regs?
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Volkswagen group will want Audi to run it's own engines, not sure when that would happen. Buyout had to happen before next season as there is a stupid clause from 2022-2026 where any new entrant to f1 has to pay each team £20mil to enter f1. Bizarre.
Will be interesting to see Daimler response to this in regards to the engines. Dont want to give audi any help whatsoever I guess getting up to speed.
Horner must be gutted, RB wanted Porsche or Audi to buy the honda engine factory from them. Not gonna happen now. Also Audi in F1 makes alot more sense than Porsche. Who as a brand dont synegise with F1.
think they are stuck having to supply till the new engine rules come in in 2025 (provided Mclaren is kept as a going concern which im sure it will be) at which point VW will have their own under either audi or porsche (probably audi as you say)
but yeah not ideal for merc
Is that right? So they're pulling up the drawbridge to new teams effectively.
Calling that a "robust defense" is pretty laughable by itself.
If anyone had any doubts what liberty media would bring to F1 we found out this season. Wrestling (and not the sport type).
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https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021...g-camera-not-available-in-hamilton-move-call/
I hope everyone connected to that feels ashamed of themselves. This is Trump level of delusional if they believe anyone buys this. Makes Max SPA points look all the more dodgy now.
What a circus this has become. Fly around 10 one billion dollar franchises to every inhabited continent on earth but the crucial footage... access denied.
I hope everyone connected to that feels ashamed of themselves. This is Trump level of delusional if they believe anyone buys this. Makes Max SPA points look all the more dodgy now.
Max is their crown jewel whether you like it or not, they wont punish him like what Schumi did years ago. Yes Lewis is their biggest name right now but i think their put their egg on Max's future and they will milking this season to the fullest.
Granted that Lewis is not like Senna, if Lewis has Senna's personality, he will grind Max like hell on and off the track.
Granted that Lewis is not like Senna, if Lewis has Senna's personality, he will grind Max like hell on and off the track.
They are ruining it if they think they can choose a winner only because other US "sports" tend to.
Interesting - based on that the footage should come out at some point and presumably they will have to make a decision
not sure what the scope of any punishment could be though but I can see things becoming even more heated between red bull and merc as no doubt merc will push for some kind of penalty at the next GP and Red Bull look almost certain to try and complain about the merc wing that they seem convinced is flexing
Audi has bought McLaren. Like, all of it.
Essentially what they are claiming is that they have the same information as everyone else watching on SKY does, which would make their presence at the track useless in itself, but even for the sake of the argument if that were true there's still no way one can see that as anything other than Max attempting to crash out the two of them. He didn't run wide. He wouldn't have been 3 track widths clear of the track from running wide on the dirty part. He tried to maintain his championship advantage.
I believe that is true... though all the footage that is not broadcast is stored on the cameras and this is made available after the GP - I guess they are in the middle of moving from south amarica to the middle east right now but hopefully the footage does not magically get lost in the move.
From what I saw I was surprised he didnt get a 5 second penalty - not sure retrospectively what punishments are available - in some ways its lucky there was such a big run off area there that hamilton could go into because if there had been a gravel trap or worse still barriers it could have been far worse.
Looking forward to seeing the onboard if / when it emerges though
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If the footage was stored on the cameras while not prod cast how would the director choose what camera to show or how do the replays of things we didn't see live work?
Yeah I’m not sold on this not having access to it. It seems shady to me. How the hell else do they have onboard cameras for TV purposes. I’m pretty sure every car has one which we frequently see throughout the race so what am I missing? It would be bizarre if you could only see it if they select it live or something. Doesn’t make sense
Coulthard was certain they had it during the commentary too and made a point of saying the stewards have all camera angles available to them at any time to review footage. It seems odd if they have to wait, but have to make penalty decisions from incomplete footage.
Also I’m amazed there is a race this coming weekend. Can understand back to backs when distance is small but this is like the other side of the world? And with time difference it’s actually even less than the normal right because Qatar is several hours ahead.
They not choose it per se but they will let play it out untill Dubai if they can, thats entertaining value will skyrocket for them even it means bending some rules for some drivers. This close battle all season has been entertaing, no way they gonna let it end right now.
I agree the way stewards handle this matter has been abysmal to say the least. I am all for hard driving but the rule is the limit, you should punish those who break them regardless who they are. And the excuse not having access to the footage?
They only broadcast one camera at a time due to bandwidth restrictions (camera footage, team radio, telemetry etc) - at the time of the incident it was transmitting vettels rear camera (probably because hamilton was close behind him) - the rest of the footage is physically stored on the camera and retreived after the race ... that should hopefully be made available soon though i guess right now most officials and teams are traveling so perhaps tomorrow or Wednesday is a realistic timeframe for them to convene and review - then no doubt redbull and merc will want a say - perhaps thursday by then?
Not sure. I was just saying they’re still after the footage and I can’t see any reason why they couldn’t have delayed decision until then… the fact they considered it may mean it’s a dine deal which puts into question their processes and/or how they treat Verstappen (not saying there’s a conspiracy against Hamilton but decisions like this make it easy for social media to say there is).
In an age of instant media, I find it laughable that they couldn’t have got that footage within minutes, made a decision and dealt with it.
Maybe, just maybe would have made Verstappen think twice next time but I doubt it. Horner would have told him to forget the “silly men” because he’s desperate to do anything to hold into what is clearly a very good driver who could win multiple titles… even if it means lying and pandering to him.
I honestly have trouble believing that. Every drone race organizer is miles ahead of F1 if that is true. But for the sake of argument even if it were true how can they then decide it's not worthy of investigation if they haven't seen what they claim to be crtical evidence? (Even that in itself is bizarre because it doesn't matter if Max went wide because of steering or because of throttle).