Finished 8th his first season. Then two 4th place finishes.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Liverpool were awful early on under Klopp. I used be taking the piss out of them so much. I remember Klaven playing for them. It was hilarious at the time. Not so hilarious now though.
Conte dodged a bullet not coming here, the board did him a favour snubbing him. I don't think I can imagine the acrimony from the fans if a similar fallout happened to him and how many nose's he'd have to put out of joint. It would be "Mourinho 2.0" with bells on from the fans, "I told you so" bollocks and claiming Conte has turned Ole's nice work into a toxic waste ground already with his managerial style. The fans, the board and the players are simply not ready for Conte to step in.
The defensive blunders were funny, but he had them attacking from the get go.
Why are people doing Klopp comparisons? 
Rangnick is only an interim or have you forgotten?
Rangnick is only an interim or have you forgotten?
Liverpool was an average team when Klopp took over. He got in hungry players and tuned them to his style. He still did a Gen Gen pressing right from day 1. Yes, consistent results never happened until couple of years but that was expected with his quality of the squad he inherited.
Now we have set of highly paid mercenaries who won't listen to anyone or who thinks they are above everyone. Just clear them out and start on a clean state. For all I care, everyone of them can leave .
We aren't getting top 4 this season. Would rather prepare for next season and a new manager. I'm glad this is coming out now. Ralf knows who needs to go and he can get the new manager what he wants for next season.
Now we have set of highly paid mercenaries who won't listen to anyone or who thinks they are above everyone. Just clear them out and start on a clean state. For all I care, everyone of them can leave .
We aren't getting top 4 this season. Would rather prepare for next season and a new manager. I'm glad this is coming out now. Ralf knows who needs to go and he can get the new manager what he wants for next season.
Wouldn't be surprised if he tells us thanks but no thanks come the end of the season and buggers off.
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He's an interim for starters, and secondly it's not your fecking job as a player to question the manager. They are an absolute disgrace, the club is in an absolute shambles and we look like a laughing stock out in public for all to see because of these spoiled petulant children.
They do things like this and have the gall to complain about a manager who's barely been here? I want to see more but i'll get banned if I do, i hate the whole lot of them, there is barely a player in that dressing room that is fit to wear the damn shirt, bunch of wannabes and children.
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I'm not convinced by 4-2-2-2, but as seen in the second tweet, these issues go far beyond formations. It doesn't matter if we play 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 3-4-3 or 5-0-5 as long as no one can play a pass or move to receive one.
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"The same source also stressed that Rangnick's plans were disrupted in December, when the club had to close their Carrington training ground after a Covid outbreak, and that this has had an effect on performances."
Most people expected us to struggle early on, it would have been more of a shock if he'd had an Ole style bounce effect on the results, so I don't know where all this negative crap is coming from really, he is just here to teach them proper football for the next manager to build on, lay the foundations for what will hopefully stop us playing antique football once and for all, and harking back to the good old days for ever more.
If this is just Rangwick taking them out of their comfort zone, and not been as likeable as Ole was, then we have truly sad players in our ranks.
If this is just Rangwick taking them out of their comfort zone, and not been as likeable as Ole was, then we have truly sad players in our ranks.
For those who haven't seen it, this is what he's up against:
How? How can professional football players play this bad? Not just professional football players in fact, the best paid professional footballers in the league.
Shameful. They should be made to rewatch this.
The City one is even worse. Look at McTominay just hiding behind De Bruyne. He's fine when it's a physical match up but he should never be a go-to against more technical players.
How? How can professional football players play this bad? Not just professional football players in fact, the best paid professional footballers in the league.
Shameful. They should be made to rewatch this.
The City one is even worse. Look at McTominay just hiding behind De Bruyne. He's fine when it's a physical match up but he should never be a go-to against more technical players.
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I mean it’s always possible, that the players after that one match decided they weren’t going to follow the instruction any more and just do what they want. I think if that were the case, given how important pressing is to the manager, we’d have seen a bigger reaction from Ralf, like changing the whole side or something like that. Historically it doesn’t seem like he’s someone who would just be chilled about half his players completely ignoring what he’s told them.
Maybe we’ll see something happen for the next fixture..
I’m with you on the losing the ball front, it’s incredibly frustrating and seemed to get worse against Wolves.
However, I think that one is a bit more clearly on the players and/or a more difficult thing for a manager to fix (training players to position themselves better in possession etc). Pressing should not be that difficult to get players doing, and the fact we saw him get the players pressing quite well in his first few minutes ever makes it incredibly baffling. Not that I think the pressing itself is the most important thing ever mind, it’s just quite a good barometer of how well the manager is getting through to players I think.
And so was Ole.Why are people doing Klopp comparisons?
Rangnick is only an interim or have you forgotten?
I can only assume it wasn't sustainable during the covid problems and with present fitness, so he got them to reduce the press. They only managed it for 20 minutes in the first place. Ridiculous.
Op needs change this to red ralph.
Bollox to all this fan hate. I'm behind him.
Bollox to all this fan hate. I'm behind him.
And you would do this in a normal workplace, your fecked off.
Bang average players. We need stability.
I swear he does it on purpose, the player in front of him doesn’t even see his position and yet Scott still maintains being his shadow.
If he stayed still he’d become available more, like a broken clock that’s right twice a day, but he literally shadows opposition forwards so we can’t pass to him.
You mean the season he came midway in it without having summer market ? He also reached two finals in it.
And the 2nd 4th place finish was accompanied by reaching a CL final.
Yeah but I don't think Ragnick's gonna get the job full term especially with how things are going. Ole had an insane run when he arrived.
its clear the players don't believe in what he's doing. Some of our players may be shit houses but they will respond to a good coach. My own opinion is Ralph's out his depth at United.
I see our midfielders and attackers do that hiding business a lot and keep saying I can't believe what I'm seeing. Anybody that plays football at any level knows how to find the space, give the angle and receive the ball in that position. He even has time to scan and pick where he will turn to and who he will pass to. Such basic, basic stuff and we're seeing players fail to do it at Manchester fecking United! Bunch of no-hopers.
By the standards of our fans on here finishing 2nd last season and losing a final was considered a failure worthy of being sacked.
Anyway, I don’t really agree that Klopp was shit or whatever. Just that progress isn’t always easy to judge and certainly league positions, semi finals and finals don’t necessarily prove anything.
Under Ole, we did ok on paper but it wasn’t particularly convincing that we were moving forward. It was simply too up and down. I think most could see what Klopp was trying to achieve.
I do wonder with those leaks whether they imagine it will create sympathy for the players, but surely they realise it does exactly the opposite.
Alternatively, someone from the coaching staff is running a false flag operation in order to stoke sympathy for the manager
Didn’t realise Scott was this bad
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2 minutes of beautiful non-league football
In my honest opinion there are 3 very key elements for Ralf system to work with us and it surrounds 3 players. Ironically imo the 3 players concerned haven't or have been playing since the covid break.
1. Lindelof needs to play, he's probably our only defender that can find forward passes with some sort of accuracy and stop the lateral none sense Varane and Maguire are known for. Especially Maguire who is a master at holding the ball for 30 seconds before passing it to Luke Shaw.
2. Fred needs to play, Freds pressing is key and another thing he's also underrated at is winning those second balls when the opposition team does boot the ball up after a successful press, we struggled at this against Wolves.
3. Ronaldo needs to be dropped. Simple. I do think it's only a matter of time till Ralf does this unless his hands are being tied.
1. Lindelof needs to play, he's probably our only defender that can find forward passes with some sort of accuracy and stop the lateral none sense Varane and Maguire are known for. Especially Maguire who is a master at holding the ball for 30 seconds before passing it to Luke Shaw.
2. Fred needs to play, Freds pressing is key and another thing he's also underrated at is winning those second balls when the opposition team does boot the ball up after a successful press, we struggled at this against Wolves.
3. Ronaldo needs to be dropped. Simple. I do think it's only a matter of time till Ralf does this unless his hands are being tied.
that pass at the end!!!
I'm backing Rangnick 100% in this player v manager debate. The same players who cannot pass a football without over or underhitting it don't deserve blind support. Until we get a proper midfield we'll always get dominated by the likes of Moutinho and Neves who are technically proficient and can receive, turn and pass the ball within 2 seconds. Doesn't matter who is in charge.
It's not to say Rangnick hasn't made mistakes though. Shouldn't have taken off Greenwood, needs to balance game time for Ronaldo, Cavani and Matic according to their age and needs to find a formation that has Sancho, Greenwood and Bruno playing together. Those three are our best creators and we need to overload on creativity up front when we have none in midfield.
I find it pathetic from the media and their 'sources at the club' to label Rangnick's methods as unsuitable when had Bruno's effort gone in or Sancho/Cavani had passed the ball, we could've won and it would be all sunshine and rainbows. Feels like they had the headlines prepared just in case.
It's not to say Rangnick hasn't made mistakes though. Shouldn't have taken off Greenwood, needs to balance game time for Ronaldo, Cavani and Matic according to their age and needs to find a formation that has Sancho, Greenwood and Bruno playing together. Those three are our best creators and we need to overload on creativity up front when we have none in midfield.
I find it pathetic from the media and their 'sources at the club' to label Rangnick's methods as unsuitable when had Bruno's effort gone in or Sancho/Cavani had passed the ball, we could've won and it would be all sunshine and rainbows. Feels like they had the headlines prepared just in case.
I don’t think anyone is fully convinced by Rangnick, but the players have seriously misjudged the situation if they think fans are going to sympathise with them turning on a manager only weeks in.
A year in sure, a few months possibly, but throwing him under the bus after only a few weeks makes them look like total idiots and spoilt brats, and the fans have seen that straight away and are beginning to turn on them..
A year in sure, a few months possibly, but throwing him under the bus after only a few weeks makes them look like total idiots and spoilt brats, and the fans have seen that straight away and are beginning to turn on them..
Yea agreed.
I was all for Rangnick and was happy when he joined, but if I'm being honest I didn't know much about him other than few videos of him talking about football, in which he sounded brilliant. In reality he hasn't coached a team in a long time, and his achievements as a manager while admirable, are no where near what other current top level managers have achieved.
Now look at our broken team, they're having the worst time of their lives, and most of them have zero confidence and it shows in the way they play. I'm not saying it's the manager's fault that we have a mentally weak team with no leadership, but at the end of the day that's what we have, and that I think required a manager who could inspire and motivate more than anything else. Ralf talks a good game but he doesn't look like a good man manager, he sounds like a robot and our players currently need more than that.
It's easy to say let's do another clear out, in reality we know that's impossible, we struggle to sell players and the glazers won't fork half a billion on another rebuild. We need someone who can get the best out of the current group while making smart additions to address our issues, it's not always about tactics, certainly I think the problem with the current group is more phycological than anything else. In that sense I think we made a mistake by not going for Conte, who is a proven world class winner.
Again, I'm not saying that the players aren't to blame, I wish they were mature and professional enough to do the right thing, but that's what we're left with.
Also I think it's entirely possible that every managerial hiring since fergie has been a complete mistake, it's hard to believe that we failed to get a top manager for more than 8 years, but honestly we were that incompetent. There's no way we'd be where we are now had we hired Klopp or Pep. Ole and Moyes were never good enough for the job, Rangnick, Van gaal, and Mourinho are all has beens.
I don't know how can we get out of this, I certainly don't think Rangnick will be sacked, but if it's true that the players aren't happy with him, then we're about to have our worst season in decades. I just hope that our next manager will competent enough to lift us from rock bottom.
Now look at our broken team, they're having the worst time of their lives, and most of them have zero confidence and it shows in the way they play. I'm not saying it's the manager's fault that we have a mentally weak team with no leadership, but at the end of the day that's what we have, and that I think required a manager who could inspire and motivate more than anything else. Ralf talks a good game but he doesn't look like a good man manager, he sounds like a robot and our players currently need more than that.
It's easy to say let's do another clear out, in reality we know that's impossible, we struggle to sell players and the glazers won't fork half a billion on another rebuild. We need someone who can get the best out of the current group while making smart additions to address our issues, it's not always about tactics, certainly I think the problem with the current group is more phycological than anything else. In that sense I think we made a mistake by not going for Conte, who is a proven world class winner.
Again, I'm not saying that the players aren't to blame, I wish they were mature and professional enough to do the right thing, but that's what we're left with.
Also I think it's entirely possible that every managerial hiring since fergie has been a complete mistake, it's hard to believe that we failed to get a top manager for more than 8 years, but honestly we were that incompetent. There's no way we'd be where we are now had we hired Klopp or Pep. Ole and Moyes were never good enough for the job, Rangnick, Van gaal, and Mourinho are all has beens.
I don't know how can we get out of this, I certainly don't think Rangnick will be sacked, but if it's true that the players aren't happy with him, then we're about to have our worst season in decades. I just hope that our next manager will competent enough to lift us from rock bottom.
Matic playing a shitty blind backheel in midfield and complains when it isn't retrieved.
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The way I see it we have a few options:
a. Trust Rangnick's methods, let him have the rest of the season with the new coaches, and see if we improve.
b. Scrap Rangnick, and try to hire someone else midseason.
c. Give in to player power, and do a weird hybrid, not fully committed but try to limp to the best possible league finish.
Of those, we're obviously going for the first one. Rangnick - love or hate what we've seen so far - knows more about football than this forum combined. He also has daily access to the players, sees them in training and so forth. Unlike somone like Ole - Rangnick is a footballing brain in a jar, by all accounts he's obsessed with football and has been for decades. He'll obsess about this team and come up with something.
Let's give him some time that isn't covid-disrupted, and see what happens.
a. Trust Rangnick's methods, let him have the rest of the season with the new coaches, and see if we improve.
b. Scrap Rangnick, and try to hire someone else midseason.
c. Give in to player power, and do a weird hybrid, not fully committed but try to limp to the best possible league finish.
Of those, we're obviously going for the first one. Rangnick - love or hate what we've seen so far - knows more about football than this forum combined. He also has daily access to the players, sees them in training and so forth. Unlike somone like Ole - Rangnick is a footballing brain in a jar, by all accounts he's obsessed with football and has been for decades. He'll obsess about this team and come up with something.
Let's give him some time that isn't covid-disrupted, and see what happens.
Starting to think Rangnick hasn’t won over the players with the MLS collection of coaches.
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