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2 years later he still hasn't changed. Hell, I even mentioned 4 years ago if this boy can't curl a ball and stays obsessed with the knuckleball he will be limited use as a footballer.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marcus-rashford-2019-20-performances.448822/post-25114111

Every year I mention he has a 1/10 success rate with his pathetic dribbling. Every year I'm told he will get it right next year. Or he's a 'confidence' player. Or he's being 'played out of position'. Or my favourite.. 'he needs a rest'

Please stop. He is a notch above Daniel James and that's about it.
 

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Major difference is Rooney and Ronaldo were on upwards trend while Rashford is not showing anything like that.
If Rashford was that then he would be the only one in our whole squad that is in an upward trend compared to Ronaldo Rooney, Tevez, Carrick, Rio, Vidic, Evra who were always improving to the level of winning CL'S.
 

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Whenever Sancho gets the ball I always feel like anything can happen because he takes such good care of the ball and more times than not makes the right decision, whether it is to pass or dribble, with Rashford, I have had no expectation for two seasons now, I just don't see him as a threat to the opposition, I doubt any full back is ever worried by him, all he is really good for is running in behind the defense, I am trying to remember in my time of watching man utd a worse winger with the ball at his feet, I literally expect him to always lose the ball when he attempts a dribble, I have never seen him win a header, he always jumps but never wins it despite being about 6ft tall, he can never be a centre forward because his hold up play is diabolical as he always gives the ball away and can't link the play and it was appalling looking at the stark difference in threat level between him and Sancho when they swapped wings against Sothampton.

What on Earth has happened to the Marcus Rashford from the 19/20 season he was almost unplayable but now it feels like he has a twin brother who is playing in his place because this is definitely not the same player. I don't care that he scored a few goals last season, he was not the same player, all the threat he possesses is gone, and he is so easy to mark out of the game once the ball gets to his feet, all he does is kill all the attacks we have when he gets the ball, the only threat he provides is when he runs in behind the defence, but then except for the square pass for Sancho to score, he always shoots from an impossible angle and its always saved or goes wide, maybe if he squared it a bit more we might have not been in such a predicament.

I have been waiting for the 19/20 Rashford to return but Pigs will fly before that happens so I have lost all hope of that, and I always hear rubbish like "if he was coached by pep he would be so much better", I don't buy that because, I don't ever recall Pep coaching a player so technically deficient and plays with his head down 95% of the time and never looks up or is aware of his surrounding, Man City score a lot of simple goals because all their players are so unselfish but at our club, everybody want the glory and they all shoot instead of trying to set each other up.

Ragnick is a tactical coach and I feel like something must definitely be up that he was somehow willing to let all our technically better players leave and keep the more direct players and I'll count Lingard amongst the technical players, it feels like Ragnick is not in control and why is his boss Fletcher sitting on the bench with him, This whole situation is an absolute shambles, and If Fletcher is still sitting on the bench when the new manager gets in, then I bet there won't be a difference from what we are seeing now.

I was really hopeful of a top four finish but we are so unbalanced right now it is ridiculous, Ronaldo has never been a Centre forward, he always starts from out wide and goes wherever he want, and now we ask him to be a focal point of our attack, Cavani is counting the days until he leaves, he has already checked out, I never thought Mason was ready to be a centre forward yet but thats irrelevant now, and Rashford will never be a good centre forward, so this season is probably gone we might get lucky and qualify for the europa league. But we have to do whatever it takes to get Haaland next season because the £200 million it will take to get Harry Kane should be used to Fix the midfield, and if we don't get Haaland, its going to be a very long season
 

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When people talk about Rashford getting ‘back to his best’ they’re referring to a time when he looked like a promising, developing young player. Shouldn’t the expectation by now that he’s significantly better than that, instead of undeniably worse?
 

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Not sure about sing numbers to compare Rashford to Rooney/ Ronaldo, two players who were terrors beyond simply getting on the score sheet. Ronaldo started as a winger in a 442 not a 433 wide forward. Wingers then had a lot of crossing and support duty for the strikers, very different from the way inside forwards play today in 433. Rooney was a complete striker who could have more goals if he was only committed to shooting every time he got the ball.
 

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Not sure about sing numbers to compare Rashford to Rooney/ Ronaldo, two players who were terrors beyond simply getting on the score sheet. Ronaldo started as a winger in a 442 not a 433 wide forward. Wingers then had a lot of crossing and support duty for the strikers, very different from the way inside forwards play today in 433. Rooney was a complete striker who could have more goals if he was only committed to shooting every time he got the ball.
It's a rather lazy comparison, which is rather normal, people just don't understand better these days.
 

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Are we to suffer more of this donkey breaking down every attack and leaving the men behind him exposed tonight?
 

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He should keep it simple, he is tripping over himself at the moment.
 

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If Rashford was that then he would be the only one in our whole squad that is in an upward trend compared to Ronaldo Rooney, Tevez, Carrick, Rio, Vidic, Evra who were always improving to the level of winning CL'S.
Well i agree but then we should not compare him to Rooney and Ronaldo. Stats may be similar but Rooney and Ronaldo also initially played in a dysfunctional team and then both of them carried the team in 2006.

Rashford has shown nothing to suggest he can do the same for this team.
 

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If someone came in and offered 60 million for him would you take it ? Serious question
60 million for Rashford would be a robbery only surpassed by 80 million for Maguire! :lol: I'd carry him on my back to the potential lunatic to pay that price.

40 million sounds about right.
 

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He is a notch above Daniel James and that's about it.
His numbers suggest you are wrong, I think he has far more to him. His issue is I think when he came through he was humble, grounded and hard working, listening to him of late because of all he has achieved he seems to have bought into his hype and plays selfishly and arrogantly. Combine that with the fact we are looking to control games more and play with a high line with pressure; That's the opposite of what Rashford is, he thrives against the bigger teams and the last minutes of the game because he's a counter attacking player, I don't think he suits what we are trying to do or how we are trying to play, that's why he looked brilliant under Ole as he would play counter attacking football.
 

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What's with the absolute disregard for helping his full back defend?

Last game and the Saints, whenever he swapped wings with Sancho, they started attacking us with success from whichever side Rashford had swapped to. Go check the game for yourself. Mental!

There's a clip where they had a shot against us, and in the frame you could see Rashford casually jogging behind the play, never once attempting to get involved. It actually seemed Southampton targeted whichever side he was on, as that would align with their manager's comments after the game
 

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Even if he performs bad I hope he can get an assist or score today.

It would show he is back in to some productive aspect of form even if his performances have not been good enough.
 

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Name one player who has been doing quite good in the last 18 months? Forget good game, name one player who has showed some kind of improvement ?

We as a whole team has been declining for about 18 months now.
And that's why there's no-one in the team (with the exception of Sancho) I wouldn't sell including Rashford. Most unlikeable United team I've seen in the 40 odd years supporting them. Comparable to dry rot.
 

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Does anyone actually think he has the tools to play on the right?

He's unable to beat the defender and his passing and crossing is actually quite poor. Further he can't cut in and shoot which is all he wants to do. Nor does he track back.

We're surely going to get someone who can play that position properly at some point so Rashford is going to end up as a bench warmer.
 

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Does anyone actually think he has the tools to play on the right?

He's unable to beat the defender and his passing and crossing is actually quite poor. Further he can't cut in and shoot which is all he wants to do. Nor does he track back.

We're surely going to get someone who can play that position properly at some point so Rashford is going to end up as a bench warmer.
I am about 99% sure he cant play on the right. I dont usually see footballer that looks so uncomfortable on the football pitch like he does. When he gets the ball he does not know what to do, when he is played in behind he loses the ball after 1/2 good touches, his crossing is poor, his tracking back is the worst in the team.

I mean I see no purpose of Rashford on the right, he is actually so poor there.
 

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I am about 99% sure he cant play on the right. I dont usually see footballer that looks so uncomfortable on the football pitch like he does. When he gets the ball he does not know what to do, when he is played in behind he loses the ball after 1/2 good touches, his crossing is poor, his tracking back is the worst in the team.

I mean I see no purpose of Rashford on the right, he is actually so poor there.
Damn.
 

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So 2 years of bad form is nothing, righttt.
Read the convo again. Poster said, his best is in the past. My point is , when the while team has been declining for about 18 months how can you pinpoint one player and say, he is done and his best is in the past ?
 

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He looks like someone who is trying to be the difference in a game. While that is what we expect of him...what HE needs to do for his career is to go back to basics. We don’t expect Elanga to win games by himself. He needs to concentrate on being safe in possession first, using the ball adequately, giving us 6/10 performances that are solid. Making the runs he still makes but perhaps less of the headless chicken stuff.

Once his confidence and performances level off...then he can expand his game again.
 

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In the Premier League, Ronaldo's seasons with us before sodding off and Rooneys years with us up to 09/10.


Rashford since jan 21, we're talking 8 goals and 8 assists in 2465 minutes. Trajectory being a bit of a concern, but overall performances is more of a crisis really.

Not that the numbers matter all that much, bit weird comparison either way. Maybe some people didn't watch matches back in those days. Rooneys career is quite brilliant and people still think he failed to live up to his potential, pretty much says it all about how impressive he was as a youngster, had it all combined with an insane work rate. Perhaps people just recall his last seasons at the club and him falling out with Fergie, but it's hardly a long list of players that you'd rather have in your team over Wayne Rooney, doubt the same will ever be said about Rashford.

Rashford will probably improve his stats, doubt he'll continue to be as poor as he has both in terms of performances and goal/assists contributions, but it would be a huge surprise if he ever gets anywhere close to the type of all round performances that we got from Rooney and Ronaldo over the years. Brilliant if he does, but somewhat unlikely. Came on against West Ham and scored a crucial goal in pretty much the last second, but with 30 mins on the pitch he was barely involved, 13 touches is pretty much what Martial managed when he came on with 8 mins to go, double what Cavani had but he played an entirely different role. He scored, which was brilliant, but with that much time on the pitch and the role he comes on to play you expect him to get much much more involved in the general play and impose himself, be an overall threat, 8 passes in 30 mins, rather odd.
 

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If someone came in and offered 60 million for him would you take it ? Serious question
We should without question even a bid of 40 million should not be rejected out of hand.
I would not sell him for less then 100. He is big star, feeds the kids, English, big brand, 24 yo, selling him for less would be stupid. If we can buy Lamp Post for 80m, we can sell one of the Prima Donnas for 100.
We should learn how to do transfers, not over pay, not under sell. Am I asking for much?
On the other hand, Manc born and bred, one of our own, big star, big brand, big value, probably will get new contract on 350k, 400 k per week to protect the value. I can only imagine how he will "play" then.

Read here few day ago: "If Fergie was 20 years younger, he would be in his second season at Newcastle". Agree. Then, we were football club. Now we are marketing agency.
And as long we are marketing agency, we will get stars, brands, Diva players with no desire, no brain, no kojones, player power, big wages and egos size of OT (and bigger).
God, I really dislike 90% of the team.
 

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I think Rashford needs a complete revision regarding where he is as a footballer and I genuinely think he needs to move on from us.

Unlike some here, I still rate him quite highly but there's just something clearly not there with Rashford and United. There's a tiredness there.
He doesn't play with any spark or expression for us now. He's constantly got the look of someone who looks indifferent. The recent winner against West Ham was generally the last time he looked happy but since then he's resorted to looking and playing like a guy who's got his mind elsewhere.

The only way I can see Rashford getting back into any form would be out of here. He needs a fresh challenge to spark himself back into life.

Wouldn't be at-all surprised to see him move on in the summer and I think PSG would be a great option and challenge for him if they show the rumoured interest.
 

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To say that he is underperforming would be kind to him. He has turned into a really bad football player.
 

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He'd be absolutely mint in a proper team with discipline where you're dropped if you're not performing. Under Fergie he would have been immense. I feel like at the club there's just so many problems it's hard to he consistently great.
 

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His numbers suggest you are wrong, I think he has far more to him. His issue is I think when he came through he was humble, grounded and hard working, listening to him of late because of all he has achieved he seems to have bought into his hype and plays selfishly and arrogantly. Combine that with the fact we are looking to control games more and play with a high line with pressure; That's the opposite of what Rashford is, he thrives against the bigger teams and the last minutes of the game because he's a counter attacking player, I don't think he suits what we are trying to do or how we are trying to play, that's why he looked brilliant under Ole as he would play counter attacking football.
Yes, people like to go completely overboard like that patch over James part or Welbeck being a better player. He has it in his locker to be great or if nothing a lot better than he is now but something is clearly wrong. For instance that game in which he didnt even try to get on the ball parried by the keeper but just stood there (cant remember which one). He's of form, something is going in his head cause of which he's heart isn't in it or he's of form cause of all that or a mix. In any case its a bad situation and a bad look at the moment.
 

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Will never look good playing from the right, does not suit his skill set and style at all.
 

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Its so daft, Sancho who was brought to be played on the right plays left and Rashford who doesnt like playing on the right gets played there.
 

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Its so daft, Sancho who was brought to be played on the right plays left and Rashford who doesnt like playing on the right gets played there.
I'm not sure you been watching the game.

Rashford ineffective on both wings

Sancho is on form, his best football for us coming from the LW.
 

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I'm not sure you been watching the game.

Rashford ineffective on both wings

Sancho is on form, his best football for us coming from the LW.
True that, I havent watched last 2 games and true about Sancho. Dont know what the solution. In any case he shouldnt be played every game, no point right now.
 

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I'm not sure you been watching the game.

Rashford ineffective on both wings

Sancho is on form, his best football for us coming from the LW.
Rashfords fans (of which there are less and less on here with each passing month) can’t seem to get their heads around this at all. He’s just as effective on the right when he contributes nothing on either side. Entering Martial territory with him. Hopefully another strong warning sign to the club to stop giving so much so soon and to reign it in when it comes to contracts and publicity with improving players.
 

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Not sure about sing numbers to compare Rashford to Rooney/ Ronaldo, two players who were terrors beyond simply getting on the score sheet. Ronaldo started as a winger in a 442 not a 433 wide forward. Wingers then had a lot of crossing and support duty for the strikers, very different from the way inside forwards play today in 433. Rooney was a complete striker who could have more goals if he was only committed to shooting every time he got the ball.
Forget the stats, Rooney and Ronaldo after 250 games were genuine world class players. Rashford is fighting for a spot with Elanga atm, there is no world where he should even be mentioned in the same breath as them.

Like you said Ronaldo was a winger in a 442 in an era where 7-12 goals was the expectation for non strikers. Rooney scored, created and more importantly did an incredible amount of off the ball work for the team.
 

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I'm not sure you been watching the game.

Rashford ineffective on both wings

Sancho is on form, his best football for us coming from the LW.
Sancho also prefers playing from the left according to Rangnick.
 
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Read the convo again. Poster said, his best is in the past. My point is , when the while team has been declining for about 18 months how can you pinpoint one player and say, he is done and his best is in the past ?
Because, regardless of the team's form, when you look at Rashford individually, nearly every aspect of his game has declined. That would indicate he may be past his prime.
 
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