Stats in the absence of context mean nothing (assuming they are correct). If g/a stats on their own were relevant then Lukaku would still be waddling around up front for us and everyone on this forum agrees that he is pantaloons. Mind you, that fatass still put in more effort than Rashford has done in recent times. Hopefully that is changing now though given that he actually did close down a bit when he came on at the weekend.
Is Rashford better than the likes of Saint Maximin?
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This is very true, many of the players seem to have adopted fan hate that is all based on some extra curricular agenda. Rashford by all accounts hasn't been fantastic but he certainly hasn't warranted some of the criticism he's come under which always isn't far off a personal insult or two or something to do with his charitable deeds.
Apart from err… yeah it is. Goals win games which is kinda the point. That and the fact he has been amongst our top scorers and assists for the last few seasons, even playing through injury.
We finished second in the league and got to a European final last season playing with ‘ three people who all want to score and take shots’ playing together, so I guess it must work. What kind of striker doesn’t want to score and take shots? You’re talking out of your sphincter mate.
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A year and a half ago he was compared to Mbappe. Now he is suddenly belowe Saint Maximin
A year and a half ago he was compared to Mbappe. Now he is suddenly belowe Saint Maximin
Yes the stats are correct, since 1st Jan 2020 so the last two years as that was what I was quoting.
Lukaku is a bizarre comparison since he plays a completely different position and role but yes, during the same timeframe he has scored 50 goals and made 17 assists.
If you would like further context, Lukaku has played a total of 7481 minutes in that time and averages a G/A every 112 minutes, Rashford has played 6456 minutes and averages a G/A every 122 minutes.
So essentially, despite being a centre forward rather than a winger, playing the majority of his football in a considerably weaker league, playing for a better side in that weaker league, not playing the vast majority of last season clearly injured and supposedly being in his prime years, Lukaku still only just edges Rashford for goal involvements which is all rather comical given he's supposedly worth £90m and this forum would have you believe Rashford is useless.
** stands and applauds** Exactly. No good ASM and Traore beating 50 players and then playing a terrible pass or shooting well wide.
No, it doesn't work because we've won jackshit for 5 years and we lost the EL final. We also barely got over 70 points, something that probably will barely get us top 4 this year.
So yes, it's not good enough and Rashford is not a good enough winger for United, as much as the club, blinded fans here and the British press would like you to believe.
When did Rashford become a winger?
Hogwash. I have functioning eyes and watch games. Rashford had total freedom to play on the shoulder of the last man for the last 2 years. Under Ole he had less defensive responsibility than any other player in the league. He's about as much of a winger as Lukaku is. The comparison is more than valid.
By the way, I'm not saying Rashy is as bad as Rom (few are) but I am saying that g/a need to be used in conjunction with common sense. He has been bad for the last 2(ish) years. I hope he turns it around.
Just like Sancho scored 50 goals in a team in the Bundesliga that scores double the average PL team, Saint Max plays for a team that has one of the worst goal scoring records in the league. Context matters.
I like Rashford but if you swap the two, there's no doubt in my mind Rashford struggles and St Max looks better. Technically St Max is on another level, Rashford has improved a lot but his base was always a striker shunted out wide, he'll never hit the heights of someone like Mane because he's never had that raw on the ball ability, whereas St Max has, he just needs to a) play for an attacking team with some actually good players b) have a midfield to actually make some forward passes c) have a coach tell him to run in behind.
I like Rashford but if you swap the two, there's no doubt in my mind Rashford struggles and St Max looks better. Technically St Max is on another level, Rashford has improved a lot but his base was always a striker shunted out wide, he'll never hit the heights of someone like Mane because he's never had that raw on the ball ability, whereas St Max has, he just needs to a) play for an attacking team with some actually good players b) have a midfield to actually make some forward passes c) have a coach tell him to run in behind.
If Rashford played in Newcastle for the last 3 years , would he produce the same impact as Saint Maximin ? My answer is No . With the shit midfielders and defense line, and a mediocre manager, without Saint Maximin Newcastle must have relegated already.
Compare stats between Saint Maximin and Rashford does not give you concrete support to the conclusion, you have to look into the games and see what the players produced and make impact. One example, Mane before moving to Liverpool , his best season in PL just managed to score 11 goals in 37 games; Diego Jota was 9 goals in 33 games; Both way worse than Rashford 19/20 season for 17 goals / 31 games. Would you say Mane or Jota way worse than Rashford back then ?
We may have our opinions how to interpret performances and players' true levels, but calling this thread ridiculous is actually ridiculous .
Compare stats between Saint Maximin and Rashford does not give you concrete support to the conclusion, you have to look into the games and see what the players produced and make impact. One example, Mane before moving to Liverpool , his best season in PL just managed to score 11 goals in 37 games; Diego Jota was 9 goals in 33 games; Both way worse than Rashford 19/20 season for 17 goals / 31 games. Would you say Mane or Jota way worse than Rashford back then ?
We may have our opinions how to interpret performances and players' true levels, but calling this thread ridiculous is actually ridiculous .
Maybe not fair given this Newcastle side, but the logic that forwards would score more in better teams, with better service, falls on its arse regularly.
At better teams you also share the scoring with other forwards, don't get as much space, face teams parking the bus and not having a go like they used to when they were at home and you were the visiting Villa/Leeds/Brighton/whatever.
In fact, I can think of a lot more examples of players "stepping up" and scoring less than those that scored more goals.
Saint Max, feckin'ell, Marcus needs to grow some dreadlocks pronto.
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Regardless of who anyone thinks is better, your comparison is a pretty pointless waste of time dude. You’re comparing a player with a top 4 team against a player who’s fighting relegation most seasons.
Have you actually seen how bad Newcastle have been last few years and how bad the players around him are?
Bad example tbh as I think St Maximin is class.
That tweet says a lot of nothing. You could say that about any player who isn't performing. Just because he is home grown doesn't mean he will be here long term if he isn't performing and justifying his wages. There was no insider or new information shared.
Marcus given the freedom to do whatever the feck he likes, you'd bet he'd have a hell of a lot more end product in that team. Newcastle rely on him and he frequently fecks up good positions with terrible finishing and running into dead ends.
I don't think it's a dig at ASM, to me there's always been a question mark about just how good Rashford is. His PL stats last year in a "good year" don't really stand out and there are plenty of players around him who had a similar G+A count who I'm sure many would deem not good enough for United. Rashford had 11/9 goals/assist, Ollie Watkins 14/5, Bamford 17/7 and the list goes on.
I'm sure at some point in the next year or two he'll be making noises about an improved contract and I'm not sure he'd be worth it based on what he's producing on the pitch.
Rashford is closing in on 100 goals for Manchester United and for a 24 year old, that's some achievement.
Saint-Maximin is clearly talented and rightly coveted but he has nowhere near the output of Rashford, and that's taking into account the difference between the respective clubs.
Players that you bring through will always have those exaggerated little peaks and troughs of form as they learn to come back from injuries or play with them. There were times in Giggs and Scholes careers when they were absolute mince and fans were calling for them to be dropped. Giggs had to learn how to play within himself as he knew he couldn't risk his hamstring.
I will admit that Rashford has hit some pretty low lows over the last few seasons, but he still has the same quality that made him more consistent two seasons back.
Saint-Maximin is clearly talented and rightly coveted but he has nowhere near the output of Rashford, and that's taking into account the difference between the respective clubs.
Players that you bring through will always have those exaggerated little peaks and troughs of form as they learn to come back from injuries or play with them. There were times in Giggs and Scholes careers when they were absolute mince and fans were calling for them to be dropped. Giggs had to learn how to play within himself as he knew he couldn't risk his hamstring.
I will admit that Rashford has hit some pretty low lows over the last few seasons, but he still has the same quality that made him more consistent two seasons back.
You want a bit of both imo.
A S M+R.
A S M+R.
Tbh Rashford has been playing the last year as if he’s got the freedom to do whatever he likes too. Gives the ball away repeatedly with zero effort to get it back. Not sure he’d have done any better in the Newcastle team. He’s not a player who can take a game by the scruff of the neck.
Watch rashford vs Spurs a couple of years back..
He is not on form . but when he is .. he is a different player
Yea i know what the thread meant but St Max is a bad example as I think he's much better than the likes of Rashford.
I'm unsure about Rashford being top quality. Hopefully he's now over his injuries and the last two goals can see him kick on. I'd love the wrong about him.
He's had a major injury for the majority of the last year or been in recovery and is still proven to be more prolific than ASM. I'm pretty sure he'd love the space to run into that ASM gets at Newcastle, as a low block isn't great for our attackers and we generally dominate possession.
I switched over to the Newcastle game. That player is simply way better than Rashford.
I wonder who are the Manes and van Dijks these days, at lower level clubs. ASM is clearly one of them.
I wonder who are the Manes and van Dijks these days, at lower level clubs. ASM is clearly one of them.
ASM is simply unplayable. Miles better than Rashford, not even a fair comparison
Proving his class yet again. Needs to be moved on if he doesn't get his act together.
Class player this Rashford lad. Amazing game he had so far. Wont swap him with prime Ronaldinho
Right now Rashford is playing like an exhausted fan that has ran on the pitch. There's a very long list of better players.
He looks to me like he doesn’t want to play football any more.
He a talented lad when he’s 100% committed. He maybe needs to take a long hard look at himself and consider retiring if he hates the game as much as his onfield body language suggests.
He a talented lad when he’s 100% committed. He maybe needs to take a long hard look at himself and consider retiring if he hates the game as much as his onfield body language suggests.
Last time rashford looked like a footballer my son was in his diapers and couldn't even crawl, he's out of diapers and potty trained now and knows how to cycle. Meanwhile rashford has regressed, in a couple of years rashford would have regressed onto wearing diapers himself.
Prime maradona and pele aren't fit to either lace his shoes or wash his stained shorts.
They need to do Sir Rashy dirty work on the field
I’d take ASM over most of our forwards. He can at least beat his man and keep the ball under pressure.
Didn't know this thread existed. Never thought Rashford was good, even when he was "playing well" it never looked like he was that good. Lots of people used to point out that it was a fortunate bundle of goals he was getting without him actually putting in much work on the pitch & they'd always get ridiculed for it. ASM on the other hand has had dry spells of not putting up numbers but he always looks good & contributes to the game, acts as a threat at the very least. Rashford is nothing without his numbers, very much all or nothing player that will probably amount to the latter.
Don't know how good is this Saint Maximum. But can't imagine anyone worst than Rashford at the moment.
It's like that West Ham fan who was put in by Arry Redknapp. Redknapp said on that day the fan was better than Lee Chapman.I think even Mykingdomforanus will be better than Rashford now.