Reading the first few posts, it's actually crazy how long Rashford's form has been bad for. Getting to a point where we have to admit it's not just form.
Is Rashford better than the likes of Saint Maximin?
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It had already been almost a year since he had a good game at the time of this thread.
No - but they’re different players.
ASM is a beast! a powerhouse who can take players on, or likes to take them on and use his strength to push through challenges.
Rashford relied on his pace in the main. His actual technical ability is poor for where he has been pitched. Add to that the confidence issues, he’s no where near the all round player ASM is at the moment.
ASM is a beast! a powerhouse who can take players on, or likes to take them on and use his strength to push through challenges.
Rashford relied on his pace in the main. His actual technical ability is poor for where he has been pitched. Add to that the confidence issues, he’s no where near the all round player ASM is at the moment.
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If rashford gives even half of the work rate Saint Maxim is offering, he will do better.
Would Newcastle swap ASM for Rashford? No.
Rashford’s heights as a footballer are better (I don’t think ASM would have the mentality/ability to score the PSG penalty, Chelsea free kick, possibly the Etihad goal) but if you average all of their performances it’s very close.
ASM was sensational today. But one should never judge a footballer based on one game, especially right after it.
Rashford has been off his game for a very long time now so ASM is currently the better player. There is no guarantee that Rashford is able to or has the motivation to get interested in playing again.
Please stop.
ASM's game is all based on the fear of what he can do. But most of the time it's a totally idle threat that comes to nothing.
However, Rashy hasn't worried many teams for a long time now. And simply can't dribble like ASM does.
However, Rashy hasn't worried many teams for a long time now. And simply can't dribble like ASM does.
But the question wasn’t who had the better career. It’s who is the better player right now. Which is clearly ASM and has been for a bit now.
What?
I hate when people reply things like this. If you disagree with something that is said, don’t be fecking lazy, and at least try spending 20 seconds explaining what you don’t agree with
Can't see City sticking 5 defenders on Rashford like they did today with ASM no matter what time in the game
If Saint Maximin played for United our fans would be crying non stop about him. Put both on the market and Rashford goes to a better club for more money.
You're right, it is the worst time, and a couple games into a new season isn't an ideal place to do it either. He was excellent at the start of last season but didn't carry that out over the whole season. He is extremely talented, but he also has a lot deficiencies that he would have to improve on as well as overall consistency to take that next step up.
Having said that, I do think he's been better than Rashford for a while. Rashford has hit brilliant heights, and has some strengths ASM doesn't have, but he needs to get back to a certain level.
Rashford comes from Manchester United and is English. That is why he would go for more money, not because he is better than ASM.
Not at the moment he's not. He's not even close.
I hope I'm wrong but I feel like Raahford is in very very serious danger of doing a Dele.
I hope I'm wrong but I feel like Raahford is in very very serious danger of doing a Dele.
Don’t even know the answer to this to be honest..: we could easily sign saint maximin and he becomes awful. We turn a lot of players into trash… also different players are only good at certain teams… once they move to a big team it might not work. I think rashford would do wonders at Newcastle.
I think people blame that just because it makes headlines. Some players play a few hours of games a night, Rooney was our best player while having affairs, Ronaldo runs a mini-business empire. People don't blame those things because the players played well while they made headlines.
Nobody has went for Saint Maximin. Why is that?
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People would crucify Saint Maximin here - even today when he was brilliant he gave the ball away totally needlessly about 3 or four times just passing it blind to no-one. Its what he does - unpredictable, maverick brilliance combined with power and pace - but sometimes he can be gash because of it. Rashford just seems to have nothing anymore though. He looks a shell of a man at present.
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Dont think they would. Rashford does all the bad stuff without the good stuff. People would have crucified ASM a decade ago, nowadays most would be happy, seeing the dross we have on our wing currently.
ASM has so much potential, but his end product and consistency lets him down a bit. First half terrific, second half no end product. But he is always dangerous and binds defenders. You cannot blame him for not trying.
ASM is on another level at the moment
Rashford is way better.
First of all he's English. Second he feeds the children.
Case closed.
First of all he's English. Second he feeds the children.
Case closed.
Genuinly, it’s more a questionnof who is better, Rashford or Elanga. On current form, Elanga offers more in terms of pace and hard work. Rashford only seems half arsed. It’s been a long while since he dis what Maxim did today.
Don't know how this is even a conversation. Rashford is up there with the worst wingers/forwards in the league, both in terms of output, work rate and overall performance for way over a year now. That's not even me exaggerating. It's just reality. Seriously, name me a winger in the PL who has been worse than him over the last 18 months.
The only thing rashford has going for him is his seemingly untouchable public image and he's obviously well connected with some journos.
Has he reached greater heights than Saint-Maxim ? Sure, but that's about where the debate ends IMO. If a player is 25 and we're still talking about 'potential' then there's a serious problem with said players mentality.
The only thing rashford has going for him is his seemingly untouchable public image and he's obviously well connected with some journos.
Has he reached greater heights than Saint-Maxim ? Sure, but that's about where the debate ends IMO. If a player is 25 and we're still talking about 'potential' then there's a serious problem with said players mentality.
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Insurmountable logic.
He also scores and creates more goals, outscoring AMS by such a big margin that if Rashford retires tomorrow he might still have outscored ASM by the end of both of their careers.
No club who can affort him needs a left winger?
For three years? City spent £100m on one last season.
But this is about Rashford and ASM. They got Grealish who, when at Villa, was better than both. I never claimed that ASM is the best left winger in the world. If you wanted to buy a player right now and could pick between Rashford and ASM i would pick ASM.
Not even a debate and hasn't been for years. Whilst ASM has been improving, Rashford has been regressing. Rashford is one of the worst players in the league. Genuinely offers nothing.
Wasn’t the feeding the kids thing, something that happened 2 years ago?
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, I’m sure than in response to accusations towards the end of 2021, that his “ off the field activities” were affecting his day job, his PR (or people “close to “ his camp) claimed that he hadn’t done as much of the charity work in 2021 and almost none since the start of the season ( that’s last season).
If that‘s the case, that’s over a year ago now.
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You know who Rashford reminds me of? Anthony Joshua.
Both are clearly talented and have achieved a lot but stopped just short of the top and stagnated relatively early. Perhaps they just reached their respective ceiling.
I can't put my finger on it but it feels like it's also something down to the culture, the media, the pressure, the politically correct role model-image that seems to be the common factors. MBE, OBE and what not.
Also feels like that the british media and population alike have too much patriotism/national pride bigging up their own. Either that or they are simply deluded and don't understand how good the talent pool is abroad. Either way it gets painful when reality doesn't match the image.
It's quite funny being an avid boxing fan seeing how some bang average british boxers are hyped up as being top 5-10 in their respective weight class when the reality is they might be top 20-40. Same thing in football. In boxing it's called "he's only fought tomato cans and cab drivers" if there is a prospect from some back water country. In football it's "he's only done it in a farmers league" which means every league besides EPL and La Liga.
Both are clearly talented and have achieved a lot but stopped just short of the top and stagnated relatively early. Perhaps they just reached their respective ceiling.
I can't put my finger on it but it feels like it's also something down to the culture, the media, the pressure, the politically correct role model-image that seems to be the common factors. MBE, OBE and what not.
Also feels like that the british media and population alike have too much patriotism/national pride bigging up their own. Either that or they are simply deluded and don't understand how good the talent pool is abroad. Either way it gets painful when reality doesn't match the image.
It's quite funny being an avid boxing fan seeing how some bang average british boxers are hyped up as being top 5-10 in their respective weight class when the reality is they might be top 20-40. Same thing in football. In boxing it's called "he's only fought tomato cans and cab drivers" if there is a prospect from some back water country. In football it's "he's only done it in a farmers league" which means every league besides EPL and La Liga.
I admit I have a soft spot for Rashford. If he can't improve under this manager though I think that will be enough for me. It's time for him to either step it up or go somewhere there is less pressure to perform.
I’ve been saying for a long time we need to lure ASM in. At least he would be fun watching.
Not happening now but happy for a Rash Maximin swap
Not happening now but happy for a Rash Maximin swap
I'm not British and I've been in his corner since day one. I think it's that he's a good kid, at least that's what it is for me.
But I also think you are correct about the culture. Forwards here seem to stall out short of their potential.