I don't blame him for the absolute shite he has to field. Especially up front.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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He has improved us. But going by today we are miles off winning anything major. That second half it was like we were playing a different sport to city.
Shaw and Maguire have definitely improved from how they were playing for the first few months of the season. Still not great obviously, but not the utter shit that they were earlier.
Left with a squad assembled by an overwhelmed man. I feel for him.. The shit he has to field is not even funny
Name the players in the United squad that would break into Bayern’s starting 11 or squad for that matter. Can’t wait for this…
I think he seems decent. I do think we’d be well in the top 4 if Carrick had stayed on though.
So one has moulded the team to how he wanted it after 3 years, spending 400m+ in the process while the other has came in to an absolute shit show, hasn't had a penny to spend and is 3 points worse off? Do you really think that's a fair comparison to make?Funny you say that.
Ole F14, A11 and Ralf F10, A11 after today. Ole is 3 points and 4 goals better off from the exact same fixtures.
One manager was crucified (rightly so) and lost his job for it, the other is being is being hailed as the best thing since slice bread. The double standards here are pretty damning.
Ole stepped in when the club was pure toxic under Jose and won 10 out his first 11 games didn't he?
No we definitely would not.
Because RR is better than him in that position.
Playing style is important, but managing the team ( man management and player management) are more important imo. There is no other Pep or Klopp stylistically. However, there are good managers that can be great when given appropriate support. For example, Ancelotti in 2010 for Chelsea was not Pep or Mou tactically, but he had the man management skills, understood and implemented solid tactics and had the support of the Chelsea board which allowed them to dominate that year ( despite the fact we should have won that year).
Mancini at City is similar. He had the support of the board, right players and had tactical know how.
One could also say the same for Zidane at Madrid, who has been more successful than any manager outside of Pep over the last 10 years. He understood tactics, but was not some genius. However he had the support from the board, the talent in terms of personnel, man management skills and understood the tactics he wanted to play.
I feel if we hire Pochettino, we can give him these things. We can give him time, support, finances and a platform to show his skills to the rest of the world in a way he could never dream about at Tottenham. This would need us to clear the drama that we currently have from our players, Pogba and CR7, but its something we as a club desperately want to do. It would also give the Arnold and the director of football team a quality manager who can work with what they provide without making a power play like we've seen with LVG and Mourinho.
What we don't need is another LVG who will destroy a team and sell of its players to fit a specific philosophy that will take millions of pound to implement despite having talent there. Forget Pep, we haven't played good football since 2011, we haven't been able to dominate teams since 2011, we haven't been able to control games since 2013. Let's get a manager that can give us those things; we have the finances in place to make sure they are supported
Ole took over a squad miles better than ours now from a manager miles better than him.
How so? What evidence is there to suggest this?
It's not Football Manager where there are attributes listed, you actually need to have a chance to perform before you can be judged.
I hope this result has no other impact than being just a defeat to an excellent City side because i'd hate to see the players throw him under the bus. Top 4 is really difficult but it's not impossible.
There seems a total refusal in our board to go after a top manager in the way we have no problem going after players.
Moyes, Jose and Van Gaal were all out of contract, and Ole was managing in a minor league that was such an easy buy out we took him to be caretaker!
You feel like the club are trying to repeat this again and hope Poch gets sacked.
They can hire who they want, but keep it quiet, then bring Roy Keane into the dressing room and tell the players he is the new manager, just for a laugh.
How successful this little caretaker manager spell is mostly about who the next manager is and how he does.
If we've waited 6 months, almost writing the second half of the season off, and still get the management appointment wrong, you just have to give up and forget about competing again really.
If we've waited 6 months, almost writing the second half of the season off, and still get the management appointment wrong, you just have to give up and forget about competing again really.
No other manager in the history of the game would of won us the PL in 2013, so Yeah. SAF was a miracle worker. He definitely wouldn't win the league with this squad though this season. He may be a miracle worker but he aint God.
Director job is completely different to the manager job so just because he sucks at the latter doesn't mean he will suck at the former. But the club has definitely muddied the water the way they've gone about business here. If the idea was that his long term role is director/consultant they should've given him that role straight away. Now however he will have this failed interim period as baggage when he moves upstairs in the summer.
Under these owners and their cronies, I don’t think it matters who the manager is anymore. Hard to admit but the last nine years have shown it.
We might be about to lose 7 in a row but we’d definitely have more points.
I agree our managers haven't been good enough. But we field a lot of shit that won't get in any top team. McT plays third CB for fecking Scotland but plays week in week out in our CM. AWB isn't even a footballer in my book and miles off even being considered for the NT. Ronaldo and Cavani are way past their best. Bruno blows hot and cold and doesn't get regular starts for the NT. Maguire shits bis pants every time a ball comes near him. Telles? He has no idea what he's doing defensively half the time. We have a lot of problems not only the manager.
I don't know what's wrong with some people, if we'd wanted a chance at some instant gratification we'd have hired Conte and then faced the consequences in 12-18 months time, with everything to rebuild all over again.
Ralf as the manager is just a minor thing, the season was screwed anyway, just look at what happened in January to see how he views things, so it's what he does from this summer onwards for us that'll hopefully count, proper change was always going to be hard early on.
Ralf as the manager is just a minor thing, the season was screwed anyway, just look at what happened in January to see how he views things, so it's what he does from this summer onwards for us that'll hopefully count, proper change was always going to be hard early on.
Huh? Darmian, Young, Smalling, Bailly, Alexis, these are all better than our current lot?
Nail in the head. It was never only about this season, it was about him getting here, assessing the team and hand it over to the best available coach.
Varane, Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, obviously; in the squad probably Van de Beek, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford, Martial, (our backup left back is Omar Richards signed on a free from Reading FC, you know, and our backup striker Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting..).
But that's not even the point. The quality of players, or rather of their performances, is strongly linked to how the team is managed.
If a Liverpool fan had asked you that same question in 2016, it would have been implied that Henderson, Firmino, Milner, hell even Mané or Salah, wouldn't be able to break into your squad ahead of Di Maria, Herrera, Falcao, what have you.
You need a top manager. Then worry about players later.
Like cockroaches the Ole in brigade out in full force. INTERIM manager rangnick taking the heat having to get a tune out of an over pampered, overpaid and unbalanced squad that he had nothing to do in building. Many of you need to calm down. We’re witnessing the destructive end to the Woodward/Ole era. Whether Murtough can turn it around is questionable but it seems the next dickhead CEO Arnold wants to take a different approach in his role. We are about 2 to 3 years away from being taken seriously again.
Who is talking about another LVG? No one.
I think as a club we have played shit football for 8 years and the last few years under SAF we were starting to become dated, even though we had the best manager in the world and some outstanding players still. I'm tired of watching shit football to be honest and I don't think it is the future. The two dominant teams play a much more progressive style of football, and the manager almost all the supporters want plays a very progressive style of play.
I don't think a ****-of-personality manager is sufficient to seriously challenge our rivals. We simply have to start to play proper football. To do that we need to conduct major surgery on the squad.
Any manager brought in to make do with what we've got is the absolute wrong appointment.
Well, exactly. The simple fact of not being Jose was enough to get the players all upping their game. No need for any coaching or tactics, just ride the feel good wave when the witch is dead.
Obviously only a very short term fix though. Which you would know if you’d kept track of the results after those 11 games.
I think people are overplaying his role at the club once the season is over. I literally think he’ll be a consultant on the end of the phone to advise the likes of Fletcher and Murtough and have very little influence!
Yeah. Should have given him the upstairs role and put a different interim coach in (not sure who though and that was probably the problem that led us to where we are).
The squad is not good enough and on top of that we don’t have a top end manager. We have some top end players as you’ve mentioned and I agree with that list but the squad is painfully unbalanced. RR is an interim and clearly not a long term answer. Hopefully we get a manager like Ten Hag in this summer to start the rebuild.
Young was twice the player Telles will ever be. Smalling wasn't much worse than fecking Maguire. Bailly is still here? No idea where you are going but under Mou we won the EL. He was toxic as hell but maybe that's what these fecks at our club need. The feel good atmosphere under Ole lead to nothing
Exactly. Of course the squad needs work. But it's unneccessary to call it "rotten" when you don't have someone in place to manage it properly.
The decisions regarding managerial appointments in the post Fergie era were much worse, and much more fatefully so, than the choice of player transfers.
Where i'm going is that Ole started off playing Mata and Pereira as the 10, and a leaky back line that got destroyed 0-4 at Everton near the end of the season. Thats why he spent boatloads. Lukaku is the only one who could still do a job now, as depressing as that sounds.
While I don't disagree with what you say in principle, but Choupo-Moting is better than current Rashford. Still, the gap of quality between our other players -bar 3 or 4- is huge. Would you have Maguire or AWB start in your team? I think we are in the same position as Liverpool in 2015. Some really good players, but the general quality is not that good. So, I agree, we need a top manager but we also need a Salah, an Allison etc.
I did. We came 2nd and 3rd and things were actually good for a while. Wheels came off this season through some absolutely disastrous recruitment decisions.
It is not about fitness in my opinion. It is about desire, determination and character of players. Ofcourse also football knowledge players have. To much Instagram and social media and way to little football work. Players get tons of money and there are lot who don’t care. Pretenders.
Yes. It was only the recruitment. I mean its not like he wanted Maguire right
I imagine this is why the United board gave him an interim managerial position.
I hope he sticks around because he is clearly an intelligent footballing person, and we need more of those types of people making decisions at our club.
This summer will be structurally very important.
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