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Is their potential better then us? We spend so much time downplaying our club it's untrue. We're not playing well, our team is awful, but on what planet does a manager or a player turn United down for RB?Yep. They are far better than us. Nowhere near. Dumped us out of the CL as well.
How they doing this season?Yep. They are far better than us. Nowhere near. Dumped us out of the CL as well.
On this planet. We also don't have any positive potential with this ownership and board. Smart ones will steer clear. We are all about history and there's no evidence based on recent years that we are a serious football club.Is their potential better then us? We spend so much time downplaying our club it's untrue. We're not playing well, our team is awful, but on what planet does a manager or a player turn United down for RB?
If he does, good for him, but I'd be amazed.
Would not surprise me one bit.Poch it is then
I don't think he will go there but overtaking Dortmund would not be out of the equation. They are losing Haaland, Witsel, Can(?), Reus is really getting on like Hummels. Noise about Akanji not being happy, Brandt can be good then very average the next game. Reyna and Bellingham are their future stars but we all know Jude will be in the PL in a year or two.He is hardly going to overtake Dortmund, let alone Bayern with Leipzig, don’t know why he would like to go there. If it’s not us he’ll surely wait for some other bigger opportunity than Leipzig.
It could be a stepping stone to a huge club like Real or Bayern though. Managing us is pretty much career suicide at this point.You go to RB, you go to a club which would pay you less, has less exposure, less budget, you sell your best players etc. Its a stepping stone club.
Surely if they were looking for easy clicks and to stir the pot they'd of said Dortmund. Because Leipzig only appointed Tedesco a few months ago and has done well including getting a very good result over Dortmund a few weeks ago.They read the caf ridiculing that they couldn't even name the German club and then named Leipzig
Hmm. Would look awful if we failed to get him in at this stage. Still worry it’ll be Poch.
It would be classic "Look we tried" thing from utdPoch it is then
The last job is the one that counts isn't it? Especially since the last two for these particular managers were considered step ups. They both lost stock in England but could re-emerge. Same thing with Espirito Santo after success with Wolves and failure with Spurs. Mulensteen didn't get any offers in England after failing at FulhamSame with Martin Jol. The last job for both didn’t quite work but the initial ones they did well with.
Not really, as it didn't really destroy any of the last 4 permanent managers' careers despite their failures.It could be a stepping stone to a huge club like Real or Bayern though. Managing us is pretty much career suicide at this point.
I think its safe to say Solskjaer won't be getting any offers from a club in Europe's top leagues, but again you'd rightly argue he should never have managed us.Not really, as it didn't really destroy any of the last 4 permanent managers' careers despite their failures.
But them being dutch had nothing to do with their failures, or do you think they failed because of their nationality?The last job is the one that counts isn't it? Especially since the last two for these particular managers were considered step ups. They both lost stock in England but could re-emerge. Same thing with Espirito Santo after success with Wolves and failure with Spurs. Mulensteen didn't get any offers in England after failing at Fulham
The only way I see Ten Hag choosing Red Bull over us is if he asked for certain control and the board didn't agreed.Tweet
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We're a free hit these days, you can come in, completely feck up and people will still believe you if you say it's the board or the players.It could be a stepping stone to a huge club like Real or Bayern though. Managing us is pretty much career suicide at this point.
I will give you Ole, but it's not like his career was going anywhere with Molde. Being a United manager will remain the highlight of his career. It's not something he will ever regret.I think its safe to say Solskjaer won't be getting any offers from a club in Europe's top leagues, but again you'd rightly argue he should never have managed us.
You would think so, he'd only look to leave Leipzig for Bayern in a few years anyway. United could be career defining work for him if he want's the challenge, and I'm sure Leipzig would still hire him if the United job goes to shit anyway.No way he goes to Leipzig over Man United. He already turned down Leipzig in the past.
That's not common practice at top clubs at all. A manager doesn't provide his own list of options. At most, he'll provide player profiles for what he thinks the squad needs. Then the scouting apparatus gets to work to deliver options, and eventually, the top ones make it to high-level discussion within the club.Think he means that they sign who he wants, not who they fancy. Like any manager he will give them a list of options and like any manager he will expect them to be competent enough to deliver off that list. He will want to be consulted regarding who he wants to keep regarding contract extensions etc. He will not do the negotiations he will leave that to the club. All he wants really is to coach, but wants the club to give him the tools to do it successfully. If they will not do that we are well and truly fecked.
Consequently, that 'huge command' is largely limited to setting profile priorities and having a larger voice (possibly a veto) at those final discussions.Klopp has a huge command on who to buy and who not. Do you think Liverpool under klopp would go and buy a Ronaldo when they would need a cb. Pep gets his players more often than not and if not you won't see them spending crazy money on back up choices unless Pep says so.
I doubt it. If Ten Hag wanted to do that, he wouldn't just bat every media question away and provide 'tactical' responses instead. I think it's rather journalists desperately trying to create stories.Think this is more ten Hag and his agent putting pressure on United to accept his terms.
It seems some of our ‘fans’ think otherwiseLike anyone with an atom of ambition would choose Leipzig over United.
Moyes had to go to Sociedad because no-one else would touch him and is only rebuilding his reputation now at West Ham.Not really, as it didn't really destroy any of the last 4 permanent managers' careers despite their failures.
As a tactically ambitious coach I could see Ten Hag demand some kind of veto right. Signing an expensive player, who doesn't fit his football idea could cause endless headaches for him. Arguably the club needs to commit very hard to his ideas for things to work out well.That's not common practice at top clubs at all. A manager doesn't provide his own list of options. At most, he'll provide player profiles for what he thinks the squad needs. Then the scouting apparatus gets to work to deliver options, and eventually, the top ones make it to high-level discussion within the club.
I mean, I definitely wouldn’t count his unsuccessful job at Fulham as a step up from Spurs a few years earlier tbh. He did better in the bigger job.The last job is the one that counts isn't it? Especially since the last two for these particular managers were considered step ups. They both lost stock in England but could re-emerge. Same thing with Espirito Santo after success with Wolves and failure with Spurs. Mulensteen didn't get any offers in England after failing at Fulham
They have no ambition.It seems some of our ‘fans’ think otherwise
While I tend to agree with this we have the compounding factor of De Gea passing the ball to Maguire, AWB and McTominay and Fred. If we add 2-3 players comfortable in possession then everyone else's job gets easier too.He was never very good with the ball at his feet but he looked a lot less bad because 7 or 8 years ago there much less expectations on keepers to be comfortable on the ball.
He was always able to hit an accurate long pass out wide and can still pull this off, given enough space and time. What he never did was to look like an extra defender when we’re passing the ball round the back. At ease on the ball, making and receiving passes on either foot, instantly aware of the best passing option and relaxed when getting closed down. That’s the expectation from top keepers now and he’s being shown up by far better ball players in goals at other clubs.
Has any manager every failed at a club and not seen their reputation suffer to some degree? That's the way it always has and should work. None of them really dropped off from their previous level apart from Mourinho and even he got a Champions league contender. LVG basically said he was retiring, but I'm sure if he wanted a job at a mid-table team in a decent European league he would have gotten it.Moyes had to go to Sociedad because no-one else would touch him and is only rebuilding his reputation now at West Ham.
LvG didn't get another top level management gig until the NT turnstile came round again.
Mourinho has been on a downward slope ever since he left.
Ole doesn't even have a management career left to speak of after Ray Finkeling it here.
Can any of these guys say their time here didn't harm their reputation?
In terms of players needing to be comfortable on the ball goalkeeper is a distant last. Until we upgrade full backs, centre mids etc Gk can wait.Yeah only because right now we have higher priorities than upgrading to a modern style GK
Yes but has any other top club around Europe appointed four failed managers in a row after winning the league?Has any manager every failed at a club and not seen their reputation suffer to some degree? That's the way it always has and should work. None of them really dropped off from their previous level apart from Mourinho and even he got a Champions league contender. LVG basically said he was retiring, but I'm sure if he wanted a job at a mid-table team in a decent European league he would have gotten it.
AC Milan are on their ninth.Yes but has any other top club around Europe appointed four failed managers in a row after winning the league?
Moyes got a decent job at a good Spanish club means it wasn't career suicide. It just meant a top club won't touch him again, which was always the case.Moyes had to go to Sociedad because no-one else would touch him and is only rebuilding his reputation now at West Ham.
LvG didn't get another top level management gig until the NT turnstile came round again.
Mourinho has been on a downward slope ever since he left.
Ole doesn't even have a management career left to speak of after Ray Finkeling it here.
Can any of these guys say their time here didn't harm their reputation?
If ETH comes to Utd and fails it will damage his reputation and that’s why he’s doing right thing by setting out demands before he accepts it. Arnold, Murtough, Fletcher, Bout, Lawlor and numerous others won’t lose their jobs if it all goes wrong but ETH will.Moyes had to go to Sociedad because no-one else would touch him and is only rebuilding his reputation now at West Ham.
LvG didn't get another top level management gig until the NT turnstile came round again.
Mourinho has been on a downward slope ever since he left.
Ole doesn't even have a management career left to speak of after Ray Finkeling it here.
Can any of these guys say their time here didn't harm their reputation?
If a manager turning down Manchester United for Borsussia Dortmund or RB Lepizig isn't a massive wake-up call and kick up the arse then I don't know what is. Protest time to oust our shithouse owners once and for all I'd say if it happens.watch him end up at Dortmund or Leipzig