royboy16
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Signs of a great team and manager.the way they've immediately bounced back from last season when so many insisted they were done is astonishing
Signs of a great team and manager.the way they've immediately bounced back from last season when so many insisted they were done is astonishing
In 2007 we were in with a shot right up until we lost the UCL semi.I think they will get a treble myself. FA Cup, Champions League, and League Cup.
City have an easier run in for the league and I could see them winning all their remaining games.
Being in this position is ridiculous, though. Not sure anyone has managed to get this close before.
We (United) were super close in the 08/09 season too.In 2007 we were in with a shot right up until we lost the UCL semi.
Yeah that was bloody close. As if things weren't bad enough in those dark days.We (United) were super close in the 08/09 season too.
Won the league and the League cup.
Lost the final of the CL.
Lose the semi final of the FA Cup on penalties to Everton.
Not the kind of thing we doWe can stop this by beating Liverpool but we wont.
I wonder who would technically be closer.We (United) were super close in the 08/09 season too.
Won the league and the League cup.
Lost the final of the CL.
Lose the semi final of the FA Cup on penalties to Everton.
Have you taken a look at the squad when Klopp took over in 15/16? Miglonet as our goalie. Clyne, Sakho, Lovren and Alberto Moreno-, yes Alberto Moreno in defense. We did have a Coutinho who wanted leave and Henderson in midfield. Forwards Firminio, Sturridge and Benteke. I think what he’s done qualifies as a rebuild no?Probably, but, I'd wait to see what happens when Klopp has to oversee a rebuild. It's the transitions from one excellent squad to another than makes a top ten manager. When Salah, Mane, VVD and co make way (and assuming Klopp is even there still), then the question of status can be established permanently.
And you won nothing with the previous squad, right? That's what the other poster meant, to ensure success continuity while transitioning the squadHave you taken a look at the squad when Klopp took over in 15/16? Miglonet as our goalie. Clyne, Sakho, Lovren and Alberto Moreno-, yes Alberto Moreno in defense. We did have a Coutinho who wanted leave and Henderson in midfield. Forwards Firminio, Sturridge and Benteke. I think what he’s done qualifies as a rebuild no?
I would factor that as the initial build. When I refer to a rebuild, I'm specifically referring to the capacity to build a peak squad (Klopp current), and then transition into another subsequent period of success with another squad rebuild, both of which come from the same manager.Have you taken a look at the squad when Klopp took over in 15/16? Miglonet as our goalie. Clyne, Sakho, Lovren and Alberto Moreno-, yes Alberto Moreno in defense. We did have a Coutinho who wanted leave and Henderson in midfield. Forwards Firminio, Sturridge and Benteke. I think what he’s done qualifies as a rebuild no?
In August Redcafe was putting us as 6th to 8th best squad in Europe behind the likes Chelsea, mighty Bayern and mighty PSG (not to mention Utd, chuckle; chuckle hard).They’re going to do it, seems certain. They’re benefiting greatly by the fact that every other team in Europe is shite except for Man City and maybe, at a push, Real Madrid. But it is what it is.
Your strawman “Redcafe” means nothing. I had you for the title and for the CL. No other teams are any good. Every big team in Europe is in disarray, Spanish teams a disaster, Italy gone, Germany only has Bayern Munich and they aren’t what they were. PSG are a galactico mess. Never said you were lucky, but you and Man City are the only two proper good sides in the whole of Europe. Unless you want to pretend you’re facing a masterclass of European giants, have at it.In August Redcafe was putting us as 6th to 8th best squad in Europe behind the likes Chelsea, mighty Bayern and mighty PSG (not to mention Utd, chuckle; chuckle hard).
Now suddenly the whole of Europe is weak as feck and we're damn lucky (sorry "benefiting greatly"). This lack of simple understanding will be the reason Utd will also be waiting 30 years for their next league title. Take it from an old man who thought exactly the same on Redcafe 20 years ago.![]()
Some of us put it on immediately after the league cup final.7/1 with Skybet. Might be worth a few quid as a jinx.
City won the domestic treble 3 years ago, when did they get knocked out of CL?Given they’re guaranteed to be in the CL final has anyone been this close before? Chelsea in 07 went out at the CL semi final. Honestly think they will do this. Only thing stopping them is City in the league. Maybe Chelsea in the cup final?
1/4 final. Chelsea 2007 are the only team where it was still possible in May.City won the domestic treble 3 years ago, when did they get knocked out of CL?
Nonsense if they win the Quadruple they are the best in Premier League history by a margin. They don’t do it though. It’s near enough impassible. I reckon they are more likely to lose out to City in the league and then lose one of the final cups.They'll win the quadruple. Weird thing is I don't even think they're in the top 5 teams in Premier league history, never mind before that. But luck, momentum and context are everything.
In many ways i fancy Villareal more than i do Bayern. Emery knows how to set up in Europe (all be it largely in the lesser one) while Nagelsmann is still a bit green despite his obvious quality and I feel Klopp would have picked him apart similar to how Tuchel did in the 2020 semi.Nonsense if they win the Quadruple they are the best in Premier League history by a margin. They don’t do it though. It’s near enough impassible. I reckon they are more likely to lose out to City in the league and then lose one of the final cups.
Yeh you might be right. I do think they are being prematurely written off. Liverpool are rightly favs but you Ishtar get to a European semi through luck alone.In many ways i fancy Villareal more than i do Bayern. Emery knows how to set up in Europe (all be it largely in the lesser one) while Nagelsmann is still a bit green despite his obvious quality and I feel Klopp would have picked him apart similar to how Tuchel did in the 2020 semi.
Whether it’s successful or not, the rebuild started 18 months ago. The trick has been to do it without feeling like a transition is taking place.And you won nothing with the previous squad, right? That's what the other poster meant, to ensure success continuity while transitioning the squad
Begrudgingly agree. That would be an outrageous achievement. Would put Klopp on another level too, he’s already clear of Pep for me but that would truly cement it.If Liverpool see off City in the league. Beat City or Real Madrid in the CL final and beat City and Chelsea on their way to winning the FA Cup having already beaten Chelsea in the League Cup final, I don't think there's any question they'll go down as the undisputed best team in PL history.
Yep, this is what I see happening too. They'll win a couple of cups but won't take the league and will flunk one of the three cups.Nonsense if they win the Quadruple they are the best in Premier League history by a margin. They don’t do it though. It’s near enough impassible. I reckon they are more likely to lose out to City in the league and then lose one of the final cups.
I'd agree with that.If Liverpool see off City in the league. Beat City or Real Madrid in the CL final and beat City and Chelsea on their way to winning the FA Cup having already beaten Chelsea in the League Cup final, I don't think there's any question they'll go down as the undisputed best team in PL history.
This is one thing I think people are sleeping on. Klopp is setting the club up for when he leaves. His first team is ageing but he's buying quality to fill the roles. I think even if he leaves Liverpool will be in a good spot to continue.Whether it’s successful or not, the rebuild started 18 months ago. The trick has been to do it without feeling like a transition is taking place.
Jota, Thiago, Diaz, Konate, Tsimikas, Elliott, Jones are all members of the first team squad who weren’t around in 19/20 (the last 2 being promoted from youth football).
Expect more players to be folded into first team action over the next 18 months.
I think with Diaz, Jota, Konate and Tsimikas, you have a valid argument about the first transition. That is absolutely true, and we will see how successful they are when the trophy-winning first teamers are gone. If Klopp stays, that is.Whether it’s successful or not, the rebuild started 18 months ago. The trick has been to do it without feeling like a transition is taking place.
Jota, Thiago, Diaz, Konate, Tsimikas, Elliott, Jones are all members of the first team squad who weren’t around in 19/20 (the last 2 being promoted from youth football).
Expect more players to be folded into first team action over the next 18 months.
If Liverpool see off City in the league. Beat City or Real Madrid in the CL final and beat City and Chelsea on their way to winning the FA Cup having already beaten Chelsea in the League Cup final, I don't think there's any question they'll go down as the undisputed best team in PL history.
That's a scary thought. Please someone stop them.I'd agree with that.
To think Mahrez had a good chance to sink them and increase the lead to 4 points.That's a scary thought. Please someone stop them.
You rate them really highly.The benefit of years of great recruitment is finally showing up. Liverpool have a superior squad to Manchester City and more "killers". It would be a fitting achievement for arguably the best team since Pep Guardiola's Barcelona.
You are the army standing between good and evil.It is sounding like Chelsea will need to be the savours of football again.
Yet they mounted the worst defence of a premier league title in years. They’re yet to retain a title. This is the sort of knee-jerk hyperbole usually comes in from the Arsenal section. The invincible Arsenal section that also failed to retain a PL title. One lightning rod year in cup competitions does not make PL history.If Liverpool see off City in the league. Beat City or Real Madrid in the CL final and beat City and Chelsea on their way to winning the FA Cup having already beaten Chelsea in the League Cup final, I don't think there's any question they'll go down as the undisputed best team in PL history.
No side has ever lost three FA Cup finals in a row as well. We could still end up with just the League Cup.The FA cup final is the one where I see the banana skin.
Chelsea only chance of a trophy, revenge the league cup final, and have chance to field a weaker team the game before the cup final, unlike Liverpool. (They have Villa away few days before).