I was against this signing from day 1. I couldn't understand how we could possibly spent 80m on a CB with little brains and no pace. However its pointless to cry on spilled milk. In my opinion we should play with a deep line and counter attack football. Hopefully maguire can improve enough for a sucker to come up and get him out of our hands
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He was cupping his ears, that's why he got stick. Not because he celebrated a goal
This is like praising a firefighter whilst being too blind to see the fact he's also going round setting the fires in the first place.
Well that's a pretty rubbish analogy, considering he's hardly been at fault for any of the goals this season.
Well firstly, you've completely missed the analogy if that's what you took from it. And second, he's been at fault for plenty of goals but people are too insistent that he's having a great season to hold him account to it. Heck there was a spell where he was at fault for about 8 goals in 5 matches at one point ffs.
Even with those positions improved, Maguire's weaknesses will always be a problem. It was the same at Hull and Leicester, his awful recovery leaves a big hole in the defence every time he commits to a tackle and doesn't win it, it happens a lot and we tend to concede because of it. His immobility makes him bad at blocking shots and crosses effectively as well, he's just not good enough at actual defending to be a starting CB at a successful club.
Why bother replying with that? Do you even watch this guy play? Do you understand how horrendous he has been for a very very long time? Yet, you so easily dismiss a point about Bailey and Jones when neither have really been given a chance this season despite the very below averageness of a £80m centre back. Keep me out of your mass and pointless replies especially if you are too ignorant to bother reading past the first 3 words and add any constructive debate to it. Pathetic.
Well, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make then, so in that respect it wasn't very good was it? Every goalkeeper goes through a blip and I'm sure someone could collate some data on how many goals players were responsible for. I'm pretty certain Maguire would be at the very top.
I find it funny that the goals came from the Left side of defence, Maguire was playing right.
If Maguire is being blamed, does that mean we only play 1 at the back? It seems he has to cover the full back line from RB to LB it seems.
If Maguire is being blamed, does that mean we only play 1 at the back? It seems he has to cover the full back line from RB to LB it seems.
That he basically creates half the situations that his "brilliant" saves come from, be it by giving the ball away or not dealing with a ball in behind the defenders or a cross into the box, or even by simply making himself an option for defenders to pass to when they are under pressure.
By the way, if you were going to collate a table of every player at least partially at fault for every goal a team concedes, given that the majority of goals conceded see more than one player at fault - despite this forums fascination with blaming one player for every goal we concede the reality is that there are usually several things that various players could have done better, as such the goalkeeper would almost always be at the top and it's no different this season with us. That part isn't a criticism of De Gea by the way, it's just how it is.
I know but I would suspect he’s tried to keep a low profile during this goal celebration and it’s gone against him.
Again, you are just repeating what others say rather than think for yourself. You have been brainwashed into thinking Maguire is a lot worse than he really is so there's no point in talking to you
Yet when he plays for England and has a keeper who does more than just make saves and a an actual DM he is great. And then people ask why he's great for England. It's a team game yet at United people look for reasons to blame Maguire any time we concede a goal. It really is pathetic.
So sticking with your man is "over committing" when you have 7 players in defense and your opponent only has 5. I am so glad TheCaf isn't in charge of the team. And when have I ever said Maguire is untouchable? I've given him stick before. In this game he wasn't very good. I gave him a 5/10. But this goal was NOT his fault. You see, I gave stick when stick is due. I don't just scapegoat and look for reasons to blame players. Are you really going to try and defend Pogba? He showed more passion after getting kicked by Maguire than he ever has in a red shirt
England's International opposition 90% of the time is worse than Premier League standard in terms of quality. That combined with having a defensive manager that uses 2 CDMs or 5 at the back, sometimes both, does mask his flaws well enough.
He followed him to far, which created a huge space and essentially changed a 7 v 5 situation to a 2 v 3 in Norwich favor.
About Pogba. No, I don’t defend him. I am merely pointing out your double standards. They have cost the same and both are failures. But for some reason I don’t see you defending Pogba with the same passion you defend Maguire.
Pogba and Maguire both deliver much better results for their national team than for United.
I don’t see any more passion from Maguire for United than Pogba. Which is one of the reasons people think he should have never been made captain (not his fault).
And to your point about you being happy we are not in charge. It’s a bit weird when Ralf is clearly not agreeing with you about DDG, given that he said we need to upgrade every position except the goalkeeper. How does that fit with your thesis about DDG being at fault for Maguires terrible play?
You think Maguire is our best defender and I think he is one of our worst players this season. Its clear we will have to agree to disagree in the end.
If Ten Hag comes in and Maguire gets used and suddenly starts performing well, I will be more than happy to eat my words.
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Nothing like looking for excuses as to why our players are good. Way to show your support. Good job
The huge space was created because Lindelof and Dalot didn't shift, Pogba didn't drop like he should have, and Elanga didn't stick with his man. Had Maguire switched to Pukki then the man he was marking would have been left wide open and it would have been him crossing for the tap in. If Norwich had numbers then I would completely agree about not over committing and rather back off to try and mark both. But we had numbers. Maguire wasn't the problem. He was one of the only players marking someone. The problem was everyone else...
Again, Maguire isn’t good enough either. I do believe we lack a proactive goalkeeper and DDG wouldn’t have to make as many saves as he makes if he was better at coming off his line. We become so deep that of course he is called into action.
Not that i put the blame on the goalkeeper wholly but the defenders have to defend everything in the box as the goalkeeper is glued to his line.
it would be nice for the defenders not to pass it onto the keeper not always but at least know he is going to deal with his fair share of balls into the box and behind the defense.
as for the Norwich goal on 1st look it appears to be Maguire over committing but the more i watch the lack of awareness by the other players who just let players run off them and thats not to absolve Maguire either he probably does go a few steps to far but that goal even if Maguire goes is preventable if the other players go with the runners.
its probably time to call time on his time here really for his benefit and ours but i cannot see it, we have upwards of 7/8 players likely off in the summer let alone letting senior members of team leave as well there is no way we are getting the money to replace all these players in one window.
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He has celebrated goals since... Not sure I am getting this, but fair enough
Just seems quite odd the whole team is celebrating and he is walking back head down
The irony. Glaring weaknesses need addressing otherwise the club will go nowhere. I'll support every player that shows they're up to it consistently enough.
Are you Maguire's agent?
You and your logic are absolutely hilarious. Yes I am brainwashed over Maguire, I sit here reading other peoples quotes and repeat it. Your words are basic and so is your intellect so I agree with one thing, there is no point talking with me. Good riddance
What a load of shite
Address his point? Seems like you are deflecting because he’s right. That goal isn’t on Maguire and anyone who’s played CB to any level will know that. School boy coaching, you shift as a unit to the side the ball is being played. Lindelof and Telles are static and Pogba doesn’t cover. That’s the facts in this instance.
who will be the next victim of Maguire's scorpion kick ?
Is he the worst united center back in the EPL era ?
Just because a poster is actually analysing how we conceded the goal and it seems Maguire isn't at fault, he is his agent.
What do you want? him to scapegoat him like the rest of the fan base because its the what the majority think? Forget that the cross came in and there was no one marking on the backpost is Maguire's fault.
How could he not have a teleport to put him in that position. Darn it.
Buying Harry Maguire and 'we looked at 804 RB's before choosing Aaron Wank Bissaka' must be corporate malfeasance
Yeah I'll concede that both goals by Norwich were really down to Telles not doing his job properly but let's not be kidding ourselves and admit that Maguire is shit and should be nowhere near the captain's armband. He's certainly nowhere near good enough for a club like United. Can you tell me which team he would be a guaranteed starter for?
Hes certainly had the worst season a CB has had for us in the PL era
Maguire at his best though is still comfortably better than some of the CB's we've had down the years though (not high praise though I know)
Leicester?
England.
He shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter and he’s had a poor season but that doesn’t change the fact he’s being underrated now. At his best (Utd last season & England) he’s a very good defender who has some immense strengths. He’s a victim of this trial by social media era where every player is either the best thing ever or a walking meme. When he’s playing poorly, as he has at times this season he should be dropped, but his competition has been equally poor so he probably does deserve to start more often than not.
As other poster said, It’s up there as one of the worst seasons in awhile but as a player no chance. He’s put in some brilliant performances for club and country and is a good player on form. It was only last season the whole fanbase bemoaned the fact he would miss the Europa league final (which ended up costing us). Overall he’s a better player than Smalling, Jones, Bailly, Lindelof, Evans so to truly answer no, he’s not even close to the worst.
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The thing is VVD will still do well in the scenario. Maguire with one or two or 3 DM's and word class keeper will continue to make the mistakes he's been doing this season. Yes agree he is blamed for all things bad with united but he doesn't help the cause he makes it worse with his lack of decision making.
He is slow, he does not read the game well - Two very important things needed in a CB let alone a CB for a club aspiring to be at the top.
Lindelof's captain of Sweden and Fred and Bailly start for their respective countries. What's your point?
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