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Apparently Norwich has the highest population to Utd supporter ratio anywhere in the world so always had a bit of a soft spot for them.
Youve kinda said this before Dan and whilst parachute payments are a thing it doesn’t equate to successful results as much as you suggest. Norwich certainly do not “outmuscle” anyone. They hardly spend anything. Even at the start of last season after relegation their signings were budget buys from Denmark and free transfers. Brentford, Leeds and Sheffield United all came up recently not having anywhere near the highest wage budgets in the championship. You’ve had the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday who have and they’ve spent one season in the prem between them in the last decade .Don't blame Norwich for playing the system, blame the people that allowed such system in the first place.
They'll go down and outmuscle the Champ on "reward" money for finishing bottom but no one cares because it's not the elite that are threatened by this.
Strong candidate for the worst post on here in a long, long while.What’s the point of Norwich?
Same as Manutd. The owners just want to make money!
Easiest prediction you'll ever make.Oh dear... you know we'll somehow draw them this year...
Not all of them. I mean Burnley been in prem for years (although probably just due to Dyche as they barely spend anything). Bournemouth were in prem for 5 seasons playing decent football on the whole and Swansea came up, won something and established themselves before they started picking poor managers.Sheffield (before they imploded), Leeds (struggling this season) and Brentford seem to give people the wrong idea about what to expect from newly promoted teams.
However, I’d say that most of them tend to put up a bit of a fight before the lack of quality and experience see them go on the inevitable spiral back to the Championship. Norwich this season have decided to skip that step and just accepted their fate, hence the frustration from some.
We will somehow manage to lose points against them though, most likely.
The Swansea manager point is a fair one, in tandem with the new owners the change in the managers they went for doomed the club. It's striking how different the profiles of the managers they went for were, a complete 180 to the types they had gone for. Even a side like Stoke which were long established, once Pulis and Hughes were gone they lost that consistency and dropped (I know that's a massive simplification and there are other reasons).Not all of them. I mean Burnley been in prem for years (although probably just due to Dyche as they barely spend anything). Bournemouth were in prem for 5 seasons playing decent football on the whole and Swansea came up, won something and established themselves before they started picking poor managers.
Eventually football gravity will pull Burnley back down like the others but when you look at the clubs all three are probably smaller than Norwich who have very loyal fanbase and decent infastructure at the club with youth academy.
I just think they're scarred from last time they were in premier league for a few seasons, 2011-14 and spent big money on likes of Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who massively flopped so they just don't want to do that again.
I think one thing that is quite striking about Farke and the Norwich is how different tactically they look compared to how they played last season. Last season they were the best possession side in the league, they were significantly better than anyone else at this and it wasn't just impotent possession either, they had a good balance of controlling the game and also creating chances and getting goals. This season they've been woeful in this aspect, and when I watch them it seems like a deliberate choice, he's purposefully eschewed it in favour of a more pragmatic approach, which is weirs to me because as this poster notedMust be hard being a fan of theirs right now. Perhaps they still have hope? Can't say I have any for them for this season and it's hard to imagine with what anticipation they look forward to the next match or what enjoyment they can possibly be having following the team right now. They look as inevitably doomed to relegation as any team I've seen.
Then what to make of Farke? After sticking by him like Burnley did Dyche and getting re-promoted they'd have probably hoped for better this time around. There has to be a point where everyone is urging him to try to just kick the crap out of the oppo, score via a scrappy set piece and get a 1-0 win somewhere instead of what we're seeing. Maybe not that exactly that, but something different at least.
I'm not going crap on the manager though as as I think getting a team promoted from the Championship twice takes a good one. They were 10th favourites for promotion first time he got them up, probably looking to sneak the playoffs at best yet they easily won the division. In doing so he condemned Leeds the hugely respected Biesla to another season in that league. He certainly has talent. Can they stick with him again if (when) they do go down again? Surely he's a great bet to take them right back up again.
Was half-joking, talking about them yesterday when I said they should go down, come back up again with Farke next season then fire him as they're lifting the Championship trophy to give someone else a full summer to work with the squad/sign players ready for their next crack at the PL in 23/24.
I wouldn't they have a defense capable of playing in this manner, without the added shield of being a side that can retain the ball and limit goalscoring opportunities. Krul had a good season last season, but ultimately I don't think they're capable of it.Made the same grave mistake as Fulham by fielding pretty much the same defense that got them relegated in the first place.
Replacing Grant Hanley should have been a priority even before their first promotion.
Brilliant"Norwich are never gonna win the League but they still turn up every week, don't they, the pricks" - Super Hans
They absolutely are punching above their weight. They are a small provincial club with an owner worth 23m. Only Brentfords owner is worth less. They’ve never broken the 10m mark on a transfer. The best they can do is develop and sell. It’s not their fault that bigger clubs like Birmingham don’t have their act together.Yup. And they earn the right to play in the Premier League by being the best of the rest. The step up is enormous, and most of the time they won't make the grade. I applaud the club and it's owners for not throwing money at the issue. It's difficult for fans to see their club battle relegation so often, but it's not worth the risk. It's not so long ago the club was riddled with debt and were close to going the way of Portsmouth. When you actually delve into their finances, and the finances of their owners, you could actually argue they are punching above their weight.
The long term financial security is a very a important factor. I think this can be forgotten sometimes by supporters of clubs that are bigger, as they're usually in a much safer position and it's a less pressing issueYup. And they earn the right to play in the Premier League by being the best of the rest. The step up is enormous, and most of the time they won't make the grade. I applaud the club and it's owners for not throwing money at the issue. It's difficult for fans to see their club battle relegation so often, but it's not worth the risk. It's not so long ago the club was riddled with debt and were close to going the way of Portsmouth. When you actually delve into their finances, and the finances of their owners, you could actually argue they are punching above their weight.
The parachute payments doesn't really make sense, when combined with healthy transfer activity it's of course good for the financial security of the club in question, but it's still significantly less than what a club would get for staying in the PL.There’s a lot of accusations of intentional under investment to get the parachute payments etc.
I don’t think that’s true at all, their owner is a true fan and a true fan wouldn’t want that
Exactly, just look at the championship again this season. Bournemouth, WBA and Fulham occupying the top 3 all who went down either last year or the year before… boring.Don't blame Norwich for playing the system, blame the people that allowed such system in the first place.
They'll go down and outmuscle the Champ on "reward" money for finishing bottom but no one cares because it's not the elite that are threatened by this.
If they did that everyone would claim Norwich have no morals before asking what do they expect.Best thing for them to do is ride it out with their manager until next season when they are back in the championship and have him get them promotion again but then get rid of him as he clearly is not cut out to manage a newly promoted team in the premier league
Was just wondering how they compared to Savage’s Derby. They are truly a worthless team.Almost as bad as the notorious 07/08 derby county team. Near same points and GD for week 18.
And next season they'll win promotion with ease yet again. Rinse and repeat...Almost as bad as the notorious 07/08 derby county team. Near same points and GD for week 18.
I think they have actually nixed that part with the Dean Smith appointment. They had to move on and try something new but Dean Smith is a poor move.And next season they'll win promotion with ease yet again. Rinse and repeat...
The break will be good for you pal. See ya.Cheerio. See you again in 12 months.
Fulham seem to have pissed a lot of money up the wall considering they've been completely interchangeable with Norwich for years now.In line with a post on the opening page, the number of £10 million plus signings made by the following group of clubs according to transfermarkt.:
Southampton - 28
Fulham - 12
Crystal Palace - 11
Brighton - 10
Burnley - 9
Watford - 6
Brentford - 1
Norwich - 0
Norwich seems like a terribly hard place to draw talent to though unless you're a young player looking for a good loan move/kick-start to your career. Nothing about it would want me to go there aside from that.In line with a post on the opening page, the number of £10 million plus signings made by the following group of clubs according to transfermarkt.:
Southampton - 28
Fulham - 12
Crystal Palace - 11
Brighton - 10
Burnley - 9
Watford - 6
Brentford - 1
Norwich - 0
Throw in the fact that Norwich clearly haven't exactly pushed the boat on wages, and it's no surprise that they continue to struggle at Premier League level.
At least this constant yo-yoing has some excitement to it. I remember when West Brom transformed from a yo-yo club to an established Premier League from 2010, quite a few of their fans started grumbling about the Premier League glass ceiling, and saying that they missed the constant drama of promotions and relegations, especially during the Tony Pulis days.
What does fixing refer to? Can't remember discussions about that, so genuinely curious.So we get a year of Fulham in the premiership before they go back down and we see Norwich back up for another year.
Yet people think the premiership doesn't need fixing
What does fixing refer to? Can't remember discussions about that, so genuinely curious.