Apparently Norwich has the highest population to Utd supporter ratio anywhere in the world so always had a bit of a soft spot for them.
Norwich City - what is the point?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Their two standout players last season that played a big hand in the teams promotion are gone. Skipp was a loan from Spurs and is now playing as a first team regular for them, he is a staple in a team in the top 5(atm). Aston Villa bought Buendia. Skipp was the engine, tenacity and bite in midfield, Buendia the creativity and guile.
You can argue it is a team game etc but losing your two best players would hurt just about any team. Especially so a team like Norwich with very limited resources to replace players of that calibre.
You can argue it is a team game etc but losing your two best players would hurt just about any team. Especially so a team like Norwich with very limited resources to replace players of that calibre.
Youve kinda said this before Dan and whilst parachute payments are a thing it doesn’t equate to successful results as much as you suggest. Norwich certainly do not “outmuscle” anyone. They hardly spend anything. Even at the start of last season after relegation their signings were budget buys from Denmark and free transfers. Brentford, Leeds and Sheffield United all came up recently not having anywhere near the highest wage budgets in the championship. You’ve had the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday who have and they’ve spent one season in the prem between them in the last decade .
The Championship isn’t anywhere near the closed book you try to claim it is which I think is a way to seemingly deflect from you and City’s spending , which you’re very defensive about and I don’t get why.
Strong candidate for the worst post on here in a long, long while.
Easiest prediction you'll ever make.
You should really only be allowed one parachute payment in a specific timeframe.
This would stop utter dross like Norwich stinking out the Premier League before being relegated and making a fortune.
This would stop utter dross like Norwich stinking out the Premier League before being relegated and making a fortune.
Not all of them. I mean Burnley been in prem for years (although probably just due to Dyche as they barely spend anything). Bournemouth were in prem for 5 seasons playing decent football on the whole and Swansea came up, won something and established themselves before they started picking poor managers.
Eventually football gravity will pull Burnley back down like the others but when you look at the clubs all three are probably smaller than Norwich who have very loyal fanbase and decent infastructure at the club with youth academy.
I just think they're scarred from last time they were in premier league for a few seasons, 2011-14 and spent big money on likes of Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who massively flopped so they just don't want to do that again.
Made the same grave mistake as Fulham by fielding pretty much the same defense that got them relegated in the first place.
Replacing Grant Hanley should have been a priority even before their first promotion.
Replacing Grant Hanley should have been a priority even before their first promotion.
Must be hard being a fan of theirs right now. Perhaps they still have hope? Can't say I have any for them for this season and it's hard to imagine with what anticipation they look forward to the next match or what enjoyment they can possibly be having following the team right now. They look as inevitably doomed to relegation as any team I've seen.
Then what to make of Farke? After sticking by him like Burnley did Dyche and getting re-promoted they'd have probably hoped for better this time around. There has to be a point where everyone is urging him to try to just kick the crap out of the oppo, score via a scrappy set piece and get a 1-0 win somewhere instead of what we're seeing. Maybe not that exactly that, but something different at least.
I'm not going crap on the manager though as as I think getting a team promoted from the Championship twice takes a good one. They were 10th favourites for promotion first time he got them up, probably looking to sneak the playoffs at best yet they easily won the division. In doing so he condemned Leeds the hugely respected Biesla to another season in that league. He certainly has talent. Can they stick with him again if (when) they do go down again? Surely he's a great bet to take them right back up again.
Was half-joking, talking about them yesterday when I said they should go down, come back up again with Farke next season then fire him as they're lifting the Championship trophy to give someone else a full summer to work with the squad/sign players ready for their next crack at the PL in 23/24.
Then what to make of Farke? After sticking by him like Burnley did Dyche and getting re-promoted they'd have probably hoped for better this time around. There has to be a point where everyone is urging him to try to just kick the crap out of the oppo, score via a scrappy set piece and get a 1-0 win somewhere instead of what we're seeing. Maybe not that exactly that, but something different at least.
I'm not going crap on the manager though as as I think getting a team promoted from the Championship twice takes a good one. They were 10th favourites for promotion first time he got them up, probably looking to sneak the playoffs at best yet they easily won the division. In doing so he condemned Leeds the hugely respected Biesla to another season in that league. He certainly has talent. Can they stick with him again if (when) they do go down again? Surely he's a great bet to take them right back up again.
Was half-joking, talking about them yesterday when I said they should go down, come back up again with Farke next season then fire him as they're lifting the Championship trophy to give someone else a full summer to work with the squad/sign players ready for their next crack at the PL in 23/24.
The Swansea manager point is a fair one, in tandem with the new owners the change in the managers they went for doomed the club. It's striking how different the profiles of the managers they went for were, a complete 180 to the types they had gone for. Even a side like Stoke which were long established, once Pulis and Hughes were gone they lost that consistency and dropped (I know that's a massive simplification and there are other reasons).
I also think Swansea relates to your last point, towards the end of their premier league tenure after a long time of underinvestment, the club panicked and ended up paying large transfer fees for very average players, and also giving out ridiculously high contracts to avoid the drop. This resulted in Swansea being utterly screwed financially upon relegation and has affected their transfer capabilities to this day. Every season involves making a profit and I think the club has made a profit of about 90/100m since then, and that's not counting the amount of high earners who have been released on a free. I think Norwich were hesitant to replace Buendia with a like for like replacement and instead targeted a bunch of young cheap players who won't demand high wages and will come less risk than spending big on one player.
I think one thing that is quite striking about Farke and the Norwich is how different tactically they look compared to how they played last season. Last season they were the best possession side in the league, they were significantly better than anyone else at this and it wasn't just impotent possession either, they had a good balance of controlling the game and also creating chances and getting goals. This season they've been woeful in this aspect, and when I watch them it seems like a deliberate choice, he's purposefully eschewed it in favour of a more pragmatic approach, which is weirs to me because as this poster noted
I wouldn't they have a defense capable of playing in this manner, without the added shield of being a side that can retain the ball and limit goalscoring opportunities. Krul had a good season last season, but ultimately I don't think they're capable of it.
I know losing Skipp and Buendia is a massive part of why they've changed tactics and are willing to cede the ball, but such a 180 in tactics feels that it would have inevitable results. I know some people will read this and think that it would be naive to expect a championship club to come up and play the same way, but I actually feel that this is usually the best approach. Swansea came up through the playoffs, and finished 11th in their first season, this was while sticking to their philosophy (I think Swansea were 2nd or 3rd in the possession table during their maiden PL season).
As you said he's done a great job at Norwich in terms of getting them promoted, he's spent hardly anything and has made the club a heck of a lot of money, both through the promotions and also consistently turning a profit with player recruitments and player sales. He's also someone who is comfortable bringing through young players. I think this and the stuff I've said about the Buendia sale and losing Skipp from his loan and the lack of a genuine effort to replace them, makes me feel that he's very safe as the owners know he's managing under quite strict limitations, and that if he can keep consistently getting them out of the championship while turning a profit it'll help the longterm financial security of the club and hopefully provide a platform in the 23/24 where if they do get promoted he'll have more agency in the market to add to his squad and have a team capable of playing Farke ball.
"Norwich are never gonna win the League but they still turn up every week, don't they, the pricks" - Super Hans
Brilliant
They absolutely are punching above their weight. They are a small provincial club with an owner worth 23m. Only Brentfords owner is worth less. They’ve never broken the 10m mark on a transfer. The best they can do is develop and sell. It’s not their fault that bigger clubs like Birmingham don’t have their act together.
Fans should remember that someone always has to go down.
They have kept double the amount of clean sheet we have this season.
There’s a lot of accusations of intentional under investment to get the parachute payments etc.
I don’t think that’s true at all, their owner is a true fan and a true fan wouldn’t want that
I don’t think that’s true at all, their owner is a true fan and a true fan wouldn’t want that
The long term financial security is a very a important factor. I think this can be forgotten sometimes by supporters of clubs that are bigger, as they're usually in a much safer position and it's a less pressing issue
The parachute payments doesn't really make sense, when combined with healthy transfer activity it's of course good for the financial security of the club in question, but it's still significantly less than what a club would get for staying in the PL.
Exactly, just look at the championship again this season. Bournemouth, WBA and Fulham occupying the top 3 all who went down either last year or the year before… boring.
Best thing for them to do is ride it out with their manager until next season when they are back in the championship and have him get them promotion again but then get rid of him as he clearly is not cut out to manage a newly promoted team in the premier league
If they did that everyone would claim Norwich have no morals before asking what do they expect.
Ermm
Man United - what is the point??
Imagine starting this thread on the week that Utd get battered 5-0 and the only reason it stayed to that was due to the other team going easy on them for the last 35 minutes despite Utd having 10 men.
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We will lose to Norwich City. It's in our DNA to give these sorts of teams a boost when they are feeling down.
What is the point of competing when you lose to a bitter rival 5-nada at home?
Almost as bad as the notorious 07/08 derby county team. Near same points and GD for week 18.
Was just wondering how they compared to Savage’s Derby. They are truly a worthless team.Almost as bad as the notorious 07/08 derby county team. Near same points and GD for week 18.
And next season they'll win promotion with ease yet again. Rinse and repeat...Almost as bad as the notorious 07/08 derby county team. Near same points and GD for week 18.
I think they have actually nixed that part with the Dean Smith appointment. They had to move on and try something new but Dean Smith is a poor move.
He had a good Villa side only winning with Grealish in the team, he will have them struggling in the playoff places this time around.
Cheerio. See you again in 12 months.
They’ll be back up next year then down the year after. They bring nothing to the league when they come up.
In line with a post on the opening page, the number of £10 million plus signings made by the following group of clubs according to transfermarkt.:
Southampton - 28
Fulham - 12
Crystal Palace - 11
Brighton - 10
Burnley - 9
Watford - 6
Brentford - 1
Norwich - 0
Throw in the fact that Norwich clearly haven't exactly pushed the boat on wages, and it's no surprise that they continue to struggle at Premier League level.
At least this constant yo-yoing has some excitement to it. I remember when West Brom transformed from a yo-yo club to an established Premier League from 2010, quite a few of their fans started grumbling about the Premier League glass ceiling, and saying that they missed the constant drama of promotions and relegations, especially during the Tony Pulis days.
Southampton - 28
Fulham - 12
Crystal Palace - 11
Brighton - 10
Burnley - 9
Watford - 6
Brentford - 1
Norwich - 0
Throw in the fact that Norwich clearly haven't exactly pushed the boat on wages, and it's no surprise that they continue to struggle at Premier League level.
At least this constant yo-yoing has some excitement to it. I remember when West Brom transformed from a yo-yo club to an established Premier League from 2010, quite a few of their fans started grumbling about the Premier League glass ceiling, and saying that they missed the constant drama of promotions and relegations, especially during the Tony Pulis days.
The break will be good for you pal. See ya.
So we get a year of Fulham in the premiership before they go back down and we see Norwich back up for another year.
Yet people think the premiership doesn't need fixing
Yet people think the premiership doesn't need fixing
Norwich are the main reason I think the EPL needs to be 18 teams.
Fulham seem to have pissed a lot of money up the wall considering they've been completely interchangeable with Norwich for years now.
Norwich seems like a terribly hard place to draw talent to though unless you're a young player looking for a good loan move/kick-start to your career. Nothing about it would want me to go there aside from that.
Sometimes I wonder if Fulham and Norwich will ever play in the same league again.
To provide tough games for Man United.
A fortunate late pen won by Ronaldo away then a Ronaldo rescue act hattrick at home in a 3-2 chiller
A fortunate late pen won by Ronaldo away then a Ronaldo rescue act hattrick at home in a 3-2 chiller
What does fixing refer to? Can't remember discussions about that, so genuinely curious.
I meant people giving out about a European Super League saying it would ruin the Premiership.
The Premiership has been ruined there is too big a gap between the top clubs as it is