Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

[Revaulx]

What do you mean when you say they have “achieved the cultural reset”? What is this change you speak of?

It’s all meaningless guff really. Same stuff was said about Ole a couple of years ago with his young team and talk of “playing the United way”. Fairly sure the same “cultural reset” phrase was used when he shipped out Lukaku et al. And Ole actually made a top two finish!

Ok maybe it’s too early to say they’ve achieved anything, but they had a backroom setup that was riven with infighting, allegedly corrupt (even United have been free from that by the look of it) and a squad of perennial underachievers, some ludicrously overpriced (Pepe), and a major problem with Big Time Charlie attitudes. They now seem to have sorted the backroom out, have a sensible recruitment policy, have not only a decent academy but also a reliable mechanism for bringing players through into the first team, and a much better attitude in the dressing room.

And I can understand why this rubs United fans up the wrong way. It’s classic Arsenal. The British media has always been full of Arsenal fans desperate to exaggerate their achievements. Going all the way back to Wenger and the insanely over the top praise every time a bunch of their kids smashed a team of PL reserves in the league cup, en route to scraping a top four finish. It’s tiresome.

Which is why I can’t stand Arsenal!

The constant trotting out of the excuse that they haven’t got (or the tight owner won’t spend) any money is particularly tiresome. There was a bit of belt tightening around the time the new stadium was being built, but they’ve been up there with the big spenders for years now.

The fawning over their “great football” was sickening as well; the notion that there was something noble and glorious about the way they were constantly losing yet playing “the right way”. They sometimes had individuals that were good to watch (I loved Carzola) but bloody hell, they were hardly peak Cruyff.

Oh yeah, and Ramsdale after Bruno missed that penalty…

I just find it a bit weird that rather than taking comfort from the fact that a club in a not dissimilar state to United might have found a way out of its mire of shite, people are so bitter and resentful. As I said initially, it’s hardly as if Arsenal fans were lauding Lego as some sort of messiah.

 

[Donaldo]

What do you mean when you say they have “achieved the cultural reset”? What is this change you speak of?

It’s all meaningless guff really. Same stuff was said about Ole a couple of years ago with his young team and talk of “playing the United way”. Fairly sure the same “cultural reset” phrase was used when he shipped out Lukaku et al. And Ole actually made a top two finish!

And I can understand why this rubs United fans up the wrong way. It’s classic Arsenal. The British media has always been full of Arsenal fans desperate to exaggerate their achievements. Going all the way back to Wenger and the insanely over the top praise every time a bunch of their kids smashed a team of PL reserves in the league cup, en route to scraping a top four finish. It’s tiresome.

You definitely don't seem to tire of it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You definitely don't seem to tire of it.

I just miss the days when both teams were actually good! One of my best friends is a gooner. After 30 years riling each other about the rivalry we’re both just a bit broken now. Two very average teams. No high ground to be taken here.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Getting top 4 will be similar to us getting 3ed and 2ed. Just delays the inevitable and makes the next managers job that much harder.

 

[JDDL]

There seem to be a lot of Man Utd fans who are mentally stuck in the 2000s era, when top 4 belonged to Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Times have changed; while Pep and Klopp are around, top 2 for the most part belongs to Man City and Liverpool and the rest of us, including teams like Tottenham, West Ham, and Leicester, scrap for the remaining European places.

Arsenal and Man Utd can still attract great players which is an advantage, but only if Liverpool or Man City don't want them. I know some people here won't like this opinion, but if both Liverpool and Man Utd are in for a player, Liverpool is the clear first choice; a winning team with a non-toxic atmosphere that won't ruin their reputation and career.

Arsenal and Man Utd managers need to be judged in this light, as difficult as it is. Winning the league is not a reasonable expectation when there are two other clubs either of whom are capable of putting out near-perfect seasons.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

What do you mean when you say they have “achieved the cultural reset”? What is this change you speak of?

It’s all meaningless guff really. Same stuff was said about Ole a couple of years ago with his young team and talk of “playing the United way”. Fairly sure the same “cultural reset” phrase was used when he shipped out Lukaku et al. And Ole actually made a top two finish!

And I can understand why this rubs United fans up the wrong way. It’s classic Arsenal. The British media has always been full of Arsenal fans desperate to exaggerate their achievements. Going all the way back to Wenger and the insanely over the top praise every time a bunch of their kids smashed a team of PL reserves in the league cup, en route to scraping a top four finish. It’s tiresome.

I think the cultural reset was initiated when he moved on Guendouzi, Ozil and PEA.

All three of which had more to offer the club at the time they were moved on.

Ozil was moved on when he was clearly our most creative player, and he was absolutely no one to fill that creative void.

Guendouzi would still be our most talented young CM, and we really lack depth in that area of the field - as evidenced by us having to play El Neny at such a crucial point of the season.

PEA was clearly declining as a player, but to ship him off half way through a season when we were in the midst of a top four battle was the epitome of ballsy. Especially when Laca and Nketiah are your fallback options.

Another one is Saliba - the highly talented and touted CB who was bought for 30 million. IMO it was absolute madness shipping him off at the start of the season, only to spend 50 million on Ben White. Especially given we had a limited budget and had multiple areas that we needed to strengthen. Saliba has now been one of the premier CB's in France this season. He was ready for a full season and I believe he could have contributed, at the very least as a bench option, this season.

But for whatever reason Arteta considered all of them a distraction and moved them on.

That's the cultural reset. Players aren't going to be allowed to be distractions, they aren't going to hold power over the Manager or abide a lack of effort.

Personally I don't agree with all of these decisions, but there's been a clear direction in setting a culture. The jury is still out on whether it will work or bite us in the arse.

IMO it will be the same as ETH binning the likes of Pogba, Rashford and Lingaard.

 

[Jezpeza]

Do you not think this attitude is part of your problem. "We're Utd, we'll be challenging, we have a lot of money, we'll be back."

I hate to break it to you but you've had just as shit as last 8 or 9 years or so as us (our stretches even longer). In fact your probably further away than you've ever been currently in that the me. So it's ok saying 4th is a minimum, we won't settle for anything less, but it's not done you any good so far.

Also, yeah, you might have more money than us, that might help you finish higher than us, but have you more than City, Chelsea, Newcastle now? I don't know why Arsenal fans should fear their place in the pecking order & Utd fans shouldn't.

See, perhaps that's what a lot of Arsenal fans have learned since the Wenger Out days. This league is hard, & it's actually difficult to get it right, & easy to get it wrong. From what I've seen of City, Liverpool & Chelsea, you need some sort of combo of the most money, the best structure & the very best managers. Until you get 2 or 3 out the 3, your just noise, & that's what we are just now.

baloney. We have won more trophies than you in our terrible spell. ‘Just as shit’ get out of here

 

[Jezpeza]

Explain what you mean by "a team without an identity?" You "pointing it out" multiple times doesn't make it true.

I am not an Arteta fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that's a laughable suggestion to make - if there's one thing he's done right it's been him trying to develop an identity by creating a hard-working, no-nonsense, team-oriented squad.

He has moved on players he has deemed a distraction and taken a real no-nonsense approach to his squad management. Ozil, Guendouzi and PEA are all players that he has moved on because he did not like their attitudes. All of those players still had something to offer us on the pitch at the time of them being moved on. But despite that, they obviously did not fit into the identity of the team that he was fostering.

He has also implemented a very distinct game plan. Rightly or wrongly, he's made the players stick to it.

All of these things are what a normal person would consider equates to creating an identity.

Now if you want to look at a club that's without an identity then look no further than this current United side. From Ole until this current day it is a team without an identity. There is no distinct game plan. There are no pervasive team-wide traits. Players are regularly taking the piss.

It seems that either you're projecting, or you simply haven't paid any attention.

you’ve signed some mediocre young players who dont make trouble and Arteta has tried to make you a bit harder to beat. I dont see how thats a team with identity. As i say, you will find out next season what i mean. When you dont have time to do a tactical deep dive in preparation to scrape a win against 15th placed Villa Arteta will have to send them out to play your ‘brand’ of football and it will unravel rather quickly

 

[jackal&hyde]

I think the cultural reset was initiated when he moved on Guendouzi, Ozil and PEA.

All three of which had more to offer the club at the time they were moved on.

Ozil was moved on when he was clearly our most creative player, and he was absolutely no one to fill that creative void.

Guendouzi would still be our most talented young CM, and we really lack depth in that area of the field - as evidenced by us having to play El Neny at such a crucial point of the season.

PEA was clearly declining as a player, but to ship him off half way through a season when we were in the midst of a top four battle was the epitome of ballsy. Especially when Laca and Nketiah are your fallback options.

Another one is Saliba - the highly talented and touted CB who was bought for 30 million. IMO it was absolute madness shipping him off at the start of the season, only to spend 50 million on Ben White. Especially given we had a limited budget and had multiple areas that we needed to strengthen. Saliba has now been one of the premier CB's in France this season. He was ready for a full season and I believe he could have contributed, at the very least as a bench option, this season.

But for whatever reason Arteta considered all of them a distraction and moved them on.

That's the cultural reset. Players aren't going to be allowed to be distractions, they aren't going to hold power over the Manager or abide a lack of effort.

Personally I don't agree with all of these decisions, but there's been a clear direction in setting a culture. The jury is still out on whether it will work or bite us in the arse.

IMO it will be the same as ETH binning the likes of Pogba, Rashford and Lingaard.

Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?

To me it looks like he has issues with managing big personalities and without that it's going to be impossible to win the big trophies. Even the youngsters, the better they do the more "personality" they will develop, offers will come in from other clubs and so on.

 

[ThierryFabregas]

What do you mean when you say they have “achieved the cultural reset”? What is this change you speak of?

It’s all meaningless guff really. Same stuff was said about Ole a couple of years ago with his young team and talk of “playing the United way”. Fairly sure the same “cultural reset” phrase was used when he shipped out Lukaku et al. And Ole actually made a top two finish!

And I can understand why this rubs United fans up the wrong way. It’s classic Arsenal. The British media has always been full of Arsenal fans desperate to exaggerate their achievements. Going all the way back to Wenger and the insanely over the top praise every time a bunch of their kids smashed a team of PL reserves in the league cup, en route to scraping a top four finish. It’s tiresome.

Ole and Arteta's approaches have been night and day in comparison. Ole tried to placate the big entitled egos of the United dressing room and got them playing well. Those same entitled egos eventually through him under the bus. Where as Arteta booted every entitled ego out the squad and is making every player who get with the program. Arteta made sure he was the most powerful man in the dressing room, Ole conceeded power to the big personalities. Getting with the program means fighting for every ball, dropping deep to defend a parked bus and to control possession when possible. He has us shithousing, diving, wasting time and doing everything to maintain a lead. This Arsenal team doesn't have the flair and creative talents of Pogba, CR7 and many of your attacking players I've envied but they have developed a fight, determination and defensive solidarity we never had in the past. That's something that can be a basis to build on and why it's a cultural reset.

Also who are these in the British media who are full of Arsenal fans? Bit of a joke, we've traditionally been hated in the media and have less representatives than most top clubs.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?

To me it looks like he has issues with managing big personalities and without that it's going to be impossible to win the big trophies. Even the youngsters, the better they do the more "personality" they will develop, offers will come in from other clubs and so on.

All things considered finishing in the top four would be a success, as competition is stiff these days. And now Newcastle be pushing themselves into the equation.

 

[RedC]

What should he have done then?

He shouldn't have done anything, I'm just saying it's not massively impressive, given the context.

 

[jackal&hyde]

I see. A lot of it must depend on investment too I suppose. If Arsenal continue to spend more or less similar to their rivals then surely a title challenge must also be on the cards.

 

[Xyx]

We'll likely finish 5-6 points behind Chelsea at most, a team expected to challenge Liverpool and City this season, and actually favoured to have a better season than the former by many pundits, fans, and even analysts. I'm not having this "top 4 will be decided by the least shit team" narrative. Even if that's true, we obviously have concrete plans to upgrade the squad this summer, we're not naive to think that we can compete on multiple fronts next season with the thin squad we have this season. That's why we freed up the wage bill this January which baffled a lot of people.

 

[Nish115]

I just miss the days when both teams were actually good! One of my best friends is a gooner. After 30 years riling each other about the rivalry we’re both just a bit broken now. Two very average teams. No high ground to be taken here.

I mean, yh I agree ha.

But, it won't just magically happen over 1 season for either team at this point, so I don't think it's unreasonable to have goals in between. People who laugh at us for being happy to finish top 4 (and just point out Wengers era like it has any relevance to now) are just being petty. Where should be happy to finish this season? We aren't as good as Liverpool or City, and we are 3 points off Chelsea, who are the CL holders. We should be happy to be where we are now.

What annoys me is that everyone seems to think we've only got to where we are this season because: Chelsea, Spurs, United, Leicester are all underperforming. Well.. no. Arteta should get some credit for overperforming (which he is points tally wise to what most expected), with A) one of the smallest squads in the league, B) The youngest team in the league, C) The youngest manager in the league, D) The 2nd least money spent since Arteta joined out of Chelsea (£323m), United (£257m), Spurs (£216m) and Arsenal (£235m).

I think Arteta still has flaws, but, he's the youngest manager in the league for a reason. He has to also learn from his mistakes, which I think he is.

But, I agree the true test is next season. If we make 3-4 good signings in the summer, I want to see how Arteta copes with what will be mostly his squad, and with more games. If he manages another top 4 finish, and a good cup run, then i'd say we're in good hands.

 

[GoonerBear]

baloney. We have won more trophies than you in our terrible spell. ‘Just as shit’ get out of here

Have you?

Post Fergie Utd 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 Europa League.

Arsenal 4 FA Cups. You really think you've been much better than us post Fergie?

 

[BurgerVan]

ok mate i hope you arent crying under your bed about it….

A good example of your fans mindset and shows how small your clubs become. You were bitching about wenger ‘only finishing top4’ for 15 years. Now you are doing backflips because you might finish top 4 and had expected 8th. Like a handful of shit thats slowly sliding down the wall

You make me laugh. I am so sure you expected Arsenal to have a great chance at Champions League qualification with 4 games to go. I am certainly not doing 'backflips', sorry you are upset that we are pleased with a bit of progression.

You've got a few problems of your own to worry about pal, I think you are the one who should be crying under your bed amongst the paper mache tissues.

 

[Jezpeza]

Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?

To me it looks like he has issues with managing big personalities and without that it's going to be impossible to win the big trophies. Even the youngsters, the better they do the more "personality" they will develop, offers will come in from other clubs and so on.

yeah. Imagine city coming in and offering £ for Saka and the shit that would follow that

We'll likely finish 5-6 points behind Chelsea at most, a team expected to challenge Liverpool and City this season, and actually favoured to have a better season than the former by many pundits, fans, and even analysts. I'm not having this "top 4 will be decided by the least shit team" narrative. Even if that's true, we obviously have concrete plans to upgrade the squad this summer, we're not naive to think that we can compete on multiple fronts next season with the thin squad we have this season. That's why we freed up the wage bill this January which baffled a lot of people.

yeah but chelsea have had a shocking season its not a major achievement to be ‘near them’. They should have been 20 points ahead of your lot at this stage.

Have you?

Post Fergie Utd 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 Europa League.

Arsenal 4 FA Cups. You really think you've been much better than us post Fergie?

your shit spell started in 2004. What have you won since 2004 compared to us you simpleton?

 

[Cascarino]

baloney. We have won more trophies than you in our terrible spell. ‘Just as shit’ get out of here

I hate to break it to you but you've had just as shit as last 8 or 9 years or so as us (our stretches even longer)

your shit spell started in 2004. What have you won since 2004 compared to us you simpleton?

Reading sure is hard

 

[ilrm]

The youngest team in the league

This is not bought up enough ... If they keep Arteta for a couple of more years (as long as they come top-6), this team can grow into a good side. How many times can Arsenal sack a manager and then re-initiate a rebuild?

 

[RedC]

We'll likely finish 5-6 points behind Chelsea at most, a team expected to challenge Liverpool and City this season, and actually favoured to have a better season than the former by many pundits, fans, and even analysts. I'm not having this "top 4 will be decided by the least shit team" narrative. Even if that's true, we obviously have concrete plans to upgrade the squad this summer, we're not naive to think that we can compete on multiple fronts next season with the thin squad we have this season. That's why we freed up the wage bill this January which baffled a lot of people.

Chelsea haven't even been good this season, and have seemingly stopped giving a shit completely once top 4 was locked in. You may not be "having" it, but it's completely the case.

 

[Dancfc]

This is not bought up enough ... If they keep Arteta for a couple of more years (as long as they come top-6), this team can grow into a good side. How many times can Arsenal sack a manager and then re-initiate a rebuild?

The exact same thing was said under Wenger around 2008.

Problem with these "project youths" (which the cynical side of me wonders if it really is a coincidence it got rolled out as soon as a significant number of fans started turning on Edu and Arteta) is not all of them will make the grade and the one's that do will eventually want a club to match their ambition if (as was the case with RVP, Cesc etc) the expectations don't grow alongside the players natural growth. Even now there's noises about Saka stalling on a contract.

The best thing Arsenal can do this summer is exactly what we did in 2020, sign experience and players in or around their prime, especially in defense.

 

[Cascarino]

The best thing Arsenal can do this summer is exactly what we did in 2020, sign experience and players in or around their prime, especially in defense.

That'll be down the list, they're in desperate need of strikers and CMs. Their first choice backline is pretty good, albeit injury prone.

 

[Nish115]

The exact same thing was said under Wenger around 2008.

Problem with these "project youths" (which the cynical side of me wonders if it really is a coincidence it got rolled out as soon as a significant number of fans started turning on Edu and Arteta) is not all of them will make the grade and the one's that do will eventually want a club to match their ambition if (as was the case with RVP, Cesc etc) the expectations don't grow alongside the players natural growth. Even now there's noises about Saka stalling on a contract.

The best thing Arsenal can do this summer is exactly what we did in 2020, sign experience and players in or around their prime, especially in defense.

It is different to back then a bit. Before we just had 2 or 3 young players who we just not in sync with the rest of the team in terms of growth or potential.

Now we have:

Ramsdale
Tomiyasu
Saliba
White
Gabriel
Tierney
Odegaard
Saka
ESR
Martinelli

Who all, in theory, have their better days to come. I stress in theory, because you never know what will happen. Norton-Cuffy, Tavares, Sambi, Patino, Azeez, Hutchinson, Nelson, Balogun are all players too who might play some squad depth part in the future.

In terms of signings, we need a full back, CM, Striker at the minimum. And then, it depends what happens with out goings for the rest of the squad. But, i'd rather we focused on quality for those 3 positions first. Appreciate you do need experience in the squad though, so for those 3 i'd prefer to sign players who have played a decent amount of games, but still are relatively young, 22-25ish.

 

[Ramshock]

You really can't argue that he isnt doing a good job there. Okay they can still be horrible but he definitely has them on the correct course. The way he was ruthless about getting rid of players is what OGS lacked. I still suspect Solskjaer lost the team because he wasnt ruthless enough.

 

[maniak]

You just have to read my posts in this thread to know that I'm not a fan of Arteta, but this constant moving of goalposts is a bit ridiculous.

 

[anant]

You really can't argue that he isnt doing a good job there. Okay they can still be horrible but he definitely has them on the correct course. The way he was ruthless about getting rid of players is what OGS lacked. I still suspect Solskjaer lost the team because he wasnt ruthless enough.

He's done a good job this season. And it would be stupid to argue otherwise. But over the course of his spell? Not really. 8th, 8th, 4th is not something Arsenal fans should be proud of.

And the ruthlessness started this season with Auba and Willian. One can claim OGS was ruthless in his 1st summer as well - sold Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling, etc.. But it was evident he kept a far too bloated squad this season and with us getting knocked out of LC early, there was no way he could have kept people happy

 

[Nish115]

He's done a good job this season. And it would be stupid to argue otherwise. But over the course of his spell? Not really. 8th, 8th, 4th is not something Arsenal fans should be proud of.

And the ruthlessness started this season with Auba and Willian. One can claim OGS was ruthless in his 1st summer as well - sold Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling, etc.. But it was evident he kept a far too bloated squad this season and with us getting knocked out of LC early, there was no way he could have kept people happy

People look at this far more in black and white than they should.

He took over Arsenal in 11th position, halfway in the season. He finished 8th, but over his period in charge he was 6th in terms of results. He then won an FA Cup and CS.

2nd season, we were god awful until Christmas, this was his worst ever period for us. He played 5 atb with Willian in attack, and it wasn't working at all. Then against Chelsea he binned off Willian and went 4-2-3-1 introducing ESR as a number 10, and since then we've improved A LOT.

Again, he's a young manager who will make mistakes. We have to accept that as Arsenal fans, it's more about how he learns from them which is interesting to me.

His ruthlessness started 1 year into him taking over, which is fine. You can't expect a manager to be ruthless from day 1, when they have no idea what kind of characters and players they have around them.

 

[MexicanCowboy]

The fact they have more points than United and Spurs and are very close to chelsea with a squad of mostly pretty average players should give the coach some credit.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

The arsenal board is happy with Arteta. If Edu can tie down Nketiah's contract and sign another striker in the summer that would be great. Pepe needs to move on for his own good as he is not getting many minutes in Arsenal. Elneny may stay in Arsenal as well. We need more depth in the team for European football next season.

 

[GoonerBear]

your shit spell started in 2004. What have you won since 2004 compared to us you simpleton?

@Cascarino has said all that's needed to be said.

 

[Topgun1]

Chelsea haven't even been good this season, and have seemingly stopped giving a shit completely once top 4 was locked in. You may not be "having" it, but it's completely the case.

Mate, the season is 38 games long and we're 34 games into it. Tuchel was trying to go for the title this season having won the CL last season. So for Arteta to get this raw sub par and dysfunctional Arsenal side to within 3 points of this Chelsea side, at this stage of the season - no matter happens next - is truly astonishing.

Either Tuchel isn't a good manager in League campaigns or Arteta has over performed considerably. You cannot escape those conclusions.

You can make the case that Tuchel isn't a good manager over the course of a league season, in which case, there should be more question marks over his future should Chelsea aspire to win the title. But I'm guessing you don't want to go down that road.

The fact is, Tuchel had a superior and more experienced team at his disposal than both Arsenal and Tottenham, but the table doesn't reflect that. So it's a question for the management.

 

[RedC]

Mate, the season is 38 games long and we're 34 games into it. Tuchel was trying to go for the title this season having won the CL last season. So for Arteta to get this raw sub par and dysfunctional Arsenal side to within 3 points of this Chelsea side, at this stage of the season - no matter happens next - is truly astonishing.

Either Tuchel isn't a good manager in League campaigns or Arteta has over performed considerably. You cannot escape those conclusions.

You can make the case that Tuchel isn't a good manager over the course of a league season, in which case, there should be more question marks over his future should Chelsea aspire to win the title. But I'm guessing you don't want to go down that road.

The fact is, Tuchel had a superior and more experienced team at his disposal than both Arsenal and Tottenham, but the table doesn't reflect that. So it's a question for the management.

Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.

 

[Topgun1]

Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.

I agree that Arteta is our Ole. I 100% agree with that.

But what does that mean for Tuchel's chances of winning the League title at Chelsea? You're not following the argument to its logical conclusion here.

What makes you think Tuchel can win the League title at Chelsea, having performed on-par with Arteta this season, with a superior squad at his disposal?

 

[Nish115]

Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.

I like how, for Auba people blame Arteta, saying he couldn't coach him. But, for Lukaku, it's nothing to do with Tuchel, it's all on Lukaku.

The Ole comparisons are lazy. The squads that Ole had were better than Artetas had/has. The biggest issue with Ole, was that there was no consistency. One day he'd beat a huge team, the next he'd struggle against a random team for no reason at all. He was also just too nice a manager, as bad as that sounds.

Arteta has had to do a lot more behind the scenes, and there's reasons why we've dropped points at most stages this season. But, i've seen Arteta learn from that. Take just now, the lineup he put up against Brighton was terrible, but he adjusted it quite a lot for Chelsea to do something different, and it has worked since.

Why do people not see it panning out well? What are the reasons.

 

[Utd heap]

Are Arsenal fans annoyed they aren't getting showered with plaudits on a Utd forum again.

 

[Donaldo]

Ole Solskjaer has been a fecking manager for over a decade. There is no comparison.

 

[Donaldo]

Are Arsenal fans annoyed they aren't getting showered with plaudits on a Utd forum again.

I think you're reading the room wrong.

 

[Mogget]

Are Arsenal fans annoyed they aren't getting showered with plaudits on a Utd forum again.

I don't think so, no.

 

[Donaldo]

Ole Solskjaer has been a fecking manager for over a decade. There is no comparison.

Should add that his greatest honour is Manager of the Month January 2019.