Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp | Depp wins on all 3 counts

[Drainy]

Alternatively she has Borderline Personality Disorder and a fear of abandonment and would become upset and unstable when he wanted to leave.

Whichever, really

 

[VidaRed]

She can knife him in the chest multiple times and then shit on his dead body live infront of the judge and jury and still not get convicted.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Yes but its important to remember during those times he was a different man. When he wants space, she tries to stop him because he will return as someone else.

This would actually make for an entertaining supernatural movie script. m night shyamalan special like he did with Split.

This cracks me up tbh. Someone should definitely make a movie on it. Sweet loveable romantic partner during the day and Monster by the night. Let's make it a parody.

 

[Moby]

Jonny’s lawyer Camille is so fecking good. The other side have no idea how to handle her

It was like watching a sunday league team trying to take on a PL one and getting utterly outclassed. That lawyer doesn't seem to be fit for what they are up against, even in terms of basic cross examination from what I saw.

 

[clarkydaz]

It was like watching a sunday league team trying to take on a PL one and getting utterly outclassed. That lawyer doesn't seem to be fit for what they are up against, even in terms of basic cross examination from what I saw.

Its hard to defend someone like Heard though, what can you go off? She even threw her team under the bus yesterday saying i had pics to prove the lie i just made up, but they didnt put it forward

 

[Moby]

Its hard to defend someone like Heard though, what can you go off? She even threw her team under the bus yesterday saying i had pics to prove the lie i just made up, but they didnt put it forward

Yeah there is a clear gap between them, but I thought that lawyer was making some schoolboy errors by phrasing the questions incorrectly, maybe it was intentional. Either way that was an epic fail.

 

[shamans]

This cracks me up tbh. Someone should definitely make a movie on it. Sweet loveable romantic partner during the day and Monster by the night. Let's make it a parody.

You mean like thousands of abusive relationships in real life?

Anyway, this is the third person in this case crying about the abuse. How do folks reconcile that? Hard to believe it's the third person faking tears.

There's just too much smoke here for there not to be fire. Both of them are lying to an extent. I think Depp 100% beat her and I think she beat him as the initiator as well on occasion. My gut feeling is the brutality of Depps beat downs have been exaggerated but can't be sure.

I don't buy the fact that Amber Heard planned this for over a decade building a case here. As I have said before though, trial by media has already took place. In the media's eyes she is guilty and a liar and that's what Depp wanted to achieve.

Depp (unless he's absolutely stupid) knew he would never win this case. He has won the public sentiment though, which is what he was out for. The out of context "tell the world" clip was all that was needed.

Also, that lawyer for depp yesterday made some disturbing arguments. Regardless of whether Amber Heard is lying or not, questioning if she cut herself, if she was "smiling" and being loving towards her husband as if that is proof you did not get abused? There are valid holes and inconsistencies in Heard's stories. Just found it uncomfortable she focussed on "mental issues" as proof you've probably not been abused.

 

[Sviken]

I think Depp 100% beat her and I think she beat him as the initiator as well on occasion.

There's literally zero visible bruising on Heard in any of her pictures. The closest you got to any sort of 'damage' on her is a cut lip which could easily be done via lip biting (I know since I've cut my lip like that a lot). How can you say with absolute 100% certainty that Depp beat her? When he never even admits it in a recording between them, but she does admit in same recordings to hitting him? We're supposed to trust a person that has been caught in multiple lies here and just take her word for it?

 

[fallengt]

The new girl is Amber's friend?
Isn't it weird that she only cried on the second day even though they showed her the same photos on the first day?

 

[Drainy]

How is it disturbing to ask someone who is saying that they got cuts inflicted on them from broken glass and an attack if they had a history of doing it to themselves when you have a therapists record of her saying she had?

One more person who is lying, other than Amber and her cronies, obviously

 

[hobbers]

Anyway, this is the third person in this case crying about the abuse. How do folks reconcile that? Hard to believe it's the third person faking tears.

There's just too much smoke here for there not to be fire. Both of them are lying to an extent. I think Depp 100% beat her and I think she beat him as the initiator as well on occasion. My gut feeling is the brutality of Depps beat downs have been exaggerated but can't be sure.

One person faking tears is no different to 3 or 300 people faking tears.

The claims of sexual assault with a bottle show you the depths Heard is prepared to go to.

Amber claims Depp held her down with one hand on a countertop, having just lost his finger smashing a non-existent antique phone into the wall, also having just taken 10 MDMA pills. Depp claims she severed his finger throwing bottles at him and we have actual photos of him less a fingertip in a hospital gurney, complete with a cig burn on his cheek. You dont need to be a detective to work out which story is credible.

And if she can lie about that she can lie about anything.

 

[Sviken]

Depp claims she severed his finger throwing bottles at him

That's easily proven. There's a tape at the hospital were Amber flat out admits to Jerry (Johnny's bodyguard who passed away) that she cut his finger with a bottle (you can find it on Youtube). But I heard that tape is not permissible in court... for some reason? Weird, because that tape alone will outright contradict most of Amber's bullshit about him

 

[FireballXL5]

Those pictures were complete nothingburgers.

 

[Drainy]

That's easily proven. There's a tape at the hospital were Amber flat out admits to Jerry (Johnny's bodyguard who passed away) that she cut his finger with a bottle (you can find it on Youtube). But I heard that tape is not permissible in court... for some reason? Weird, because that tape alone will outright contradict most of Amber's bullshit about him

They agreed to not include tapes recorded with people other than the parties.

 

[shamans]

There's literally zero visible bruising on Heard in any of her pictures. The closest you got to any sort of 'damage' on her is a cut lip which could easily be done via lip biting (I know since I've cut my lip like that a lot). How can you say with absolute 100% certainty that Depp beat her? When he never even admits it in a recording between them, but she does admit in same recordings to hitting him? We're supposed to trust a person that has been caught in multiple lies here and just take her word for it?

Bruises and pulled out hair. Depp on recording admitting he head butted her. Depp never denied on audios about his physical violence. Eye witness accounts (some yet to testify). There is that exchange with Heard's next door neighbor neighbor as well that is very detailed. Referring to himself as a "monster" and not knowing what happens the next day. Some of his statements: ""We're married. Now I can punch her in the face and no one can do anything about it".

You are asking me 100% certainty. Do we have that for anything? But from all of their text exchanges, especially where they reconcile to me it honestly seems like they were both physical with each other.

 

[shamans]

One person faking tears is no different to 3 or 300 people faking tears.

The claims of sexual assault with a bottle show you the depths Heard is prepared to go to.

Amber claims Depp held her down with one hand on a countertop, having just lost his finger smashing a non-existent antique phone into the wall, also having just taken 10 MDMA pills. Depp claims she severed his finger throwing bottles at him and we have actual photos of him less a fingertip in a hospital gurney, complete with a cig burn on his cheek. You dont need to be a detective to work out which story is credible.

And if she can lie about that she can lie about anything.

If your mind is made up, then it's not. If every witness is gonna be labelled "staged. A friend. Isn't it weird they looked to the left then right?" it won't matter.

 

[hobbers]

If your mind is made up, then it's not. If every witness is gonna be labelled "staged. A friend. Isn't it weird they looked to the left then right?" it won't matter.

But the two witnesses you're talking about are her friends. And both are testifying about things she told them not things they witnessed first hand.

 

[Drainy]

But the two witnesses you're talking about are her friends. And both are testifying about things she told them not things they witnessed first hand.

In fairness to shamans, they were her friends. Past tense.

 

[Sviken]

They agreed to not include tapes recorded with people other than the parties.

Can't they just leave her part of talking in it or is that not allowed?

Bruises and pulled out hair. Depp on recording admitting he head butted her. Depp never denied on audios about his physical violence. Eye witness accounts (some yet to testify). There is that exchange with Heard's next door neighbor neighbor as well that is very detailed. Referring to himself as a "monster" and not knowing what happens the next day. Some of his statements: ""We're married. Now I can punch her in the face and no one can do anything about it".

I haven't seen a single bruise and I'm legit honest. I've seen a woman with no makeup trying to pass as she has bruises because she has eyebags from lack of sleep. Has anyone even seen bruises of punches here? It's not a pretty sight, especially on a woman. It's impossible to believe me he actually punched her even once, let alone beat her the way she described him as beating her.

Depp denies at least twice (indirectly). In one of the recordings he says "don't tell me what it feels like to be punched". That's pretty weird, if he beat her constantly. Shouldn't she know already what it feels like given she is apparently beaten almost every single day? In the recording where she invites him (post-restraining order) to talk he accuses her of spreading vile lies about him and ends it on somethng like "after all the lies you spread and shit you pulled"? This is in response of her allegations that he beat her and abused her. Why would he say that if it was actually even remotely true? That wasn't even recorded by him so he had no reason to lie

You also post one of Amber's best friends "hearsay" testimony as some kind of evidence? Why should we believe this guy is telling the truth?

You are asking me 100% certainty. Do we have that for anything? But from all of their text exchanges, especially where they reconcile to me it honestly seems like they were both physical with each other.

We have with 100% certainty that Amber hit Johnny Depp. That's a fact. She admits it. He admits it. We have her blaming him that he runs away all the time instead of "acting like a man" and she relishes confrontation.

On the other hand we have with 100% certainty proven that Johnny Depp is a drug and alcohol addict (something Heard is definitely guilty of, as well, btw) and we have established that he send some texts in which he calls her various names to his friends. Is that it?

 

[Moby]

There are valid holes and inconsistencies in Heard's stories. Just found it uncomfortable she focussed on "mental issues" as proof you've probably not been abused.

There aren't just holes, there have been uncovered some disgusting lies that any half decent person who has any concern for the broader issue of domestic violence against women would think a 1000 times before making up. It is unimaginable for someone being sexually abused by a fecking bottle that ended up in bleeding, or having a broken nose as well as several other injuries she claimed to never have consulted a doctor for it. It isn't even her saying that the medical records can't be found or whatever, in her words she suffered all that and never saw a doctor. feck off.

Second massively concerning thing was regarding the donation, especially as she went about it previously getting favourable PR for not keeping a single dime, going on talk shows saying how she didn't need anything from him, yeah right. Show us the bank accounts and we'd know. Again, lying about donating to a charity is genuinely disgraceful.

I've little to no interest on who wins this trial or who comes out looking better in the media, either of these people and what happens to their careers is the least of my concern. However the most disturbing thing that will come out of this trial which is in a huge public sphere as of now is how a woman made up horrible and disgusting lies about being a domestic violence and sexual abuse victim and there is nothing more damaging to the cause of domestic violence and sexual abuse against women than that. That is exactly the ammo the sexist cnuts who like to downplay abuse against women need and everytime in future a metoo or a high profile case similar to this will come up there will 100% be references to this case and how 'one should not believe women' even when they get the courage to come out in public and open up about the horrible things they have gone through. That's what is going to piss off anyone who is genuinely concerned about the social issues of violence and abuse against women.

 

[NicolaSacco]

One person faking tears is no different to 3 or 300 people faking tears.

The claims of sexual assault with a bottle show you the depths Heard is prepared to go to.

Amber claims Depp held her down with one hand on a countertop, having just lost his finger smashing a non-existent antique phone into the wall, also having just taken 10 MDMA pills. Depp claims she severed his finger throwing bottles at him and we have actual photos of him less a fingertip in a hospital gurney, complete with a cig burn on his cheek. You dont need to be a detective to work out which story is credible.

And if she can lie about that she can lie about anything.

Please explain why the phone doesn’t exist, without simply pointing out that there aren’t pictures of it. If you can’t you should really reassess your motivation in this thread.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Just come across this today. Amber literally caught herself in her own lies, its really embarrassing.

 

[shamans]

There aren't just holes, there have been uncovered some disgusting lies that any half decent person who has any concern for the broader issue of domestic violence against women would think a 1000 times before making up. It is unimaginable for someone being sexually abused by a fecking bottle that ended up in bleeding, or having a broken nose as well as several other injuries she claimed to never have consulted a doctor for it. It isn't even her saying that the medical records can't be found or whatever, in her words she suffered all that and never saw a doctor. feck off.

Second massively concerning thing was regarding the donation, especially as she went about it previously getting favourable PR for not keeping a single dime, going on talk shows saying how she didn't need anything from him, yeah right. Show us the bank accounts and we'd know. Again, lying about donating to a charity is genuinely disgraceful.

I've little to no interest on who wins this trial or who comes out looking better in the media, either of these people and what happens to their careers is the least of my concern. However the most disturbing thing that will come out of this trial which is in a huge public sphere as of now is how a woman made up horrible and disgusting lies about being a domestic violence and sexual abuse victim and there is nothing more damaging to the cause of domestic violence and sexual abuse against women than that. That is exactly the ammo the sexist cnuts who like to downplay abuse against women need and everytime in future a metoo or a high profile case similar to this will come up there will 100% be references to this case and how 'one should not believe women' even when they get the courage to come out in public and open up about the horrible things they have gone through. That's what is going to piss off anyone who is genuinely concerned about the social issues of violence and abuse against women.

I didn't read the rest of your post after this, as that's the disturbing part to me. The abuse must not have took place because X did not occur is what is concerning and it's not just about this case.

As I said, there are holes in what she said that I doubt the real sequence of events. I doubt she never initiated but some of the attitudes towards "aha! No abuse because X never happened" is just said to see.

But the two witnesses you're talking about are her friends. And both are testifying about things she told them not things they witnessed first hand.

That's fair. You can question witnesses that were (or are?) her friends but it's not just that. In context what I'm saying is if your mind is made up you will always find something wrong.

I haven't seen a single bruise and I'm legit honest. I've seen a woman with no makeup trying to pass as she has bruises because she has eyebags from lack of sleep. Has anyone even seen bruises of punches here? It's not a pretty sight, especially on a woman. It's impossible to believe me he actually punched her even once, let alone beat her the way she described him as beating her.

Depp denies at least twice (indirectly). In one of the recordings he says "don't tell me what it feels like to be punched". That's pretty weird, if he beat her constantly. Shouldn't she know already what it feels like given she is apparently beaten almost every single day? In the recording where she invites him (post-restraining order) to talk he accuses her of spreading vile lies about him and ends it on somethng like "after all the lies you spread and shit you pulled"? This is in response of her allegations that he beat her and abused her. Why would he say that if it was actually even remotely true? That wasn't even recorded by him so he had no reason to lie

You also post one of Amber's best friends "hearsay" testimony as some kind of evidence? Why should we believe this guy is telling the truth?


We have with 100% certainty that Amber hit Johnny Depp. That's a fact. She admits it. He admits it. We have her blaming him that he runs away all the time instead of "acting like a man" and she relishes confrontation.

On the other hand we have with 100% certainty proven that Johnny Depp is a drug and alcohol addict (something Heard is definitely guilty of, as well, btw) and we have established that he send some texts in which he calls her various names to his friends. Is that it?

You are wrong about "has anyone seen punches?" thing there. I know for a fact women who were hit by their husbands all the time and they do NOT always look like those pictures of Rihanna. I think you know this as well and hand on your heart, you can't say that every man who hits his wife has her looking "wrecked".

The rest of your post, I disagree and I think it's out of context especially the "acting like a man" audio clip but at least that is valid evidence and I wish people focussed on stuff like that more.

As for the witness, he was a close friend of both and doesn't seem to gain anything from this case at all.


EDIT: Trial just showed another picture of her with a massive bruise under her right cheek. I have no idea how that is sleep deprivation.

 

[Drainy]

Just come across this today. Amber literally caught herself in her own lies, its really embarrassing.

A truly credibile witness.

That was a great moment.

 

[Sviken]

You are wrong about "has anyone seen punches?" thing there. I know for a fact women who were hit by their husbands all the time and they do NOT always look like those pictures of Rihanna. I think you know this as well and hand on your heart, you can't say that every man who hits his wife has her looking "wrecked".

Man, be real here. I can show you way more pictures than just Rihanna of women that really got beaten and punched in the face and they are not pretty, but I don't know if that's allowed here. Are we supposed to believe that Depp with multiple rings on his fingers, punched her in the face multiple times and didn't manage to produce and bruising, swelling or large cuts on her face? She doesn't even have the excuse of "makeup" here either. All she has is a couple of eyebags If eyebags are synanymous with domestic violence, then oh god.

The rest of your post, I disagree and I think it's out of context especially the "acting like a man" audio clip but at least that is valid evidence and I wish people focussed on stuff like that more.

She literally says in the text "Don't be the monster and run away at the first sign of trouble. Please, be a man." Followed by a bunch of begging for her to see him and what not. So are we supposed to take her word for granted and that she meant something entirely else or are we supposed to believe our eyes here which clearly indicate what he meant? That he was a fecking pussy and couldn't deal with her bitching, in her mind.

As for the witness, he was a close friend of both and doesn't seem to gain anything from this case at all.

No, he definitely wasn't a close friend of both. He might have been a leech of Johnny and his money, but he was firmly Amber's friend. Same as Raquel and Drew. All were introduced to Johnny by Amber and all were living on his money.

EDIT: Trial just showed another picture of her with a massive bruise under her right cheek. I have no idea how that is sleep deprivation.

"Massive bruise" is a gross overexaggeration. Of what pic we are talking about? The one under a yellow light? My cheeks look more red like that under a similar scenario. But I don't believe I've been abused.

 

[Moby]

I didn't read the rest of your post after this, as that's the disturbing part to me. The abuse must not have took place because X did not occur is what is concerning and it's not just about this case.

As I said, there are holes in what she said that I doubt the real sequence of events. I doubt she never initiated but some of the attitudes towards "aha! No abuse because X never happened" is just said to see.

It wouldn't really have helped your case if read the rest of it as you are pretty much beyond help at this point. Keep being interested in point scoring on the internet and getting a kick out of taking the moral high ground while the matter of violence and abuse against women takes a nosedive about which you don't really give a toss.

 

[hobbers]

Please explain why the phone doesn’t exist, without simply pointing out that there aren’t pictures of it. If you can’t you should really reassess your motivation in this thread.

Okay fair enough, the phone might have existed.

But there is no evidence of it existing, in a smashed or unsmashed state. And again you have to question why someone who is so good at photographing knocked over bottles, unsnorted lines of cocaine and comatose pirates would somehow manage to not photograph an antique phone smashed to pieces.

Especially if that smashed up antique phone was the reason your partner lost his finger, an injury that he could try and blame on you. It was Heard's own testimony that the reason she took photos of Depp and the mess he made while off his face was to prove it to him afterwards when he was more lucid.

 

[Drainy]

It's interesting that Heard can't get people to come into court to be grilled in her defence.

Maybe they prefer it this way though.

 

[shamans]

It wouldn't really have helped your case if read the rest of it as you are pretty much beyond help at this point. Keep being interested in point scoring on the internet and getting a kick out of taking the moral high ground while the matter of violence and abuse against women takes a nosedive about which you don't really give a toss.

Completely irrelevant to what I've said and given you have already attacked me in this thread for no reason I should have stuck to my initial thought of not engaging with you

 

[fishfingers15]

There aren't just holes, there have been uncovered some disgusting lies that any half decent person who has any concern for the broader issue of domestic violence against women would think a 1000 times before making up. It is unimaginable for someone being sexually abused by a fecking bottle that ended up in bleeding, or having a broken nose as well as several other injuries she claimed to never have consulted a doctor for it. It isn't even her saying that the medical records can't be found or whatever, in her words she suffered all that and never saw a doctor. feck off.

Second massively concerning thing was regarding the donation, especially as she went about it previously getting favourable PR for not keeping a single dime, going on talk shows saying how she didn't need anything from him, yeah right. Show us the bank accounts and we'd know. Again, lying about donating to a charity is genuinely disgraceful.

I've little to no interest on who wins this trial or who comes out looking better in the media, either of these people and what happens to their careers is the least of my concern. However the most disturbing thing that will come out of this trial which is in a huge public sphere as of now is how a woman made up horrible and disgusting lies about being a domestic violence and sexual abuse victim and there is nothing more damaging to the cause of domestic violence and sexual abuse against women than that. That is exactly the ammo the sexist cnuts who like to downplay abuse against women need and everytime in future a metoo or a high profile case similar to this will come up there will 100% be references to this case and how 'one should not believe women' even when they get the courage to come out in public and open up about the horrible things they have gone through. That's what is going to piss off anyone who is genuinely concerned about the social issues of violence and abuse against women.

Thank you for a brilliant post. There are some aspects that i slightly disagree on but an absolute peach of a post

 

[Moby]

Completely irrelevant to what I've said and given you have already attacked me in this thread for no reason I should have stuck to my initial thought of not engaging with you

Oh I have absolutely no problem in calling out utter bullshit spouted in the guise of concern for any genuine cause, let alone one as massively significant as domestic violence and sexual abuse against women.

 

[Moby]

Thank you for a brilliant post. There are some aspects that i slightly disagree on but an absolute peach of a post

No it's understandable if people have different views on the specific events that I wrote as an example and it is absolutely open to interpretation even at this point when it looks quite lopsided but the overall outcome of this trial and the damage it will 100% do for the broader issue is what I mainly wanted to express.

 

[fishfingers15]

Completely irrelevant to what I've said and given you have already attacked me in this thread for no reason I should have stuck to my initial thought of not engaging with you

You should really read what he has said in the later part of the post.

 

[fishfingers15]

No it's understandable if people have different views on the specific events that I wrote as an example and it is absolutely open to interpretation even at this point when it looks quite lopsided but the overall outcome of this trial and the damage it will 100% do for the broader issue is what I mainly wanted to express.

Absolutely. There are scores of women living in absolute horror of domestic abuse without an out, and we are out through not one but two trials in UK and the US.

Think Depp knows full well that he can't win the case but he has achieved what he wanted to. Don't really understand what ACLU were thinking getting Amber Heard to pen an op-ed on domestic abuse when it seems she instigated many such attacks herself. Collateral damage between a past it addict actor and a psycho woman masquerading as an actress is just too much

 

[Smores]

Oh I have absolutely no problem in calling out utter bullshit spouted in the guise of concern for any genuine cause, let alone one as massively significant as domestic violence and sexual abuse against women.

Yeah i get the impression some are thinking they have to take what they perceive as a moral sided position.

My wife and her whatsapp group of friends have all been discussing this and all think she's lying and damaging the genuine DV issue. Not that women are necessarily any more equipped to make a judgement on a legal matter but i know they'd roll eyes at fake support from men 'cos feminism'.

 

[Sky1981]

How can anyone defend amber at this point is baffling.

This maybe a point scoring trial but the principle is still the same to me. A human being accused another human being wrongly and in other cases it could lead to jail time. How's that fair?

We should side with her just because it's still 1% probable even if she's proven she made the 99%up and lock Johny up?

She claimed Johny punch her repeatedly with rings on his fingers, which proven to be a lie. That's a very sinister lies that could get a man killed in the old times and jail time in modern times

Thank goodness she's a bad liar, if she's a little smarter johny could be behind bars

 

[kouroux]

For what it's worth, I've seen dozens of comments on youtube videos from women sharing their own experiences of DV and basically saying that Amber has done a monumental disservice to what is a very serious matter. If these women do not support Amber then it says it all tbh.

 

[Sviken]

She claimed Johny punch her repeatedly with rings on his fingers, which proven to be a lie. That's a very sinister lies that could get a man killed in the old times and jail time in modern times

Forget about the punching. Shel literally lied about him raping her violently with a bottle after he cut his finger off. You can't get any lower than that.

 

[bugmat]

Bruises and pulled out hair. Depp on recording admitting he head butted her. Depp never denied on audios about his physical violence. Eye witness accounts (some yet to testify). There is that exchange with Heard's next door neighbor neighbor as well that is very detailed. Referring to himself as a "monster" and not knowing what happens the next day. Some of his statements: ""We're married. Now I can punch her in the face and no one can do anything about it".

You are asking me 100% certainty. Do we have that for anything? But from all of their text exchanges, especially where they reconcile to me it honestly seems like they were both physical with each other.

All hearsay - none of those statements are on audio - all from her "witnesses", all with no proof . The bolded bit from one guy who said he was told this and heard her scream over a phone. There is a reason she went to the UK civil court (despite them being American and everything happening in the US) - a court where people dont need evidence to win a case, just he said she said and whoever the judge feels like believing wins. Her case would be thrown out at a criminal court, yet everything she claims would be deserving of jail sentences if true There is zero evidence for any of her claims.

Pitiful really. When there are serious cases of domestic abuse happening daily around us we dont need to see this narcissist compulsive liar weaken their cause.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I like that during the intermission, after the lawyers hug each other and Johnny - the camera pans to the clock.

It was the clock all along!

They've been dropping hints since Season 1 that the clock isn't what it seems.