19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)

[Carolina Red]

or joseph robinette biden can sign an executive order banning assault rifles.

No he can't. That's not how EO's work.

The original AWB was an act of Congress, and any future one will have to be as well.

 

[entropy]

yes he can

 

[Carolina Red]

yes he can

Okay, sure. Let's just make believe.

Feel free to explain how an executive order can be issued on a non-existing piece of legislation.

 

[calodo2003]

For those who might not know, that’s the democrat running for governor…

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[entropy]

Okay, sure. Let's just make believe.

Feel free to explain how an executive order can be issued on a non-existing piece of legislation.

he can if he wants to. he can also sign an eo canceling student debt. instead he is doing nothing.

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[Carolina Red]

he can if he wants to.

Cool. Enjoy la-la land.

 

[Klopper76]

For those who might not know, that’s the democrat running for governor…

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The right wing will jump on him but he's right. Cruz takes so much financial gain from the NRA.

 

[VanDeBank]

I don't see either of those statements as contradicting what you have said to be honest.

They imply Republicans care about fetuses.

 

[RedDevil@84]

For those who might not know, that’s the democrat running for governor…

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Meh. The Republicans will keep shouting that Democrats want to take away the constitutional rights and politicizing the tragedy.
Their voters will agree that evil Democrats who are anti-Christ worshippers and agents of communist countries are trying to take over.

Same old saga repeats.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

he can if he wants to. he can also sign an eo canceling student debt. instead he is doing nothing.

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If you look at what her plans were there an executive order did not include that specific thing, as it was under the legislation section. EOs are more or less just directives for how a POTUS wants their administration to behave regarding enforcing existing legislation, so their power is limited.

 

[Carolina Red]

he can if he wants to. he can also sign an eo canceling student debt. instead he is doing nothing.

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The tweet you linked to doesn't even have an EO for banning assault weapons... it includes "Passing a new federal assault weapons ban" because Elizabeth Warren knows what you can and can't do with an EO.

 

[MarylandMUFan]

The tweet you linked to doesn't even have an EO for banning assault weapons... it includes "Passing a new federal assault weapons ban" because Elizabeth Warren knows what you can and can't do with an EO.

Yeah, nothing meaningful can happen without Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court. Also, for those living in Europe, I am not sure you understand how well the NRA did in linking guns to freedom, religion, and patriotism. I live in a blue state (but a red county) and I can't drive anywhere without seeing a truck with some sort of guns/freedom type sticker or decal. It's tied to their identity and I don't see it changing.

 

[Carolina Red]

If you look at what her plans were there an executive order did not include that specific thing, as it was under the legislation section. EOs are more or less just directives for how a POTUS wants their administration to behave regarding enforcing existing legislation, so their power is limited.

"No it isn't"

 

[SirAF]

For those who might not know, that’s the democrat running for governor…

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Just saw that, what a fecking hero.

 

[Carolina Red]

Yeah, nothing meaningful can happen without Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court. Also, for those living in Europe, I am not sure you understand how well the NRA did in linking guns to freedom, religion, and patriotism. I live in a blue state (but a red county) and I can't drive anywhere without seeing a truck with some sort of guns/freedom type sticker or decal. It's tied to their identity and I don't see it changing.

Very very true.

 

[rpitchfo]

Yeah, nothing meaningful can happen without Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court. Also, for those living in Europe, I am not sure you understand how well the NRA did in linking guns to freedom, religion, and patriotism. I live in a blue state (but a red county) and I can't drive anywhere without seeing a truck with some sort of guns/freedom type sticker or decal. It's tied to their identity and I don't see it changing.

It happened in Australia after port Arthur. Everyone came together to say enough is enough. The government discredited the NRA as extremists. America stops needing to see itself as a special case. You don’t exist in a vacuum. Other countries have searched their souls and made changes.

 

[entropy]

If you look at what her plans were there an executive order did not include that specific thing, as it was under the legislation section. EOs are more or less just directives for how a POTUS wants their administration to behave regarding enforcing existing legislation, so their power is limited.

I know it didn’t include specifically banning assault rifles. But you get my drift. There are things that can be achieved through eo.

 

[Carolina Red]

It happened in Australia after port Arthur. Everyone came together to say enough is enough. The government discredited the NRA as extremists. America stops needing to see itself as a special case. You don’t exist in a vacuum. Other countries have searched their souls and made changes.

Look up how many Port Arthur sized shootings we've had since Australia had Port Arthur.

 

[Carolina Red]

I know it didn’t include specifically banning assault rifles. But you get my drift. There are things that can be achieved through eo.

We got your drift when you doubled and tripled down that an EO could ban assault weapons.

 

[entropy]

did you expect warren’s plan to be ditto to biden’s?

 

[MTF]

Some analyst/politician was on MSNBC last night discussing the second amendment was written before the modern bullet existed. Small lead balls/pellets were used in that era. The person said he doubts this particular amendment would have been written the way it was and so vague if high-projectile instruments like an AR-15 or M-4 had existed. That and we did not have the uniformed services like we see today so the militia was necessary to national/state defense.

Just to reinforce, the United States Army literally did not exist in 1791.

 

[Raoul]

No he can't. That's not how EO's work.

The original AWB was an act of Congress, and any future one will have to be as well.

Can't Biden simply issue an EO to cancel the 2nd Amendment ?

 

[DJ Jeff]

any theories on why this basically wasn't a thing before Columbine, limited to maybe 10-15 incidents of the 80 years preceding it

 

[Carolina Red]

did you expect warren’s plan to be ditto to biden’s?

That has nothing to do with you saying that an EO could ban assault weapons.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Legislation Texas brought in last year… after who knows how many mass killings they’ve had in their state.

“Starting Sept. 1, most Texans will be able to carry handguns in public without going through training or having to get permits”.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/16/texas-permitless-carry-gun-law/

 

[Carolina Red]

Can't Biden simply issue an EO to cancel the 2nd Amendment ?

Brilliant!

 

[entropy]

That has nothing to do with you saying that an EO could ban assault weapons.

I know that. I was giving an example of a platform that used eo as a means for stricter gun control measures. like, why is this confusing?

 

[Carolina Red]

I know that. I was giving an example of a platform that used eo as a means for stricter gun control measures. like, why is this confusing?

Probably because you're changing the subject instead of saying "oh, you were right, the president actually can't do what I said".

 

[MTF]

any theories on why this basically wasn't a thing before Columbine, limited to maybe 10-15 incidents of the 80 years preceding it

Columbine was/is a meme, and each incident reinforces it. That's my thought at least.

 

[entropy]

Probably because you're changing the subject instead of saying "oh, you were right, the president actually can't do what I said".

again, did you expect warren’s platform to be ditto to biden’s??

 

[calodo2003]

any theories on why this basically wasn't a thing before Columbine, limited to maybe 10-15 incidents of the 80 years preceding it

Now it’s just false flag events with crisis actors. Gotta keep the public entertained / brainwashed.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

So apparently guns are being banned at Trump's speech to the NRA this Friday...surely they should just give him a gun if the presence of guns in the crowd is a security risk??

 

[DJ Jeff]

Columbine was/is a meme, and each incident reinforces it. That's my thought at least.

why did columbine become a meme and not Charles Whitman?

 

[Stack]

12 months???

you do know there are mass shooting in the states everyday not all of them reported. Sometimes multiple shootings every day.

take a look at the last two weeks only.

You have completely missed the point of my comment but at the same time have totally affirmed the point of my comment.

 

[Smores]

Average Americans and the Dems need do to do a lot more. Every time it's the same repeated lines then quiet until the next time. It's not enough to point the finger at the enemy within.

 

[MTF]

why did columbine become a meme and not Charles Whitman?

Dunno, maybe something about TV coverage in the 90s vs presumably less in the 60s?

 

[Carolina Red]

again, did you expect warren’s platform to be ditto to biden’s??

Right….

or joseph robinette biden can sign an executive order banning assault rifles.

No he can't. That's not how EO's work.

yes he can

he can if he wants to

… you were wrong. Stop.

 

[Carolina Red]

For anyone interested, the rule for Executive Orders is that it must be “issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.”
https://www.phe.gov/s3/law/Pages/ExecOrders.aspx

That’s why the President can’t just issue an EO banning a gun or guns. There’s no current legislative or constitutional basis for it.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Some analyst/politician was on MSNBC last night discussing the second amendment was written before the modern bullet existed. Small lead balls/pellets were used in that era. The person said he doubts this particular amendment would have been written the way it was and so vague if high-projectile instruments like an AR-15 or M-4 had existed. That and we did not have the uniformed services like we see today so the militia was necessary to national/state defense.

Yep. Shooting from a flintlock musket was more of a shoot and pray weapon considering how many things could go wrong in attempting to hit a target. There is just no way that the Founding Fathers could ever imagine the kind of technological advances that firearms would get in the second half of the 19th century and onwards from the German-made needle guns to machine guns, to smokeless powder, to increasingly faster bullets and to assault rifles.

There is little to no logic in applying a text from the late 18th century without any sight of the bigger picture 2 centuries and a half later. In my book, people who still support the Second Amendment without any solid consideration of the whole context are no different from the early 20th century generals described in The Guns of August as the main people responsible for the butchery that was World War 1 because of outdated tactics from decades long gone while disregarding technological advances.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

any theories on why this basically wasn't a thing before Columbine, limited to maybe 10-15 incidents of the 80 years preceding it

I think it would be difficult to summarize or pin the blame on a specific thing. There are many layers to what is happening in the US; things like this and the epidemic of ‘deaths of despair’ point to systemic dysfunctions that will take some time in unraveling.