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[Cheimoon]

He's starting to thrash about, he's in panic mode, they should have got rid of him, he's liable to do anything to save his skin.

Has anyone figured out yet what he actually intends to achieve as PM? Or even just for in relation to Brexit?

It was mentioned in my Dutch newspaper that he doesn't seem to have a particular ambition in this role, and they quoted Cunningham (awful as he is) as saying that Johnson didn't really have any plans beyond becoming PM once he got elected. Not ideal in a time when so much is in flux and a proper leader could take the opportunity to really set a country on a new course - although I suppose you could also say that the UK is lucky that some rabid Tory isn't taking those reigns to implement their own ideas right now. That'd be worse than this randomness.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Has anyone figured out yet what he actually intends to achieve as PM? Or even just for in relation to Brexit?

It was mentioned in my Dutch newspaper that he doesn't seem to have a particular ambition in this role, and they quoted Cunningham (awful as he is) as saying that Johnson didn't really have any plans beyond becoming PM once he got elected. Not ideal in a time when so much is in flux and a proper leader could take the opportunity to really set a country on a new course - although I suppose you could also say that the UK is lucky that some rabid Tory isn't taking those reigns to implement their own ideas right now. That'd be worse than this randomness.

Johnson just wants to be PM, end of story and he'll do anything to stay there. I doubt he has any real beliefs, about Brexit or whatever. He has surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants who will follow him whatever. There is a danger that one of these fools would become PM which could be even worse. Dangerous times for the UK. If only the public would wake up.

 

[Buster15]

Well done Boris for your carbon copy of Margaret Thatcher Right to Buy.
I am sure it will go down well with your 211 faithful disciples.
Just one minor point.
Selling off so called affordable housing stock without replacing those houses is only going to end up making this type of housing more and more scarce.
Despite government claims, just over ten thousand new affordable houses were built in the last six months of 2021 - UKGOV data.

 

[Buster15]

Johnson just wants to be PM, end of story and he'll do anything to stay there. I doubt he has any real beliefs, about Brexit or whatever. He has surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants who will follow him whatever. There is a danger that one of these fools would become PM which could be even worse. Dangerous times for the UK. If only the public would wake up.

He is displaying all the classic characteristics of fuzzy thinking. Behaving like a meat fly.
Creating chaos because he has no clear understanding of the problems, lerching from problem to problem and no strategic planning.
And then spending all his time trying to manage that chaos....by creating further chaos.

He is completely out of his depth. And his inept Cabinet can do nothing more than go along for the ride with their chaotic leader.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

He is displaying all the classic characteristics of fuzzy thinking. Behaving like a meat fly.
Creating chaos because he has no clear understanding of the problems, lerching from problem to problem and no strategic planning.
And then spending all his time trying to manage that chaos....by creating further chaos.

He is completely out of his depth. And his inept Cabinet can do nothing more than go along for the ride with their chaotic leader.

He loves the chaos. He creates the chaos deliberately and convinces his followers that he's the one to solve it and fools the public by telling them how wonderful everything is and Britain is the best at everything. And round it goes until someone stops the carousel. They had a chance. Will they get another?

 

[Buster15]

He loves the chaos. He creates the chaos deliberately and convinces his followers that he's the one to solve it and fools the public by telling them how wonderful everything is and Britain is the best at everything. And round it goes until someone stops the carousel. They had a chance. Will they get another?

Yes they did have a chance and we should not underestimate the scale of the rebellion.
And the more Boris displays his fundamental weaknesses the more they will go for him again.

However, getting rid of Boris is one thing.
Replacing him with someone more competent is a much bigger problem.
While I would love to see him ousted and knowing the potential candidates, there is a case for - better the devil you know....
Far from ideal situation.

 

[Adisa]

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[horsechoker]

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The B in USB stands for BRITISH

 

[hellhunter]

The B in USB stands for BRITISH

Uropean Serial Bus

 

[Pexbo]

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Honestly it means absolutely nothing. It’s just hot air.

No tech company is going to make any devices solely for the British market that use a different interface to the European market.

 

[horsechoker]

Honestly it means absolutely nothing. It’s just hot air.

No tech company is going to make any devices solely for the British market that use a different interface to the European market.

I'm looking forward to my Brexit phone

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Has anyone figured out yet what he actually intends to achieve as PM? Or even just for in relation to Brexit?

It was mentioned in my Dutch newspaper that he doesn't seem to have a particular ambition in this role, and they quoted Cunningham (awful as he is) as saying that Johnson didn't really have any plans beyond becoming PM once he got elected. Not ideal in a time when so much is in flux and a proper leader could take the opportunity to really set a country on a new course - although I suppose you could also say that the UK is lucky that some rabid Tory isn't taking those reigns to implement their own ideas right now. That'd be worse than this randomness.

Like any Tory PM, Johnson wants the big fancy badge that says "I was Prime Minister". It's a luxury that people of his ilk can afford because, thanks to not ever having to worry about money, prestige is the currency he needs.

It also helps that he can fill his friend's pockets with bumper government contracts or legislative actions that feck over 99% of the population. And once he steps down he'll be paid back by his mates with a cushty position of a company's board where he'll rack up loads more cash.

And then the cycle continues over and over again until the constant shitting on the country from a great height hits the point where it all needs cleaned up. Unfortunately for Boris, when it was his turn to take a Jenga block after Blair, Cameron, Lansley, Hunt, Osbourne, Fox, Shapps, Gove, Sunak and May swiped theirs the whole pile was already starting to fall down before he kicked the table with his oafish shins.

 

[Adisa]

Honestly it means absolutely nothing. It’s just hot air.

No tech company is going to make any devices solely for the British market that use a different interface to the European market.

The feckers don't understand this. We are not a big enough market to set standards.

 

[JPRouve]

The feckers don't understand this. We are not a big enough market to set standards.

China isn't big enough to have their own usb ports.

 

[Pexbo]

The feckers don't understand this. We are not a big enough market to set standards.

The people that wrote the article will understand this, as will those who decided on the law. You’re right that there is plenty that will read it and see it as a win though.

If there was any critical thought or objective journalism though, they’d point out that the EU has now set a law which will directly impact us and we had no say in the matter. Previously we sat at the table these laws were made and had a veto.

 

[JPRouve]

The people that wrote the article will understand this, as will those who decided on the law. You’re right that there is plenty that will read it and see it as a win though.

If there was any critical thought or objective journalism though, they’d point out that the EU has now set a law which will directly impact us and we had no say in the matter. Previously we sat at the table these laws were made and had a veto.

Why would anyone veto that law though? It's a pretty good thing for consumers.

 

[nimic]

Is that going to matter? Will they really make different phones for the Brits?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

I'm looking forward to my Brexit phone

Me too. And my slow charging speeds with expensive and inferior charging cables.

 

[Pexbo]

Why would anyone veto that law though? It's a pretty good thing for consumers.

Of course it is. I’m just talking within the context of the article that suggest we have opted out… for… reasons? As if that’s a Brexit bonus.

Wait until Brexiteers realise we could have opted out and made the rest of the EU opt out too before we gave that up.

 

[TheGame]

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[Paul the Wolf]

I'm looking forward to my Brexit phone

 

[Cheimoon]

Like any Tory PM, Johnson wants the big fancy badge that says "I was Prime Minister". It's a luxury that people of his ilk can afford because, thanks to not ever having to worry about money, prestige is the currency he needs.

It also helps that he can fill his friend's pockets with bumper government contracts or legislative actions that feck over 99% of the population. And once he steps down he'll be paid back by his mates with a cushty position of a company's board where he'll rack up loads more cash.

And then the cycle continues over and over again until the constant shitting on the country from a great height hits the point where it all needs cleaned up. Unfortunately for Boris, when it was his turn to take a Jenga block after Blair, Cameron, Lansley, Hunt, Osbourne, Fox, Shapps, Gove, Sunak and May swiped theirs the whole pile was already starting to fall down before he kicked the table with his oafish shins.

That's a great description. I'd laugh if it wasn't so true...

 

[Adisa]

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[Frosty]

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Risk peace in Northern Ireland for no good reason? Why of course!

 

[Drifter]

The Observer view on Britain’s dire economic outlook

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...outlook?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[GuybrushThreepwood]

Sadly during the referendum campaign when Blair and Major warned people about the inevitably negative impact of a leave win on Northern Ireland, the Good Friday Agreement and peace process, the border etc during the referendum, many people didn't pay any notice to their messages and instead just attacked the messengers.

A year earlier during the 2015 general election campaign, Blair (who I'm certainly no fan of ever since the invasion of Iraq) also warned people about the chaos that would result in the Tories won and held the referendum that they were promising, and how the subject of the UK's EU membership would totally consume British politics for years to come. Once again he was right on the money there.

 

[JPRouve]

Sadly during the referendum campaign when Blair and Major warned people about the inevitably negative impact of a leave win on Northern Ireland, the Good Friday Agreement and peace process, the border etc during the referendum, many people didn't pay any notice to their messages and instead just attacked the messengers.

A year earlier during the 2015 general election campaign, Blair (who I'm certainly no fan of ever since the invasion of Iraq) also warned people about the chaos that would result in the Tories won and held the referendum that they were promising, and how the subject of the UK's EU membership would totally consume British politics for years to come. Once again he was right on the money there.

People listened but didn't care, they actually made several claims on that topic such as the UK being sovereign and therefore able to do what they want with their border and they also accused the EU of threatening the UK with the irish border issue in order to damage Brexit.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Is there anyone in the 'caf left who supports Brexit? I stopped visiting this thread a few months back because, finally, the view that it was stupid seemed unanimous.

I assume nothing has changed.

 

[Buster15]

Brexit means Brexit, as long as you don't expect the UK to comply with the NI Protocol and expect the EU to be as flexible as we want them to be.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-tests


Is Brexit working? Four key tests
The UK’s economic performance and record on trade, migration and justice since leaving the EU will determine whether Brexit is a success


This article depresses me. It's fairly neutral and it's written by a professor of economics.
The only impression it leaves, which is an ongoing feeling, is that so many people in the UK have little idea what has been voted for and the consequences thereof. I presume as it's less than eighteen months since the UK left properly the realisation will eventually dawn on them over time.

 

[Buster15]

People listened but didn't care, they actually made several claims on that topic such as the UK being sovereign and therefore able to do what they want with their border and they also accused the EU of threatening the UK with the irish border issue in order to damage Brexit.

Either that or they just didn't understand which would not surprise me at all.

 

[JPRouve]

Either that or they just didn't understand which would not surprise me at all.

I'm sure many people don't and never understood but they also didn't try to understand and from what I have seen many refused any explanation attempts.

 

[GuybrushThreepwood]

People listened but didn't care, they actually made several claims on that topic such as the UK being sovereign and therefore able to do what they want with their border and they also accused the EU of threatening the UK with the irish border issue in order to damage Brexit.

Sadly whenever Blair says anything, many people will just shout 'war criminal' (I joined in protests against the Iraq invasion as a 12 year old at the time, don't like the guy as a result but will listen when he is making valid points) without paying any attention to what he is actually saying.

But it's true that many of those who did listen just thought it was either another dose of project fear by the remain side and EU, or thought that it simply wasn't a significant issue.

The DUP campaigning to leave, and then a few months later writing a letter to May who'd just become PM setting out their majors concerns about the effects of Brexit on Northern Ireland, was also farcical. They have to shoulder plenty of blame for the mess as well.

And the Northern Ireland secretary at the time of the referendum, Theresa Villiers, doing her best to avoid all questions relating to how it would be impacted by Brexit while campaigning to leave, also stood out.

 

[Buster15]

I'm sure many people don't and never understood but they also didn't try to understand and from what I have seen many refused any explanation attempts.

Yes indeed. To those of us who have obviously made an attempt to understand the vagaries, it is not that difficult.
But so many would not make the effort and just have to accept the outcome on face value.

 

[Kentonio]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-tests


Is Brexit working? Four key tests
The UK’s economic performance and record on trade, migration and justice since leaving the EU will determine whether Brexit is a success


This article depresses me. It's fairly neutral and it's written by a professor of economics.
The only impression it leaves, which is an ongoing feeling, is that so many people in the UK have little idea what has been voted for and the consequences thereof. I presume as it's less than eighteen months since the UK left properly the realisation will eventually dawn on them over time.

Feels like the penny is finally dropping with an increasing number of people. After the bizarre silence over Brexit its once again heavily featuring in the news and with a negative slant even by formerly rabid brexiteer outlets.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Feels like the penny is finally dropping with an increasing number of people. After the bizarre silence over Brexit its once again heavily featuring in the news and with a negative slant even by formerly rabid brexiteer outlets.

Yes, people do seem to be more aware that it was a really bad idea.

However, even this professor doesn't really mention the new changes and laws being introduced over the next five years ,ends of grace periods etc. And still suggests that maybe it may turn out alright if they get more trade deals and that the increased immigration issue may not be so negative.

Which leads me to believe he doesn't understand either and he should.

When the penny really does finally drop, then what happens?

 

[GuybrushThreepwood]

I wonder if over time, there will be a gradual increase in the number of people who voted to leave in 2016 but start to pretend that they didn't.

Currently a default answer when Brexiteers struggle to name tangible benefits of leaving, other than naming things that were perfectly possible when we were EU members, is something like 'freedom is priceless'. They are then unable to explain how we have more freedom now compared to before, especially as we have lost freedom of movement.

There were plenty of myths and untruths from the Lexit side as well. I remember when it was banded about and almost taken as gospel that Corbyn's and McDonnell's economic policies were incompatible with the EU. Labour's 2017 manifesto was audited in detail, and it was clear that EU law was no barrier to any of the 26 economic pledges in it.

 

[JPRouve]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-tests


Is Brexit working? Four key tests
The UK’s economic performance and record on trade, migration and justice since leaving the EU will determine whether Brexit is a success


This article depresses me. It's fairly neutral and it's written by a professor of economics.
The only impression it leaves, which is an ongoing feeling, is that so many people in the UK have little idea what has been voted for and the consequences thereof. I presume as it's less than eighteen months since the UK left properly the realisation will eventually dawn on them over time.

I will have to look at it again but regarding exports and trade, years ago I believe that I made the point about the UKs stats being skewed by being a hub for the EU and people underestimating the fact that some of their exports weren't actually english exports similarly France being a hub many of the import and export statistic are merely down to France being a transit destination. That's the beauty of the EUCU, it made continental logistic easier by using convenient hubs but many politicians around Europe use them to make a point about their own country individual importance that isn't based on reality.

So to me the export data aren't puzzling, they make sense when you consider that the UK were part of a bigger region and often used as a port of entry or exit for the EU not just the UK, the same applies to Greece and Pireas.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Strangely enough, this year I've found that more people seem to be revealing that they did vote Brexit. Other people have been told that many members of their families voted Brexit that they were unaware of.

Myself, I've three school friends I've kept in touch with and I've known them for over fifty years - until this year we had never ever discussed politics and I made some casual remark about how stupid Brexit is and found out by chance that two of them admitted to voting Brexit. These are not stupid people and I get the impression that they were not into politics but just dragged along by the brexit hysteria and now don't really know why they voted for Brexit, there was a vague reference to refugees - I said you can't be serious.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I will have to look at it again but regarding exports and trade, years ago I believe that I made the point about the UKs stats being skewed by being a hub for the EU and people underestimating the fact that some of their exports weren't actually english exports similarly France being a hub many of the import and export statistic are merely down to France being a transit destination. That's the beauty of the EUCU, it made continental logistic easier by using convenient hubs but many politicians around Europe use them to make a point about their own country individual importance that isn't based on reality.

So to me the export data aren't puzzling, they make sense when you consider that the UK were part of a bigger region and often used as a port of entry or exit for the EU not just the UK, the same applies to Greece and Pireas.

Yes I believe I remember you saying so. The importance of the EUCU is completely lost on most Brexiters. No matter how many trade deals the UK conclude (I don't think there will be many) it will never make up to close to what the EUCU meant.