Sorry but I don't think you are estimating the Dev effort correctly there, compared to a bunch of other similarly rated games.
I wouldn't mind it if it had actual gaming content to at least complement it. The cheesiness arrives when you add it to fill up the hole that has been left open due to the lack of actual content. There's a bunch of games that have huge dialogues and cut scenes but it isn't an issue because the game doesn't end there.
As I said, we really love these users.I think you're taking it a bit too far saying there's a lack of actual content. There's a legitimate criticism to be made about lacking enemy variety and certainly a lack of memorable boss fights, but the content itself is fine. It's a lengthy title with loads of interesting areas.I wouldn't mind it if it had actual gaming content to at least complement it. The cheesiness arrives when you add it to fill up the hole that has been left open due to the lack of actual content. There's a bunch of games that have huge dialogues and cut scenes but it isn't an issue because the game doesn't end there.
But as you can see it's enough to deceive most users. I've actually seen people complain about loading screens in others games but not having loading screens in GoW.
As I said previously I had no issue in having cut scenes if it progressed the gameplay/enemies/areas similarly but it was the fact that it was what we were left with to remember after a certain point - quite initially - in the game with the rest being more of the same.
It's pretty much why I feel really strongly about this because the amount of time spent on building such a brilliant foundation took a lot away from finishing it. As I've said before, if they do the next one and hopefully another one after that in a full-fledged manner - which is saying what they set out for - then people won't have any issue with this and consider this more of a preview to a couple of sequels that actually get the best out of this world (something that we have seen in previous titles). As a standalone, it falls short for me. Even if I think as a user - the experience definitely went downhill throughout the main story. I mean, there's a fair bit of those who played this game who will say that they enjoyed the first Baldr fight - an introduction to the character - a lot more than the actual final one. That says everything.I wasn't necessarily talking about the different realms, just the areas you encounter during a normal playthrough of the game. I'd say it's plenty. Then again, for years now I've grown increasingly tired of games that are too large or too long, so maybe I'm looking at it differently. It felt large enough for me for that type of game without overstaying its welcome, which is something I appreciate. I don't hold the game in as high regard as many others, more like a solid 8/10 rather than the 9 or 10 it seems to get, but it's still just, I don't know, fine, I guess?As I said previously I had no issue in having cut scenes if it progressed the gameplay/enemies/areas similarly but it was the fact that it was what we were left with to remember after a certain point - quite initially - in the game with the rest being more of the same.
It's pretty lengthy for a plat, but for the main story (which excludes Nilf/Muspel) I'm not that sure. Also not sure about it having loads of interesting areas. Nilf and Muspel were basically challenge modes (one is enemy volume, other is time limit), they didn't add anything either to the main story or any particular mechanic. Muspel in particular was like it was designed in around 5 minutes.
If I really think about it from an architect's viewpoint, it feels like they overspent time on the earlier areas and their depth and as the game went on, the depth kept going down and down and that ended with Jotenheim which was basically an empty area.
I'd say I'd always appreciate a game that has larger content given it keeps you engaged with new mechanics. A long repetitive game (I'm think Assassin's Creed) is obviously not great so I can understand if you are counting the length of the game proportional to what we got to do. I finished the main story at Level 4 which is around half of what you end up after a plat, so that didn't really take much. The number of areas you traversed were there, but for me there were a lot of "oh look a new area, let's see what's there" followed by "this guy again?!". Combat, traversal, etc was pretty flat.
I'd be in solid 8/10 territory too. I'd be more critical of it than the average 8/10 because of the regard its held. And the expectation that regard created I suppose. I think God of War 2 and 3 are much better games and in that 9 or 10 territory so probably a bit of disappointment from that too, though i recognised they'd need to overhaul that formula a lot. Hopefully it'll be a stepping stone to something better like the first God of War. I have low expectations on the storytelling and cinematic parts of the game going forward though to try and circle back around to that.
That’s genuinely a mental opinion to me. From games are literally all about gameplay. Stories are so incredibly weird and abstract. What great story (in any medium) only involve combat? You moan about this set pieces and cinematic moments but you have to have something to actually tell the story other than just killing one dude, then another on repeat.
I like them for the world. You learn about the world by exploring it, by seeing the decay, by meeting the inhabitants - who dont regurgitate their life story and motivations in a long cutscene on meeting them, they just exist doing whatever it is they do. Show dont tell.
The truly great games hit both for me. Experiences in the world, and top-class storytelling/cutscenes too. Red Dead, Red Dead 2, Infamous, Ezio story on Assassins Creed, GOW, The Witcher, all left a lasting impression on me with the stories they told and the characters they created. I like games that tell me a story and let my imagination fill in the blanks, for me I cant do that in a from game where the only avenue of story is combat.
Didn't rate some of them and didn't play others. I think God of War has a relatively strong cinematic storyline but thats primarily because I think the standard is dogshit. In any other medium it'd be a saturday morning kids tv show or some equivalent. It felt like watching Thundercats or something. The Last of Us probably peaks slightly above something like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I can get into stuff like that but they're so, so rare. When i say Guardians of the Galaxy is pretty good it'd be a tv show i turned off after 20 mins, its tolerable.
I do see your point and you’re right in many ways that the medium of video games doesn’t allow for stories that are too long or complex because the moment to moment action/gameplay is much slower than on a TV show etc. What video games can do better than TV and Movies for me though is building characters into those stories. As the player you have a truly unique attachment to those characters especially when you play with them. The games I mentioned all have pretty legendary protagonists who I will remember far more than say the main guy from the walking dead (can’t even recall his name).
Come on Moby this isn’t the football forum, you can do better than that.
Don't think so bro, there's way too much to be explained here and I don't think I have the patience.
actually starting to get really into this and think as a co op game with a good mate it's a really good game to play.Finally defeated Phrike in Returnal, had to get a random stranger from USA to hold my hand
It's not usually my cup of tea but im proper getting into it now! I like the lack of hand holding
you just convinced me to start GoW again. I first started it in Jan 2020 and got to the first boss. I stopped and haven't played again because I had just completed RDR2 and decided I could not bring myself to immerse myself into another long game. The time is right now
Brilliant. Hope you get into it and enjoy it, I thought it was truly brilliant. Keep us updated on progress in here.
That's brilliant. This is one game I haven't deleted since I played just because there's endless ways to enjoy it. Don't mind giving it another go.
I’m not saying there isn’t a place for From games they have a huge following for a reason and I’d love to get into them. I do think the story is really minimal though. Maybe world story telling but I honestly couldn’t say what any of the games are really about. Maybe I’m too stupid or childish as others have put it to understand
I’m not saying there isn’t a place for From games they have a huge following for a reason and I’d love to get into them. I do think the story is really minimal though. Maybe world story telling but I honestly couldn’t say what any of the games are really about. Maybe I’m too stupid or childish as others have put it to understand
From are bad at story telling in their own way. They're too obscure. Too much of it is placed on item descriptions. They have their own problems.I’m not saying there isn’t a place for From games they have a huge following for a reason and I’d love to get into them. I do think the story is really minimal though. Maybe world story telling but I honestly couldn’t say what any of the games are really about. Maybe I’m too stupid or childish as others have put it to understand
Yeah but you have your own stories about the hours and hours you spent fighting Ornstein and Smough, complete with Rocky training montages when you leveled up or upgraded some weapons. About seeing Queelag the first time, about how much you hate blightown and how anor londo archers can go feck themselves.
feck Blighttown.
Witcher 3 had a great story but i found the game very mediocre. I mean theres a few storylines in gaming that are outstanding like Disco Elysium which stands up well vs any other medium but the game portion of it is a bit limited and there isn't much of note outside the story line. Theres a bunch of visual novel kind of games too and they're interesting but they kind of feel like a very different thing to the God of Wars of the industry.
I agree. While there may be a story there, the way the Soulborne games tell it, for me, is not very interesting and engrossing. I absolutely love these games but it's mainly for the challenge, gameplay, mood, bosses etc Sekiro is one of the best games of this past generation and IMO the absolute pinnacle of mele combat in gaming. The story... is.. alright.. whatever. Cool custcenes, good lore but it's the gameplay that was phenomenal. I know many people do dig the story or something but it's not for me.
That's not narrative or story for me. That's gaming experiences. Like the chilling yet beautiful feeling in Subnautica where you enter a new biome. I agree that it can be more powerful than a narrative. But the story or narrative, it's not. For Sunbautica that is the events that are, did or will occur in the plot.
That it is
Its definitely not narrative no, I'll go back to saying they have their own shortcomings. I think part of the mood they create and the experience is kind of informed by the mystery, obscurity and weirdness though. I think it'd be a terrible mistake on their part to fill in the blanks with long cutscenes around bosses.
Outer Wilds is probably a much better example of what im trying to say than From. Its cinematic storytelling I'm trying to criticise.
