We have a few cups too, including a European one that you didn't get even during the "invincible" years. United at it's lowest for many decades has more European success then Arsenal in 30 years
We were also relevant in the league coming 3ed and 2ed while you battled for 8th and 9th. It's good though, you finished one place above us in our worst season ever in the PL. I give you credit for that. Keep Lego Pep for a life long contract please.Actually, this question is open to everyone. This thread is currently at 239 pages. It looks like the in last 50 or so pages the consensus among the majority of Arsenal fans is that:
And that's why I said you may not be familiar with the concept as a Real Madrid fan. We are trying to raise the technical level of our squad over the course of several seasons. We can't simply jettison all of our current players. Camavinga is a bench player for you. Arsenal was not in a position to sign him - not due to budget but because we do not have the pull Real have. I wasn't being facetious when I said that's not something a Real fan ever worries about.
I can present a counter question to you,
I'm not sure I am being defensive. In the very post you're replying to I state that Arteta is lucky to still be in a job after his first full season. I am fully up for a discussion about his performance... but I'm an Arsenal fan so that's no huge surprise.
I can't speak for others, but in a forum people can have their opinion on Arteta and I have no problem with that. Arteta is a rookie manager and he needs to prove himself to Josh every year that he is the right person for the job. As a fan I accept the fact that with the resource Arsenal has and the teams it is competing with, Arsenal can only fighting for a 4th spot at the moment. Yes, Arsenal is not a huge threat to Liverpool and Man City. Wage bill of each club is a pretty good indicator of a club's standing. I will only have a problem with Arteta is if our wage bill is 1st or 2nd, but finish outside of top 4, then i will want him out.
Rodgers is ex-liverpool and is generally fun to laugh at, in a Brenty kind of way. I wouldn't expect arsenal fans to feel anywhere near the same. Can't speak for other united fans, but when I do have time to pay attention to arsenal or their managers, its probably because we used to be fierce rivals once, and im just curious where they are at these days. As for Arteta himself, pretty sure I said the same thing in that there's nothing personal agaisnt him, but the boom bust cycle in here is very noticable every year. Just wait until you guys start the season strongly, this place will be rocking again.
To be fair I don't think I ever expect Arsenal to fight for the title in nearby future , so I am not holding arteta against that. I think everyone should agree finishing in top 4 was there for taking for you guys but you failed. I know no one predicted Arsenal to finish top 4 but football isn't played on paper. No one predicted United to finish 6th either and no one expected Spurs to sack Nuno and then from that position to finish 4th.
All I can say is Conte is an excellent head coach. He is doing an excellent job in Spurs with a squad he inherited and got result almost instantly. Spurs is lucky to have him.
Nothing in regards to Arteta rubs us in wrong way ffs. He is not Klopp or Pep to rub United fans wrong way.
Now this is another story, with Spurs's wage bill and transfer budget less than or similar to Arsenal these days.
I’ll answer: I think most people got annoyed with him being the media lovechild as soon as he was hired, and United fans specifically rolled their eyes because we had to hear a lot of “Arteta is doing a wonderful job at Arsenal” while we largely were derided for our constant underperformance (in which we still placed better than Arsenal each year until last). Add to that the obvious obnoxious Arsenal Twitter fan base (every club has one though, it’s not exclusive to Arsenal) spouting how transformative Arteta was just a few weeks into his tenure and it gave a reason for rival fans to look for him to fail.
I think this is fascinating because RedCafe is the only rival forum I visit. I grew up in the 90s, so the Arsenal vs United was the rivalry for me.
I don't think this is controversial at all, I very much agree. Lacazette had a purple patch of assisting for a few games, but then was very poor. Had Arteta either kept Auba or replaced Laczette with Nketiah earlier, we would likely have made the CL.
For the record, I'm broadly speaking Wenger IN / Emery OUT / Arteta IN. An oversimplification - but a useful one. The goalpost have definitely moved for those who hounded Wenger out. I think it's deplorable. But a lot of those fans are no longer at the stadium. Many of them are probably gone altogether. There is quite a different vibe among fans now.
I subscribe to The Athletic and watch quite a few Guillem Balagué videos... and even I find some of the analysis of Arteta to be overly fawning - so that's definitely fair. I think Arteta has had an easier ride than Ole because:
I think he’s has an easier ride due to Pep too. Let’s be honest.
Have you watched many Arsenal games under Arteta? Fantastic stuff if you’re having trouble sleeping. The great entertainers have now become the great substitute for valium.
It's the results that matter. He has won silverware, and last season they were unlucky to miss out on top 4 mainly due to injuries to key players imo. They are a young team under a young manager and still learning how to manage a game. But they now at least try to change their play rather than be stuck in the same style when it's not working.
Ive seen you post this a few times and I think your being harsh. There's been a good few games I can remember being happy with how we get played, scored good goals, played good football.
I remember very few games where I was impressed maybe about 10 or so last season. You would imagine that a fan base who grew up watching us playing under Wenger wouldn’t be very tolerant of Mourinho type football but there we go. I bet we aren’t even top 5 in terms of goals scored or chances created how is that good football?
I didn't say it was over the majority of the season, and I've already said it needs to be more sustained going forward, but I just think your being a bit harsh, that's all.
Harsh? Arteta has got away with murder. Name me another manager of a top club that has been given the time and money that he has when they performed at his level. Even Spurs would have had him out the door halfway through 20/21 when he was near the bottom of the table.
That is some skills and quality Arteta has for him to get away with murder, or Josh and Stan are idiots who have no clues how to run a sport franchise.
I'm sure many Arsenal fans are happy you don't own or run the club. Your analysis is very weird. The last two summers (2021 and 2022) are the only windows when Arteta has been substantially backed financially on the market. It's fair to say if he fails to deliver big by May 2023 the club will probably show him the door. But halfway thru 2021? Jeez. Spurs would have been thrilled to win the Community Shield, that's how desperate they are.
He's been here for 2 and a half seasons, of which he had a poor 4 months of managing. The rest of the time was relatively successful. So not really sure what you're chatting about.
Surely it's top 4 or bust right?
It's not that simple, and the KPI of each manager varies with each club. For instance, if Arsenal win the FA Cup and Europa League and finish 5th or even 6th, there is no chance the board will sack him.
Probably because the league has changed so much and arsenal are not in the position they used to be. Asking them to complete how they used to is a big ask.
We were in 11th place halfway through 20/21. Jeez what possible reason could there be to sack the manager right? Totally harsh and unreasonable. Oh wait didn’t Emery get sacked for doing the same?
He isnt starting ahead of Tierney and nor would he start ahead of Gabriel at the left sided centre half. I woudl asl ohave reservaitons about a 5 foot 7 centre hald. If Martinez was to start, his best option would have been LCM ahead of Xhaka.
Seeing an Arsenal team without Swiss Charlie Adam in it sparks great joy. I think William Saliba will quickly find his way into that team as well man is a top young talent with a very high ceiling. Weak points would be Tomiyasu and Tierney being unable to stay fit for any great length of time. Have to give credit to Arteta + Edu for building a pretty decent team here.
It will be interesting to see where Zinchenko plays, judging by Arteta talking about him yesterday he sees him as a left back, which would mean we need another midfielder and wide player id say.
Why? Why would anyone do that to themselves?
There isn't one top class player in that team, they're all just "good". Jesus and Partey (
) probably the closest to being top class. Perhaps Saliba could be a top player if what your fans say is true but you need more than one top player to seriously compete with the likes of City. They usually have 8 in the side.Where note competing with City. Were competing with United, Chelsea, Tottenham. How many top class players in your team?There isn't one top class player in that team, they're all just "good". Jesus and Partey (
Lucky for us we ain’t competing with City. Their squad also costs 300+m more than ours. Give us CL football and 300m and we might be able to close that gap a bit more. Until then we are competing for 3rd-4th place.There isn't one top class player in that team, they're all just "good". Jesus and Partey (
Spurs have the likes of Son, Kane, the Argie CB, I rather suspect Bissouma will have a great season and they might yet be getting the likes of Koundé or Torres.
Looks like I missed the latest on this 1.
Arsenal have spent over £300m on transfers since Arteta arrived. As yet he still hasn't managed to outperform Emery who finished 5th on 70 points and Arteta has been in the job for almost 3 years.
