Football is different. Players go far longer into their 30s now.
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No, old Juan is a mythical legend that the muppets in the FDJ thread used to call on when logic was being ignored. If his predictions were true then FDJ would have signed 6 weeks ago
If that’s true, then there’s zero chance he joins us. It’s horrible to say, but nobody who is the best player in the world is joining Manchester United now.
In football years that what he is now? We did this with Matic
I’ll use the Makelele to Chelsea example again, sometimes an offer is too good to refuse so you never know in this game.
Would we be moaning if debruyne or salah came available only if we gave them 5 year contract?
Problary, no one is good enough...
The Juan man we can always rely on.
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Is Megan fox included in the deal ?
The exact same logic, with almost the exact same words, was used to justify countless previous failed signings that got us into this state.
In all seriousness, I don't understand the thought process that lead you to type those words unironically. Is it that you've forgotten the circumstances that caused us to make all those buys and don't see that it's the exact same situation with a different player subbed in? Do you for some random reason think Casemiro will be an exception in a way those other players whose purchases were backed with the exact same process, confidence and logic weren't? Or do you not accept that each one of those failed purchases set us back further than simply signing nobody in that moment would have?
It genuinely baffles me that people can be on a forum where we discuss the issues that got the club into this mess day after day and yet immediately jump into the same pattern of mistakes again with zero self-awareness, apparently having taken in nothing.
"Better than what we have" isn't good enough if you're spending that sort of money. Never has been, never will be. If the player doesn't justify the transfer in their own right while fitting into a clear well-thought pre-existing plan, they shouldn't be bought. Because a bad transfer takes multiple times as long to fix as no transfer.
And if we're so desperate for an immediate fix, buy someone cheaper who fits the minimum requirement of being "better than what we have" until you can identify the right big money signing. Because a hell of a lot of players other than Casemiro are better than Scott McTominay. And at least a cheaper undercooked purchase won't be a millstone around the neck of the club for years to come if it goes wrong.
It isn't even about Casemiro. Any time we end the summer in an air of desperation looking to spend massive money on a player who doesn't seem to fit the plan we had up to that point and doesn't appear to have been one of our first choices but is "better than what we have" or "too good to turn down", alarm bells should be ringing. If Casemiro was someone we wanted from the start of the summer or even the type of player we wanted from the start of the summer, fine. But we've seen zero sign that this signing was part of our main plan when the transfer window opened. The whiff of Woodwardism off this deal.
Spot on.
I don't mind desperation with this guy who is surely one of the best around in his position
Blimmin heck that was very soon!
Of course it is , it’s the only reason he’d contemplate coming to this shitshow
I mean we literally had Giggs and Scholes play till 40, Rio till he was lateish 30s etc. All on one year contracts.
The only thing that’s different is that we’re run by mugs.
Fantastic post. And I say that as someone who is normally a huge Casemiro fan.
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Thiago Silva still starts for Chelsea at 37. I mean c'mon if you have a chance to sign a 31 year old world class cdm at United you jump at that. He provides a spine to a spineless bunch of sorry ass footballers.
He would never get away with stuff like this for us.
Fernandinho, Ramos, Pepe and Casemiro have been the most underpunished players I've probably seen in my lifetime watching football.
Casemiro is world class in my opinion. The only risk of this signing is he’s 30 and this could become like Matic where players on long contract on the declined and we are struggling to move him on. But prime Casemiro is far level above prime Matic Imo and Casemiro is much more mobile than Matic was. So unlike when we signed Matic, Casemiro might still have more years in him like 3-4 years of world class level.
All clubs need veterans and you don't have home-grown veterans any more after a decade of disaster. Proven winners, with their winning experiences and mentality, should be bought from market. To attract younger, hungry talents, you need this type of veterans in the team. Overpayment is unavoidable, but it's worth a risk.
There’s no way someone like Casemiro, who’s reached the pinnacle of the game, would come to a place like this and feel motivated. He’d come here for a payday. No matter how good he could be, we absolutely don’t need another player in that situation.
Best DM in the world. He was a vital player in Madrid's CL run last season. They missed him badly in the first leg against City.
Well yes.
Still, 30 is not old in the modern game. And DM is a key position. Casimeiro is just about the best there is so it’s verging on moronic to complain about the money it’s going to cost given our recent performances.
Don't sign Casemiro, because Di Maria and McGuire didn't work out, or whatever.
with elanga and rashford up topJose would definitely do it just for the memes
--- AWB --- Maguire -- Varane -- Martinez --- Shaw
----------------------------- Casemiro -------------------------------
--------------- McT -------------------- Fred -------------------------
Our midfield is McTominay and Fred. If Madrid are demanding silly money for him and he's asking for a ridiculous wage then fair enough but around 50M that's being quoted would be a fair price. We paid that for Fred and nearly that much for Matic. If he's wanting to be the 2nd best paid player at the club then I say give him it. He upgrades our midfield massively. It goes without saying really.
This is exactly my thinking as well, and while I agree with nearly everything @sullydnl said, this is Casemiro we're talking about. Any other player and I'd completely agree.
If “any other player” was named Kimmich, it would also work I think
The timeline of these tweets is some wonky time travel stuff. But I like it.
Who can we get of same quality in that role
Operation sign a midfielder, any midfielder before Pool.
Tbf, didn't Matthaus play till he was like 40? I think there have always been players who played into their late 30s, feels like it was more common in the 70s and 80s than it is now.
There is no way this happens. Why would Casemiro want to play at United? Click bait.
Yeah who can we get that provides quality on the ball in the middle, no point mentioning De Jong because can't afford both in a million years.
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