To anyone who is paying attention, this would come as no surprise. But he's definitely talking about the previous regime, so all a bit pointless at this point.
Eric Bailly - English players were favoured
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Everything he said was spot on tbh, he even owned up to his inconsistency.
The English favoritism stuff was absolutely clear to anyone with eyes following this side over the past 3-4 years. Fans have been saying it so not a surprise the players involved would feel some way regarding it.
I'm glad ETH has torn that up and made it clear that any and everyone can be replaced/benched if they're not up to standard
The English favoritism stuff was absolutely clear to anyone with eyes following this side over the past 3-4 years. Fans have been saying it so not a surprise the players involved would feel some way regarding it.
I'm glad ETH has torn that up and made it clear that any and everyone can be replaced/benched if they're not up to standard
He might be right but theres also the element of Maguire being more reliable to Ole at 30% fitness than Bailly at 80% (lets face it hes never 100%).
And thats because Bailly if actually fit was woefully inconsistent and prone to moments of sheer stupidity. Maguire at least before he went to shit was actually pretty solid and reliable.
And thats because Bailly if actually fit was woefully inconsistent and prone to moments of sheer stupidity. Maguire at least before he went to shit was actually pretty solid and reliable.
He is right. Otherwise I don’t find a reason for dross such as Maguire playing the time he did. That being said, Bailly is not good enough for United.
A point about Maguire.
I always thought he was average at best.
But at that Leicester match I lost any respect I had for him.
As a captain he offered to play when he could no way have been match fit even if Ole was a fool to have picked him.
He never thought about the team. Only himself.
And we went on to lose that match.
Well now he is probably in Europa League team. If he cannot prove himself, he should be sold in the next window.
I always thought he was average at best.
But at that Leicester match I lost any respect I had for him.
As a captain he offered to play when he could no way have been match fit even if Ole was a fool to have picked him.
He never thought about the team. Only himself.
And we went on to lose that match.
Well now he is probably in Europa League team. If he cannot prove himself, he should be sold in the next window.
Ole was obviously clueless and Bailly has a point that we definitely had players who no matter how crap they performed, they had a guaranteed spot in the starting XI and it just happens that most of those players were English. However he was just as bad as the others and if he is suggesting he wasn't given a chance then he is living in a bubble.
He was joking
Internal dynamics and spirit have no relation to nationality. Those things are improved because we brought in players of good character regardless of where they are from and they are creating a winning habit
He could just as easily be talking about Lindelof as he is Maguire. Catastrophe was a tag team last year
Your point would stand, were it not that Maguire's bottom level last season was literally that of an amateur player. You could convince a non footy fan the footage produced by some of those performances was intended as slapstick.
As I recall, Matic and Lukaku's crappy performances were nowhere near that. Maybe there's recency bias on my end.
So UTD favours English players over foreigners and Phil Jones still can’t get a game...
#Justice4Phil
#Justice4Phil
Didn’t Ole talk about wanting an English core at the club? It’s quite clear he (foolishly) built towards that with his teams.
He’s right, an out of form Maguire and Shaw kept getting game after game. Whilst others wasn’t given a chance. Didn’t help him self though by keep being injured and unreliable… could string a few games together.
There will be case studies about how awful Ole's management was particularly last season.
The rot was insidious and he was at the centre of it.
The rot was insidious and he was at the centre of it.
By the club, he means, Ole, right? Only Ole kept playing English players that consistently underperformed. Rangnick came in and dropped some players. Maguire, Shaw, AWB, and Rashford all got dropped. I'm sure the final straw for Bailly was when Maguire was rushed back to play against Leicester. He played a 0/10 game and was shocking for quite a while after that. Bailly should have been given playing time during that period. When Bailly did play, he was mostly good last season. His injury record was also pretty good last season. Can't blame that on him not getting chances.
Even so, Ole still preferred Lindelof and Varane over Bailly. It's not only a Maguire that was being picked over him. Rangnick was the same. He didn't seem to rate Bailly at all.
Even so, Ole still preferred Lindelof and Varane over Bailly. It's not only a Maguire that was being picked over him. Rangnick was the same. He didn't seem to rate Bailly at all.
Bailly's main problem is that he was never good enough. Also re: Maguire it could just as easily be that the team paid so much for him that they were stupid enough to prioritize that in the decision making. So I get why he's upset but this is like the Dean Henderson thing where I think it's shitty to air your grievances to the press. Grow up. In life you're going to have people who don't believe in you for all manner of reasons. Resilience and fight is required if you want to succeed in such a competitive field.
He did not comment on his own treatment specifically, just about the treatment of non-English vs English players. As a centre back, he might have wondered why Jones is still at the club.
Agree, RD. Starting Maguire in that match when he wasn't fully fit was a horrible decision. It backfired about as badly as one could anticipate and the team never recovered from it. I was shocked that he was picked but not surprised that he featured so prominently in that disaster class of an outing.
Absolutely.
But Ole probably did have an idea about creating a core at United consisting of British (and preferably local) players. Why? Because it's pretty obvious who Ole's managerial role model is. And that kind of core was - undoubtedly - a central feature of the highly successful teams he (Ole) witnessed first-hand as a player and (later) coach.
It's not a silly idea in itself.
You build a foundation of players you can rely on - and who are happy to remain at the club/will not be tempted to move. British players - and even better, local lads - are obvious choices in this model.
In theory, if you buy Maguire at a record fee and make him your captain, you have a rock at the heart of the team you can rely on for years. Sort of what Fergie did with Rio.
The obvious problem is that Maguire simply is nowhere near as good as Rio, and - as such - you should abandon the model until a player of the right, undoubted quality is available. But the model itself isn't insane or unsound (it has been proven to work in the past - and not just for Fergie).
Matic wasn't, but Lukaku was similarly bad. In fact I'd say he was even worse. Maguire was at least trying and was just in terrible form, whereas Lukaku was an absolute disgrace. The difference in position though means Maguire's mistakes are punished more and are more memorable.
100% this
There’s nothing wrong with the idea itself, they are after all playing in the EPL. Also there was rumours of needing a certain % of British players due to brexit. No issues with the idea. But it was very badly executed. The players selected just weren’t of the right character or the right level.
He is spot on.
Post Ferguson the club tried to keep tradition and do it "The United Way" by having a British core running the club rather than just the absolute best in class - the same can be said for on the pitch too.
One of many reasons we have fallen so far behind.
Post Ferguson the club tried to keep tradition and do it "The United Way" by having a British core running the club rather than just the absolute best in class - the same can be said for on the pitch too.
One of many reasons we have fallen so far behind.
What are you smoking really, Shaw gave us some great games when the team finished 2nd and 3rd. Telles was really a defensive liability and it was a massive issue. He was not reliable. He's still not reliable.
This is the sort of thing you can literally spin in either direction depending on whether you like or dislike the player in question. Doesn't really say much in either case.
As a captain he offered to play when not fit... surely if he's thinking about himself and not the team, he'd rather sit out and let the other players take the blame for defeat? I don't like Maguire but I could just as easily say him stepping up in an injury crisis to play through the pain barrier (not for the first time, by all accounts) was a sign of leadership and putting the team first, and part of the reason he was made captain.
Did me calling Telles world class genuinely need white text?
Are you from South Wakes? I ask because I knew a guy named Simon Jones who was also dense.
True.
If you look at the English/British players Ole either did buy (or sanctioned) and the ones he allegedly targeted (for instance Longstaff) AND the prices involved for those players...it just doesn't look good at all.
The quality is nowhere near the required level. I mean - Longstaff would have (presumably) been intended as his Keane (or at least Carrick). And...yeah.
Longstaff's asking price was over 60 mill, if I remember correctly. Imagine if that had actually happened.
Yeah it's clear that in Ole's mind he was aiming for an English core, just like the great sides he played in had. The difference was the quality and application levels were night and day a part.
In Maguire he wanted a centreback that played every minute of every game, someone who would play whilst injured, setting the example to all around him that he was an ever present leader/warrior type. Again, sadly for Ole, it wasn't a Stam/Vidic that his success in the job depended on... it was Harry Maguire and co.
Ole's ideas were very poor in as much as he simply didn't have the right players, yet stubbornly stuck to the principles anyway. Probably a similar reason that most agree for why Keane has struggled with management. The pair of them haven't been able to adapt to the reality that what worked when they were players, doesn't work now, or at least particularly with lower ability / less driven players than they were used to being around.
Your core assumption is ole 'signed maguire' and couldn't admit his 'mistake in sign maguire'. It's a laughable idea as ole didn't sign maguire
Only Lingard is left who can shed some more light on how he was screwed by Ole and we will have more insights on how bad things were under his reign.
“I should’ve played every week” says man who was never fit to play.
I'm sure Dean Henderson said the same about Spanish players. Manager in preferring player they spunked £80m on shocker. Would have been more annoyed about being second fiddle to Lindelof.
Fergie got rid of players ruthlessly. You're wrong.
Is that a joke?if he doesnt like it he shuld just leave are country
Shudder. Thankfully someone had the sense to think that it was crackers
Who did?
Perhaps the same guy who made all our signings during the Woodward era.
Mourinho supposedly wanted maguire the year before, for cheaper and the club refused. Why would they insist on paying through the nose for him a year later if they didn't have to spend 80m?
Yep Rangnick never gave him a chance.
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