Phil Foden - What Is His Potential?

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Fodens current wage is 60k a week and the new contract is 200k, I dunno where people are pulling the other figures from
 

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If he wanted a pay rise he would’ve got one, but he hasn’t signed a new contract since December 2018. I don’t understand what your point is.

Also, from what you said in your first post it sounds like you’re suggesting that Foden would’ve been happy joining United if they were offering him that money and City weren’t. I can assure you that that would never happen.
You are sure he wouldn't join United for 150k a week and would choose City's 30k week before that?

I want to live in that world where you live.
 

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You are sure he wouldn't join United for 150k a week and would choose City's 30k week before that?

I want to live in that world where you live.
If I said the same thing about Scholes on here they would come for my head.

And rightly so. Because it never would've happened.
 

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If I said the same thing about Scholes on here they would come for my head.

And rightly so. Because it never would've happened.
I think you might be overestimating how much a club means to an athlete. Ultimately, these are humans trying to maximize their income (within reason) while accomplishing their dreams on the football pitch. There's a balance there as even the highest paid footballer would be miserable if he were in an environment that does not suit him. Having said that, Scholes would have absolutely considered joining City if they offered 5(!) times his wages; he'd be braindead not to. Foden would do the same if United offered him quintuple his wages.

It isn't as if either would be asked to deracinate their families and move to another continent; they would be moving down the road to another team in the same City.
 

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He’s got that MG/Rashford greed. Plays with blinders on
 

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People just can’t stop themselves overreacting to individual games can they :lol:
 

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People just can’t stop themselves overreacting to individual games can they :lol:
He is seriously greedy. It is becoming a problem. Phenomenal player even if he was poor today. But the greed is getting more noticeable. If he passed that ball today (which any of Sterling Sane, Bernardo, Grealish and even Mahrez would have, we go 2-0 up and win the game at a canter.

Two games in a row he shot from a stupid angle instead of making an easy pass with a teammate (Haaland) waiting for a tap in.
 

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He is seriously greedy. It is becoming a problem. Phenomenal player even if he was poor today. But the greed is getting more noticeable. If he passed that ball today (which any of Sterling Sane, Bernardo, Grealish and even Mahrez would have, we go 2-0 up and win the game at a canter.

Two games in a row he shot from a stupid angle with a teammate (Haaland) waiting for a tap in.
That last part is the worst... i can imagine that you go for your own chance if you have Timo Werner in your team but when you have Haaland? Maybe he thinks he needs to add to his stats otherwise he will lose his spot to Grealish? Or with all the compliments he has been receiving he thinks he needs to be the star and also add goals to his game?
 

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That last part is the worst... i can imagine that you go for your own chance if you have Timo Werner in your team but when you have Haaland? Maybe he thinks he needs to add to his stats otherwise he will lose his spot to Grealish? Or with all the compliments he has been receiving he thinks he needs to be the star and also add goals to his game?
He doesn’t want the new kid getting all the praise, he wants to be the star.
 

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Didnt Pep sub him off at half time last game because he took the shot himself instead of playin a teammate through. Foden isnt Messi, he needs to play for the team.
 

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He was dreadful today. Kept shooting spectacularly despite Pope playing great, lost the ball loads, and his crosses were appalling. Other City players declined long shots once they figured out they were unlikely to beat Pope on today's form. Foden continued looking to blast from range throughout. Amazed he played the full 90 minutes.
 

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That last part is the worst... i can imagine that you go for your own chance if you have Timo Werner in your team but when you have Haaland? Maybe he thinks he needs to add to his stats otherwise he will lose his spot to Grealish? Or with all the compliments he has been receiving he thinks he needs to be the star and also add goals to his game?
I dunno, it feels like he's not as selfless as before, he knows Pep doesn't care about stats in general (I mean he's happy enough with Grealish who's output is atrocious), its just slowly crept into his game. A bit like Mahrez can be at times but Foden wasn't like that till last season. Maybe he is worried about his stats but he got subbed at half time last week for doing it and then immediately does it again, it would have served him right if Pep hooked him there and then after 15 minutes of the game.

Don't think he'll get benched because we have no other left footer on the left side with Cancelo and Gundogan. If Bernardo gets back in midfield it might change.
 

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Thinks he's untouchable now there's less competition with Sterling gone. Guardiola will take him down a peg before long.
 

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He is seriously greedy. It is becoming a problem. Phenomenal player even if he was poor today. But the greed is getting more noticeable. If he passed that ball today (which any of Sterling Sane, Bernardo, Grealish and even Mahrez would have, we go 2-0 up and win the game at a canter.

Two games in a row he shot from a stupid angle instead of making an easy pass with a teammate (Haaland) waiting for a tap in.
It was the savagely overrated post by @IrishRedDevil that prompted my response but also some of the responses in the Gallagher thread too.
 

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It was the savagely overrated post by @IrishRedDevil that prompted my response but also some of the responses in the Gallagher thread too.
Yeah you do see some crazy one game reactions here for sure. Players go from world class to washed up in 90 minutes or vice versa.
 

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He's way too greedy.
 

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So fecking overrated. Should not be starting for England! Does feck all when he plays for them and if he weren't at City, I doubt he'd be even noticed.
 

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The propencity to squirt over players who are technical and tidy or look 'classy' on the ball is a strange phenomenon. People are easily manipulated.
 

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Is it fair to call him a 'system player', who can't excel outside of City's rigid possession game?
 

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The way England play just doesn't suit him. I feel he's better as a wider player, and further forward.
 

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I just don’t think he’s all that.

City make him look a lot better than he is due to their system and the players around him.
 

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I just don’t think he’s all that.

City make him look a lot better than he is due to their system and the players around him.
He’s a decent player. You could argue that in the opposite way… England’s system make him look a lot poorer.
 

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Difficult for anyone to shine under that clown of an England manager.
Agreed.

I would argue that he was one of the better English players tonight (not that it's saying much) and plenty more players with more experience/ a higher profile played worse than him.

If one player looks crap it's the players problem, if the whole team looks crap it's the managers problem.

Also I would say I've been most impressed with Foden when played from the left/ more centrally as he doesn't seem to be as involved/ as direct when he plays off the Right.
 

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The reality is somewhere in the middle. Southgate is useless and couldn’t coach a pornstar in a brothel. Foden is overrated though because he’s flashy and pretty to watch. He’s not actually that effective though despite his talent.
 

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Watched only a bit of the England game. He seemed to demand the ball a lot, looked comfortable on it, passed and moved well, but didn’t really do anything.
 

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I think he's been moulded into the perfect cog for a Guardiola team. But I don't think that's necessarily a great player outside of a Guardiola team.

The likes of Bernardo, KDB and David Silva developed into creative forces at other clubs and learned how to individually influence a game. I don't think Foden has ever had the opportunity to do that, because he's always been the support piece than a more decisive player.
I said this during the Italy game. I think he's extremely talented, but he's never had to be the creative force in a team so has never had the chance to learn how to do that.

That is a concern, because in almost every other team he'll play in he'll have to make decisive/driving plays. And that'll be the case when Guardiola leaves too.
 

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I think he's finding it a lot harder work with England. We don't have the same control of the game. There are less opportunities on the ball. No real relationship with the other forwards. It must be very different playing for City in a totally cohesive team. Simply has to play better though. Saka looks better.