Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

GoonerInPeace

New Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2022
Messages
402
Supports
Arsenal
This is why we play a highline. Because its how we get results. Tell me how its better to have 35% of the ball and be waiting to attack, rather than owning the ball and dictating the game at your own terms?

People will point to the United game, but Partey didn't play that game, and fact is not every game will break in your favour. We did enough to get a result at Old Trafford, but the final execution just wasnt there. Plus you also need to acknowledge other teams have their own qualities and sometimes you will concede goals for this reason. But we dusted ourselves off following the 3-1 loss to United, kept playing our highline and since then have gone 3-0 away to Brentford and 3-1 home to Spurs.

This is why I fully support the aggressive highline, because it's expansive and bullies the opposition when executed right. We have the players to play this brand of football, so I couldnt understand 'dropping deeper'. Thats what Gary Neville would do if he was our manager. Its what Southgate does for England.

Everytime the team card is shown it has Xhaka next to Partey, but in reality Partey is the sole pivot and Xhaka occupies the same forward space on the left side as Odegaard does on the right. In simple terms its 4-1-2-3. In possession is 2-5-3.

I can understand fans watching us get forward and seeing all that vacant pace with so many of our players forward & getting excited. But before that counter attack can happen, you need to deal with the fact we have the ball and all these players in your opposition third. Spurs won that penalty from a counter attack, no doubt Gary Neville calls this naive. But do you know what also naive, Spurs Sitting so deep. Allowing Partey to pick his spot with no pressure, or allowing Saka one of many runs at Perisic & Lenglet one of these runs which lead to Lloris fumble. Simple law of averages, the more time Martinelli and Saka get to run at the opposition fullback, the greater our chances are of the next goal.

Were playing Liverpool this week. And guess what, were playing the highline.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sizzling sausages

GoonerGirly

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2014
Messages
1,034
Supports
Arsenal
This is why we play a highline. Because its how we get results. Tell me how its better to have 35% of the ball and be waiting to attack, rather than owning the ball and dictating the game at your own terms?

People will point to the United game, but Partey didn't play that game, and fact is not every game will break in your favour. We did enough to get a result at Old Trafford, but the final execution just wasnt there. Plus you also need to acknowledge other teams have their own qualities and sometimes you will concede goals for this reason. But we dusted ourselves off following the 3-1 loss to United, kept playing our highline and since then have gone 3-0 away to Brentford and 3-1 home to Spurs.

This is why I fully support the aggressive highline, because it's expansive and bullies the opposition when executed right. We have the players to play this brand of football, so I couldnt understand 'dropping deeper'. Thats what Gary Neville would do if he was our manager. Its what Southgate does for England.

Everytime the team card is shown it has Xhaka next to Partey, but in reality Partey is the sole pivot and Xhaka occupies the same forward space on the left side as Odegaard does on the right. In simple terms its 4-1-2-3. In possession is 2-5-3.

I can understand fans watching us get forward and seeing all that vacant pace with so many of our players forward & getting excited. But before that counter attack can happen, you need to deal with the fact we have the ball and all these players in your opposition third. Spurs won that penalty from a counter attack, no doubt Gary Neville calls this naive. But do you know what also naive, Spurs Sitting so deep. Allowing Partey to pick his spot with no pressure, or allowing Saka one of many runs at Perisic & Lenglet one of these runs which lead to Lloris fumble. Simple law of averages, the more time Martinelli and Saka get to run at the opposition fullback, the greater our chances are of the next goal.

Were playing Liverpool this week. And guess what, were playing the highline.
Agreed 100%. This is our brand of football. To expect a team like Spurs who have so much in attack to not create any chances over 90min is just unrealistic. We will probably always have a brain fart in us, but we seem to have more steel now to overcome it. Our CBs are much more mobile and quick now to play the high line, but yes sometimes we will get caught out.

Partey is so unbelievably good, it's such a shame he probably won't stay fit. I have not been a Xhaka fan for most of his time here, but Partey has unleashed him. In the last season or two, we finally see what Wenger saw in him. He was never a DM or last midfielder as his strengths do not lie in tackling and positional awareness. 2-3 years ago most fans would have been happy to see the back of him and apparently he was very close to joining Roma for about £17mil. Thank God that didn't go through. He has turned his career around here spectacularly and I'm so happy for him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sizzling sausages

Donaldo

Caf Vigilante
Joined
May 19, 2003
Messages
18,234
Location
Goes it so.
Supports
Arsenal
Xhaka has been magisterial really this season. Hardly a foot wrong for someone who made at least three silly errors per game. Helps that he's technically up there with the best in the league, was always about his mentality and being played in a position he wasn't best suited to.
 

GoonerBear

Full Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2020
Messages
3,081
Supports
Arsenal
If the league wasn't bought and paid for by a state backed club, I'd start to believe that we're in a title race.
Title Race? Im still Arsenal scarred, I'm still struggling to trust us to get top 4 if we're 8 points clear with 3 games to play!
 

Daydreamer

Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
1,347
Supports
Arsenal
Everytime the team card is shown it has Xhaka next to Partey, but in reality Partey is the sole pivot and Xhaka occupies the same forward space on the left side as Odegaard does on the right.
Yep, this is a pet peeve of mine. Xhaka’s average position was actually higher up the pitch than Odegaard against Spurs. We play 4-3-3.
Spurs won that penalty from a counter attack, no doubt Gary Neville calls this naive. But do you know what also naive, Spurs Sitting so deep. Allowing Partey to pick his spot with no pressure, or allowing Saka one of many runs at Perisic & Lenglet one of these runs which lead to Lloris fumble. Simple law of averages, the more time Martinelli and Saka get to run at the opposition fullback, the greater our chances are of the next goal.
Pundits often conflate “tactics” with dropping deep, something I deeply disagree with. Firstly, that is not always the most effective way of defending. And secondly, negating the opposition is only half of achieving tactical superiority. The other half is figuring out how you will pose the opposition problems.

Conte just seem to be relying on a combination of individual brilliance from his front three and lapses in concentration from us.

To be fair to him, it worked for the penalty and they had a few other moments where their final ball let them down. And they’ve picked up quite a few points this season. But I doubt Spurs will win anything playing the way they do.
 

stefan92

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
6,457
Supports
Hannover 96
Pundits often conflate “tactics” with dropping deep, something I deeply disagree with.
Is it possible that this is a very English thing? I haven't noticed this in Germany and it fits well with the (in this forum) often raised criticism of Bundesliga teams playing "without defence", "a suicidal high line" etc.
 

adexkola

Doesn't understand sportswashing.
Joined
Mar 17, 2008
Messages
48,471
Location
The CL is a glorified FA Cup set to music
Supports
orderly disembarking on planes
Is it possible that this is a very English thing? I haven't noticed this in Germany and it fits well with the (in this forum) often raised criticism of Bundesliga teams playing "without defence", "a suicidal high line" etc.
It is absolutely a very English thing. See the wretched word "pragmatic" and it's usage?
 

Salt Bailly

Auburn, not Ginger.
Joined
Apr 23, 2017
Messages
9,621
Location
Valinor
Arsenal fans in my WhatsApp group chats are becoming insufferable. Saliba is already the greatest CB in prem history.

Can't wait for these cnuts to crash and burn.
 

SirAF

Ageist
Joined
Sep 28, 2003
Messages
37,631
Location
Arsenal fans in my WhatsApp group chats are becoming insufferable. Saliba is already the greatest CB in prem history.

Can't wait for these cnuts to crash and burn.
Which they do, every single time. Normally it happens around November/December, but the World Cup might postpone the meltdown a bit.
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,988
Is it possible that this is a very English thing? I haven't noticed this in Germany and it fits well with the (in this forum) often raised criticism of Bundesliga teams playing "without defence", "a suicidal high line" etc.
Playing a high line against a better team with pacy forwards is what people mean when they say "suicide line". You have to actually be able to dominate the ball or have rapid, high class CBs if you're going to do it, and most German teams aren't near good enough at it to play that tactic in Europe when it's not just another bang average Bundesliga team they're facing. In fact Frankfurt are arguably the most successful German team in Europe in recent years despite being pretty shit - seem to remember they didn't play a suicide line last year, go figure.
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,988
Arsenal fans in my WhatsApp group chats are becoming insufferable. Saliba is already the greatest CB in prem history.

Can't wait for these cnuts to crash and burn.
I actually do think he's class. Most of their team is not though. Arguably it's him, Partey and Odegaard who are looking like the actual class players and the rest of the team is just "good". Ramsdale, Zinchenko, Jesus, Martinelli, White, Gabriel...these aren't special players.
 

BurgerVan

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 28, 2021
Messages
245
Supports
Arsenal
Arsenal fans in my WhatsApp group chats are becoming insufferable. Saliba is already the greatest CB in prem history.

Can't wait for these cnuts to crash and burn.
Football fans happy when football team does well. I for one am shocked Mr Salt.

There will be ups and downs, so you will get your moment, but I would suggest you cheer up son and worry about your own team. ;)
 

Nish115

Full Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2018
Messages
632
Supports
Arsenal
I actually do think he's class. Most of their team is not though. Arguably it's him, Partey and Odegaard who are looking like the actual class players and the rest of the team is just "good". Ramsdale, Zinchenko, Jesus, Martinelli, White, Gabriel...these aren't special players.
Jesus and Saka are special players.

The rest agree, but they're still very good players.

For me Gabriel is the weak link atm.
 

marktan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2017
Messages
6,935
They'll be fighting for top 4, anything else is an exaggeration. They've started well but have only faced the top 6 twice, one of which they lost.

Admittedly the top 4 battle is looking quite comfortable for them as they have gotten better and Liverpool and Chelsea to a lesser extent have weakened.
 

GoonerGirly

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2014
Messages
1,034
Supports
Arsenal
Jesus and Saka are special players.

The rest agree, but they're still very good players.

For me Gabriel is the weak link atm.
Gabriel does seem to always have an error in him but IMO because of the way we play there's always a risk of being exposed. And players will panic sometimes. I'm not sure we can ever fully eliminate it as we play such a high line. At least our CBs are quick, mobile and physically imposing now that we can mitigate the risk much better than in the past. Gabriel is only 24yrs old himself so there's still plenty of room for improvement. It just shows you how composed Saliba is at 21 and new to the league, that he looks the more accomplished defender (so far this season).
 

GoonerGirly

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2014
Messages
1,034
Supports
Arsenal
Artetas Partey quotes are embarrassing, would be cringing if i was an Arsenal fan
What exactly do you expect him to say? Do we just pretend he doesn't exist and isn't arguably our most important player? And that the goal he scored today wasn't top drawer?
 

Salt Bailly

Auburn, not Ginger.
Joined
Apr 23, 2017
Messages
9,621
Location
Valinor
Football fans happy when football team does well. I for one am shocked Mr Salt.

There will be ups and downs, so you will get your moment, but I would suggest you cheer up son and worry about your own team. ;)
Nah, arse fans are a special breed. Which will make it all the sweeter when the bubble bursts :drool:
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,988
Jesus and Saka are special players.

The rest agree, but they're still very good players.

For me Gabriel is the weak link atm.
I would go so far as saying Saka and Jesus are very good players but special, not for me. There's a reason Pep never trusted Jesus and Saka isn't even a top 5 winger in the league, never mind special. To me special is players like Salah, Hazard, Mané, Ronaldo, De Bruyne.

And to call Ramsdale and White very good I can't really agree with. White is so good he's been forced out of his position by Gabriel...himself only really a decent player. I wouldn't say you have any bad players but there's still a lot who are just "good" and nobody would be particularly excited if they were on the market.
 

GoonerGirly

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2014
Messages
1,034
Supports
Arsenal
I would go so far as saying Saka and Jesus are very good players but special, not for me. There's a reason Pep never trusted Jesus and Saka isn't even a top 5 winger in the league, never mind special. To me special is players like Salah, Hazard, Mané, Ronaldo, De Bruyne.

And to call Ramsdale and White very good I can't really agree with. White is so good he's been forced out of his position by Gabriel...himself only really a decent player. I wouldn't say you have any bad players but there's still a lot who are just "good" and nobody would be particularly excited if they were on the market.
I think you're completely overlooking the fact that Saka is only 21yrs old. At 21 Hazard just arrived at Chelsea and Salah was at Basel. Ronaldo, yes, was a prodigy and joined you guys at 18. Not too different from Saka who broke into our team at about the same age. Saka has been one of our few beacons of light in the past 2-3 seasons and has been incredibly consistent for a young player.

And White was forced out of his position by Saliba, not Gabriel. But he has been very very good at RB. Last season Tomiyasu looked our RB for years to come but things have changed. White deserves to stay in the team which shows how good he's been. I'm loving the competition in our fullback positions - Tierney/Zinchenko and White/Tomi are very good options.
 

Nish115

Full Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2018
Messages
632
Supports
Arsenal
I would go so far as saying Saka and Jesus are very good players but special, not for me. There's a reason Pep never trusted Jesus and Saka isn't even a top 5 winger in the league, never mind special. To me special is players like Salah, Hazard, Mané, Ronaldo, De Bruyne.

And to call Ramsdale and White very good I can't really agree with. White is so good he's been forced out of his position by Gabriel...himself only really a decent player. I wouldn't say you have any bad players but there's still a lot who are just "good" and nobody would be particularly excited if they were on the market.
Irrelevent about Jesus at City. It's been quite clear so far he is a special player, he's MOTM in most our games. But fair enough I agree in a way, let's see at the end of the season if he can maintain.

Saka is a special player, he impacts every game. But by special to be fair I mean partly for his age. He isn't world class yet, but for his age he's in the right direction for it.

Na rubbish about White. Ask any Arsenal fan they'll tell you he's been our best defender for 2 seasons, although Saliba this year is competing. He's been class all season. He never got pushed anywhere, Tomiyasu was injured so White had to play RB because he's done it before, and why would Mikel change anything when it's currently working very well, it would be daft.

Gabriel only plays over White because he is left footed and Arteta has an obession with left footed CB playing left side, it's as simple as that really.

Ramsdale, fair maybe he's just good but he can go up another level. He's 1vs1 stopping is poor though.
 

GlasgowCeltic

Full Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2006
Messages
5,331
What exactly do you expect him to say? Do we just pretend he doesn't exist and isn't arguably our most important player? And that the goal he scored today wasn't top drawer?
I expect him to not waffle on about everything Parteys "been through",
 

Rojofiam

Full Member
Joined
May 11, 2017
Messages
3,428
I actually do think he's class. Most of their team is not though. Arguably it's him, Partey and Odegaard who are looking like the actual class players and the rest of the team is just "good". Ramsdale, Zinchenko, Jesus, Martinelli, White, Gabriel...these aren't special players.
Other than Gabriel everyone you listed is a great player :lol:
 

paraguayo

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 24, 2019
Messages
1,339
Supports
neutral
I would go so far as saying Saka and Jesus are very good players but special, not for me. There's a reason Pep never trusted Jesus and Saka isn't even a top 5 winger in the league, never mind special. To me special is players like Salah, Hazard, Mané, Ronaldo, De Bruyne.

And to call Ramsdale and White very good I can't really agree with. White is so good he's been forced out of his position by Gabriel...himself only really a decent player. I wouldn't say you have any bad players but there's still a lot who are just "good" and nobody would be particularly excited if they were on the market.
if you consider Odegaard special, then surely Jesus is special too? unless you haven’t watched any arsenal game this season then fair enough
 

AFC NimbleThumb

New Member
Joined
Apr 21, 2019
Messages
8,363
This thread is providing some top tier content. Be sure to stay this active throughout the season, quite a flood of Arsenal newbies, I’m a little puzzled as to why now? Front runners.
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,988
if you consider Odegaard special, then surely Jesus is special too? unless you haven’t watched any arsenal game this season then fair enough
I think Odegaard is showing signs of becoming special, I don't think he's there yet. Jesus is still Jesus, talented but streaky. He's just flying right now and at a club of the right level for him.
 

Donaldo

Caf Vigilante
Joined
May 19, 2003
Messages
18,234
Location
Goes it so.
Supports
Arsenal
I think Odegaard is showing signs of becoming special, I don't think he's there yet. Jesus is still Jesus, talented but streaky. He's just flying right now and at a club of the right level for him.
Yeah top of the table seems to be his level.
 

bosnian_red

Worst scout to ever exist
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
58,069
Location
Canada
What exactly do you expect him to say? Do we just pretend he doesn't exist and isn't arguably our most important player? And that the goal he scored today wasn't top drawer?
There are a bunch of things to say, since you've gone down the inexplicably idiotic and wrong route of playing him, you just pretend like nothing is going on. Saying "what he's been through, as if he's the victim when he's in all likelihood a rapist, is a fecking joke and washing the incident away because he scored a goal
 

Fridge chutney

Full Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2016
Messages
8,960
This is why we play a highline. Because its how we get results. Tell me how its better to have 35% of the ball and be waiting to attack, rather than owning the ball and dictating the game at your own terms?

People will point to the United game, but Partey didn't play that game, and fact is not every game will break in your favour. We did enough to get a result at Old Trafford, but the final execution just wasnt there. Plus you also need to acknowledge other teams have their own qualities and sometimes you will concede goals for this reason. But we dusted ourselves off following the 3-1 loss to United, kept playing our highline and since then have gone 3-0 away to Brentford and 3-1 home to Spurs.

This is why I fully support the aggressive highline, because it's expansive and bullies the opposition when executed right. We have the players to play this brand of football, so I couldnt understand 'dropping deeper'. Thats what Gary Neville would do if he was our manager. Its what Southgate does for England.

Everytime the team card is shown it has Xhaka next to Partey, but in reality Partey is the sole pivot and Xhaka occupies the same forward space on the left side as Odegaard does on the right. In simple terms its 4-1-2-3. In possession is 2-5-3.

I can understand fans watching us get forward and seeing all that vacant pace with so many of our players forward & getting excited. But before that counter attack can happen, you need to deal with the fact we have the ball and all these players in your opposition third. Spurs won that penalty from a counter attack, no doubt Gary Neville calls this naive. But do you know what also naive, Spurs Sitting so deep. Allowing Partey to pick his spot with no pressure, or allowing Saka one of many runs at Perisic & Lenglet one of these runs which lead to Lloris fumble. Simple law of averages, the more time Martinelli and Saka get to run at the opposition fullback, the greater our chances are of the next goal.

Were playing Liverpool this week. And guess what, were playing the highline.
It took you 3 years to get to a point where you are playing a high line consistently. As teams begin to figure out how to play against Arteta's current system, he will likely need to adapt on occasion.
 

GoonerBear

Full Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2020
Messages
3,081
Supports
Arsenal
I expect him to not waffle on about everything Parteys "been through",
'Been through' could be referencing his injuries as well / instead of what you think the comment meant. Plus the fact his shooting for Arsenal was becoming Meme worthy.
I'm not sure it was waffle, he was asked a direct question about Partey and gave an couple of lines back. Hardly a massive waffle about him.