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Did a bit of reading, his dragon isn't as big as Vhagar but it's said he's a mother fecker to deal with in battle.The one Daemon was singing to is supposed to be similar in size to Vhagar.
Did a bit of reading, his dragon isn't as big as Vhagar but it's said he's a mother fecker to deal with in battle.The one Daemon was singing to is supposed to be similar in size to Vhagar.
I think he was referring to Vermithor not Caraxes.Did a bit of reading, his dragon isn't as big as Vhagar but it's said he's a mother fecker to deal with in battle.
Fair. It's more that I find it funny that Targaryens kept silver hair for three hundred years while Lannisters kept their blonde hair and Starks their black hair for hundreds if not thousands of years. It's strange that families have distinct looks when they're always intermarrying.I think it's fair to say that pairings of Valyrians and non-Valyrians can result in something of a crapshoot insofar as the silver hair is concerned. What is striking about Rhaenyra's children is that they are purportedly pureblood Valyrian yet they don't have the hair. Don't think there are any examples where this is the case elsewhere which is the crux of the issue.
Also Cersei got away with her infidelity for years and years without suspicion; it was purely because Jon Arryn uncovered something like 15 bastard children of Robert who all had black hair versus his 3 "legitimate" ones who didn't - had Robert been less profligate no one would have batted an eye.
Did a bit of reading, his dragon isn't as big as Vhagar but it's said he's a mother fecker to deal with in battle.
Vermithor still isn't as big as Vhagar; he's at least 50 years younger. He was born around the time of the conquest, while Vhagar was at least already 50 years old at that point probably. Plus on top of that Vermithor has spent the better part of 40-50 years (depending on how long the show has Viserys living) underground, which would stunt his growth.I think he was referring to Vermithor not Caraxes.
Oh I completely agree. It very much speaks to someone who skimmed the bit about Mendelian genetics in a physical encyclopedia once before going back to typing a manuscript with two fingers on a PC from 1996.Fair. It's more that I find it funny that Targaryens kept silver hair for three hundred years while Lannisters kept their blonde hair and Starks their black hair for hundreds if not thousands of years. It's strange that families have distinct looks when they're always intermarrying.
Yeah realized that after the fact.I think he was referring to Vermithor not Caraxes.
How does Viserys' age impact that?Vermithor still isn't as big as Vhagar; he's at least 50 years younger. He was born around the time of the conquest, while Vhagar was at least already 50 years old at that point probably. Plus on top of that Vermithor has spent the better part of 40-50 years (depending on how long the show has Viserys living) underground, which would stunt his growth.
Vermithor was his grandfather's dragon and has been therefore unridden for the entirety of Viserys' reign.How does Viserys' age impact that?
A bit like @ThehatchetManVermithor was his grandfather's dragon and has been therefore unridden for the entirety of Viserys' reign.
A bit like @ThehatchetMan
Some responses (and welcome to the thread!):I've been longingly watching this thread as a newbie but I didn't get promoted in time to discuss episodes on a weekly basis. But at least I'm here in time to discuss the finale! I haven't read the books so there will be no book spoilers from me.
Overall I liked the season. It's nowhere near as good as GoT before everything went to shit, but that is also a very high bar. I agree with the people who said that things got increasingly better near the end. I'm also happy that they switched out some of the actors after the first time skip. The actresses who play Alicent and Rhaenyra are much better now. The first few episodes were totally carried by Viserys and The Sea Snake acting-wise.
When it comes to the story I mainly have 3 annoyances:
1. The way Alicent misunderstood Viserys was dumb. But I guess this silliness kind of got redeemed by making it clear that Otto had planned for a coupe all along. Alicent just made things easier for him.
2. Why is the Incel Knight allowed to kill several high-born without any serious consequences?
3. I thought Larys(creative naming right there) was supposed to be some sort of mastermind, but it turns out he's just really into feet. He was never as compelling as Varys so I had low expectations, but I still managed to get disappointed
Finally: is anyone Team Green at this stage? In my opinion there's not a single redeemable character on that side. Pirate Sephiroth, The Incel Knight, King Joffrey 2, Varys Tarantino etc really make the worst team.
Thanks!Some responses (and welcome to the thread!):
2. Good point. I guess my dislike for the character clouded my judgement there2. He's Alicent's sworn sword and she can protect him pretty much unreservedly. A lot was made of him killing Lonmouth but Lonmouth also died with a dagger in his hand - it's pretty understandable that everyone would just assume the Kingsguard was doing his job, especially as there's basically only his testimony afterwards. Regarding Lord Beesbury, no one was going to hold Cole accountable as they were busy planning their coup and they were all fine with eliminating Beesbury before he could get the word out.
3. We haven't seen the last of him.
I didn't know about the two fingers bit which does help explain so much.Oh I completely agree. It very much speaks to someone who skimmed the bit about Mendelian genetics in a physical encyclopedia once before going back to typing a manuscript with two fingers on a PC from 1996.
Not sure if you saw this bit but I found it oddly endearing that he's at least self-aware:I didn't know about the two fingers bit which does help explain so much.
Sorry, I meant that you should have used his reign not his age.Vermithor was his grandfather's dragon and has been therefore unridden for the entirety of Viserys' reign.
What the hell are you talking about?The question of anyone being Team Green is a tricky one. Personally I think that if I were living in Westeros and had supernatural knowledge of all that had occurred, I'd be pretty firmly Team Green - the precedent for a male heir to take priority was literally how Viserys ascended the throne, so for him to try to turn that on its head is a non-starter. 90% of the realm agreed with that settled as a rule of law. There's also the question of who would be the better ruler and I think that's pretty clearly the Greens - Rhaenyra continually makes stupid decisions that come back to haunt her (e.g. not just marrying Harwin Strong when it was a perfectly valid option, not ensuring that she had at least one kid with Laenor no matter what, fleeing to Dragonstone instead of staying with Viserys, going back to Dragonstone again when it was pretty obvious Viserys was about to die, etc). The Hightowers are ruthless bastards but they also know how to plan things and generally have a better sense of the big picture, in my opinion. All that said, given modern sensibilities and morality being what they are Team Green is absolutely an extremely tough sell.
Rhaenyra had her choice of any husband she would have liked but didn't take her courtship seriously, in large part because she decided to bang one of the 7 people in the realm she should under no circumstances bang. Consequently she was forced into marrying Laenor - had she just married Harwin Strong off the bat everything would have been avoided.What the hell are you talking about?
True - but the show has adjusted his age both when he took over and seemingly when he died, hence my comment.Sorry, I meant that you should have used his reign not his age.
That is actually really funny.Not sure if you saw this bit but I found it oddly endearing that he's at least self-aware:
Fair enoughTrue - but the show has adjusted his age both when he took over and seemingly when he died, hence my comment.
Harwin Strong wasn't on her radar as an option until after she was married/betrothed. So yeah she should have married him but it wasn't really gonna happen. Plus at that point he was a captain in the City Watch. Not necessarily a high enough position. Only became Commander when Daemon was sent away. Wasn't gonna happen.Rhaenyra had her choice of any husband she would have liked but didn't take her courtship seriously, in large part because she decided to bang one of the 7 people in the realm she should under no circumstances bang. Consequently she was forced into marrying Laenor - had she just married Harwin Strong off the bat everything would have been avoided.
Continuing to have children with Harwin Strong despite her marriage was also a terrible decision. She never appreciated how tenuous her position was and never took the necessary steps to cement her legitimacy. When she has her sojourn with Daemon into Flea Bottom she literally dismisses the opinions of the smallfolk, which is entirely in keeping with her character and is also entirely idiotic.
Welcome to the watch brother. Care for some brothel excursion tonite?I've been longingly watching this thread as a newbie but I didn't get promoted in time to discuss episodes on a weekly basis. But at least I'm here in time to discuss the finale! I haven't read the books so there will be no book spoilers from me.
Overall I liked the season. It's nowhere near as good as GoT before everything went to shit, but that is also a very high bar. I agree with the people who said that things got increasingly better near the end. I'm also happy that they switched out some of the actors after the first time skip. The actresses who play Alicent and Rhaenyra are much better now. The first few episodes were totally carried by Viserys and The Sea Snake acting-wise.
When it comes to the story I mainly have 3 annoyances:
1. The way Alicent misunderstood Viserys was dumb. But I guess this silliness kind of got redeemed by making it clear that Otto had planned for a coupe all along. Alicent just made things easier for him.
2. Why is the Incel Knight allowed to kill several high-born without any serious consequences?
3. I thought Larys(creative naming right there) was supposed to be some sort of mastermind, but it turns out he's just really into feet. He was never as compelling as Varys so I had low expectations, but I still managed to get disappointed
Finally: is anyone Team Green at this stage? In my opinion there's not a single redeemable character on that side. Pirate Sephiroth, The Incel Knight, King Joffrey 2, Varys Tarantino etc really make the worst team.
Considering her legit husband is a ... You know... And in one episode they explained that they actually did try for what its worthRhaenyra had her choice of any husband she would have liked but didn't take her courtship seriously, in large part because she decided to bang one of the 7 people in the realm she should under no circumstances bang. Consequently she was forced into marrying Laenor - had she just married Harwin Strong off the bat everything would have been avoided.
Continuing to have children with Harwin Strong despite her marriage was also a terrible decision. She never appreciated how tenuous her position was and never took the necessary steps to cement her legitimacy. When she has her sojourn with Daemon into Flea Bottom she literally dismisses the opinions of the smallfolk, which is entirely in keeping with her character and is also entirely idiotic.
True re: Strong not being top of mind, but we see her receiving suitors from the likes of House Dondarrion and House Blackwood - House Strong is certainly on par with those at this point in history given they hold Harrenhal and Harwin is the heir. But yes, this is conjecture and now that I think about it we only see Breakbones being on her radar after the brothel sojourn so perhaps the timing doesn't work and I'm being harsh.Harwin Strong wasn't on her radar as an option until after she was married/betrothed. So yeah she should have married him but it wasn't really gonna happen. Plus at that point he was a captain in the City Watch. Not necessarily a high enough position. Only became Commander when Daemon was sent away. Wasn't gonna happen.
Yeah true re: her recklessness there. But they tried multiple times for Laenor to impregnate her. Just didn't take. That's all.
Yeah that's fair enough. Perhaps I'm overstating how poor of a decision it is in isolation, but I do think it's part of a broader pattern of her disregarding the opinions of those she considers to be under her.Considering her legit husband is a ... You know... And in one episode they explained that they actually did try for what its worth
I think circumstances just dictates that. And it's not like she can visit a brothel as princess. Daemon was married at that time and Vyseris would not sanctioned it eitherway.
Without a hindsight i dont think what she did was out of question. I would in her shoes
They did say she tried but it was the talk of the court how obvious it was that all three of her first kids weren't Laenor's. They should have made it a priority for at least one of the first two kids to be Laenors. Could have got Maester help in whatever form and she should have held off for a year or two with Strong while she tried with Laenor. I got the impression they might have tried once then she went right back to Strong rather than them making a concerted effort. Of course, it looks like Laenor deserves some blame too. He never seemed all that interested in keeping up appearances but when they knew their position as heir was threatened the instant Alicent gave birth to a son by Viserys, that really should have been their priority if they were looking to consolidate Rhaenyra's standing as heir.Considering her legit husband is a ... You know... And in one episode they explained that they actually did try for what its worth
I think circumstances just dictates that. And it's not like she can visit a brothel as princess. Daemon was married at that time and Vyseris would not sanctioned it eitherway.
Without a hindsight i dont think what she did was out of question. I would in her shoes
So long as the show runners don't decide to end 60 hours of a story that is about half way through in just 13 more episodes because they were bored of it, it shouldn't.Finally just started the first episode after season 1 has ended. I must say, I love what I'm seeing. I can understand why there are so many rave reviews. Now just hoping it doesn't end like Game of Thrones.
Yeah, heard about that drama behind the scenes. Seems GRR Martin is personally backing this show. So hope he gets to call the shots above the producers. Especially from what he's learnt before this.So long as the show runners don't decide to end 60 hours of a story that is about half way through in just 13 more episodes because they were bored of it, it shouldn't.
HBO never wanted to end GoT when it did. They wanted 10 seasons, which would have let them tell the story much better. Its such a disgrace because it was a once in a lifetime show, but the ending (really, season 6 on) was such a drop in quality that its hard to even recommend it to people anymore. HBO knows the luster the show lost, I think they'll change showrunners before allowing the quality in writing drop going forward.
Yeah, because he has such a great track record with ending things properly...Yeah, heard about that drama behind the scenes. Seems GRR Martin is personally backing this show. So hope he gets to call the shots above the producers. Especially from what he's learnt before this.
Good stories. Good characters that you care about. Lots to love about the show so far.
Jace is on his way to Winterfell. Hopefully they show whatever happens there.Thought it was a great episode.
The dragon chase scene was fantastic. Loads of tension. Child characters can be hard to like in these type of shows but I liked Lucerys. Sad to see him go out like that.
Long white hair, eyepatch, scar, a jewelled eye. Aemond is basically an anime character.
They love a grisly, tragic birth in this.
I love Rhaenys. She looks regal as feck. Her dragonrider armour is amazing too.
Hoping to see the Starks, the honourable fools, next season.
It's five full unfinished books vs a few chapters. There just aren't enough characters to have a bunch of peripherals at this point, but it is a cool story that'll be told differently to GoTI really don’t understand the rave reviews at all. The peripheral characters in GOT are infinitely more interesting than any of the main characters in HOD. There is just very little happening in this show.
Iirc, Harwin was one of the guys looking at her when she walked back into the camp covered in blood from killing the boar. She was definitely on his radar by that point based on the look he gave.Harwin Strong wasn't on her radar as an option until after she was married/betrothed. So yeah she should have married him but it wasn't really gonna happen. Plus at that point he was a captain in the City Watch. Not necessarily a high enough position. Only became Commander when Daemon was sent away. Wasn't gonna happen.
Yeah true re: her recklessness there. But they tried multiple times for Laenor to impregnate her. Just didn't take. That's all.
Yeah I want a scene where the Greens try to tempt the Starks and the Starks just stare blankly and say "But we swore oaths???" and are baffled that there's even a debate about this.Jace is on his way to Winterfell. Hopefully they show whatever happens there.
You're right about the peripheral characters. This show has focused entirely on the one extended family and there's no one like Bronn, Hound or Jaqen Haghar. But it does show how all these people get to the point of wanting to kill each other. It's all about the tension and mistrust building. S1 of GOT was similar. This show covered 19 years so I'm not sure how it didn't have stuff happening.I really don’t understand the rave reviews at all. The peripheral characters in GOT are infinitely more interesting than any of the main characters in HOD. There is just very little happening in this show.