Day 1: Qatar vs Ecuador - Match Discussion Only Please.

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Yeah I'm muslim and pray and know the times here but no idea about there.

All the people I saw walking off did so simultaneously and were dressed the same. I just wondered if it was simply a case of walking off because they were bored or something else. My first thought, based on those walking off, was is it prayer time?
Per google, it wasn’t.
 

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How stupid do you think Qatar is?
To be fair the media over drive on Qatar has really damaged peoples ability to think rationally about the whole thing.
 

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All the people I saw walking off did so simultaneously and were dressed the same. I just wondered if it was simply a case of walking off because they were bored or something else. My first thought, based on those walking off, was is it prayer time?
They've blown their budget so extras only go to games for one half or as soon as the game is beyond reach, whichever comes first.
 

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Never got a response. A shame, as I was genuinely interested.
Not worth bring out quotes but there were glib remarks about Qatari players being executed for their first half performance, bone saws being used on Ecuadorians, stonnings, beheadings. Best to just call them out when they happen than let them become a thing on the forum.
 

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Try to entertain 2 thoughts at the same time. The ultimate victim here would be the daughter. To be fair, I don't believe anything is going to happen to him, but it is at best reckless in such a country. You don't need to bring your kid along when you intend to provoke people, knowing very well there might be risk for repression. This is of course no excuse for that possible violence...
and yet you did
 

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Yeah I'm muslim and pray and know the times here but no idea about there.

All the people I saw walking off did so simultaneously and were dressed the same. I just wondered if it was simply a case of walking off because they were bored or something else. My first thought, based on those walking off, was is it prayer time?
The game kicked off 7pm local time.

Qatar specifically asked for this game to be today and at this time. Surely there's no way they'd want it to clash with a time to pray.
 

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You rarely get a response when you ask someone to back up those kind of claims sadly.
Mate, it's there for everyone to see. You'd think you'd have read the thread which you have been active on instead of trying to dismiss people.
 

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You rarely get a response when you ask someone to back up those kind of claims sadly.
Unfortunately, in my view, the whole situation has become extremely divisive, emotional and political. Any negative comment about anything is seen as an attack on the entire Arab community and all things Qatar, Arab, and Muslim. No doubt that there will be some posters here, though, with an inappropriate dislike to all those things too. That’s why I was keen to see who and what was posted. Not even to challenge his view as such, but to see which of the two above was potentially the case.
 

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I can see Qatar throwing their toys out the pram and trying to cancel the WC when they're officially knocked out the group stage
You what? How much do you want to bet that will happen? :lol:
 

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Not worth bring out quotes but there were glib remarks about Qatari players being executed for their first half performance, bone saws being used on Ecuadorians, stonnings, beheadings. Best to just call them out when they happen than let them become a thing on the forum.
And of course such comments are not appropriate.
 

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The game kicked off 7pm local time.

Qatar specifically asked for this game to be today and at this time. Surely there's no way they'd want it to clash with a time to pray.
I just googled and Isha (the last prayer of the day was 6.15). Truth is they just didn't want to stick around.
 

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nit picking :lol:

Qatar didn't look overly defensive or anything like that, I don't expect them to play like City. I don't think it's too much to ask for to have a shot on target though.

They were fecking awful and the stadium looked half empty by the 2nd half.

That's not nit picking.
It kind of is imo. I mean man city struggle to fill their ground and they play amazing football. Having people go in a Qatar and Ecuador match isn't a Biggie. Of course if it was prayer time then good on them.

As for games, first half was ok and second half crap. But as a utd fan having a poor display is nothing new. Similarly with the players available England are boring as feck in tournaments (bar the odd game).

As I said I find international football is often boring and tedious. Slower paced and defensive. A lot of games a borefest. Don't think that's something to beat Qatar with.

Just my opinion of course
 

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Mate, it's there for everyone to see. Maybe read the thread instead of trying to dismiss people.

I'd say everyone in this thread during the game was also watching the game so things get missed.

Report the posts you see. Shine a light on the shitty people so they can be dealt with.
 

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It kind of is imo. I mean man city struggle to fill their ground and they play amazing football. Having people go in a Qatar and Ecuador match isn't a Biggie. Of course if it was prayer time then good on them.

As for games, first half was ok and second half crap. But as a utd fan having a poor display is nothing new. Similarly with the players available England are boring as feck in tournaments (bar the odd game).

As I said I find international football is often boring and tedious. Slower paced and defensive. A lot of games a borefest. Don't think that's something to beat Qatar with.

Just my opinion of course
What on earth are you about?

Qatar were fecking dreadful, and it was embarrassing to see the host nation in their first ever World Cup game playing in front of an increasingly empty stadium. Not with 10 minutes left or 5 minutes left but as the 2nd half kicked off, you could see vast swathes of empty seats.

I don't know why you keep bringing up City or Liverpool and now Utd and England , I'm not expecting Qatar to be as good as City. I'm just saying they were awful and looked well out of their depth.

It wasn't prayer time anyway.
 

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I just googled and Isha (the last prayer of the day was 6.15). Truth is they just didn't want to stick around.

You may well be right and thanks for looking it up.

One thing I will say is if Isha enters at 6.15 the mosques won't be reading at that time. That would be the earliest time you can read it. So in England for example Isha entering is about an hour and a half after Maghrib (which is prayed quickly) but not unusual to be an hour or two after it's entered
 

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You may well be right and thanks for looking it up.

One thing I will say is if Isha enters at 6.15 the mosques won't be reading at that time. That would be the earliest time you can read it. So in England for example Isha entering is about an hour and a half after Maghrib (which is prayed quickly) but not unusual to be an hour or two after it's entered
Dude it’s 9:45 in Qatar now. So the game finished at what, around 9?
 

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You may well be right and thanks for looking it up.

One thing I will say is if Isha enters at 6.15 the mosques won't be reading at that time. That would be the earliest time you can read it. So in England for example Isha entering is about an hour and a half after Maghrib (which is prayed quickly) but not unusual to be an hour or two after it's entered
Yeha I wouldn't expect the jamat to start at 6.15. But personally I don't think this is the reason they left early. It's a shame they didn't stick around for their team.
 

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I love how so many people can take a tongue in cheeky comment seriously :lol: I used the emote on my phone instead of :lol: at the end and it didn't show ... It's actually made it funnier in the end :lol:
 

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To be fair the media over drive on Qatar has really damaged peoples ability to think rationally about the whole thing.
To be fair, rather than elusive “the media pushing their agenda”, Qatar’s own decisions and backtracking on their own promises have damaged how people perceive them and their PR stunt. You might try to spin it whatever way you
want and try to convince yourself it’s the racist media hating on this particular country, but vast majority of football fans are disgusted by their blood money ruining the game.
 

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Not worth bring out quotes but there were glib remarks about Qatari players being executed for their first half performance, bone saws being used on Ecuadorians, stonnings, beheadings. Best to just call them out when they happen than let them become a thing on the forum.
I said that. And it has nothing to do with Islam, or Muslims, or the people around that guy. And everything to do with how absolute power operates with impunity and cruelty. Which is what the royal family and those close to it possess. If this World Cup was in China, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest by this point, I'd be saying they'd send the secret police after him and put him in a camp. If mocking authoritarian regimes who trample callously on innocent lives is enough to get me banned, then get it over with.
 

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Unfortunately, in my view, the whole situation has become extremely divisive, emotional and political. Any negative comment about anything is seen as an attack on the entire Arab community and all things Qatar, Arab, and Muslim. No doubt that there will be some posters here, though, with an inappropriate dislike to all those things too. That’s why I was keen to see who and what was posted. Not even to challenge his view as such, but to see which of the two above was potentially the case.
As I have witnessed many other times re racist/sexist remarks, there have now been about 5x as many posts discussing "the issue" than the number of posts that you could even remotely take issue with. None of these get brought up either, because the longer it snowballs for the more ridiculous a strawman it turns into.

It's probably 3-4 chaps that maybe got carried away and probably overly infused with the negativity/sentiment, that's about it really.

I've no agenda either way here, I'm just increasingly exhausted by how much every discussion these days turns into anything but football.
 

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I got no doubts most Arab people are warm and friendly. I think most people are generally warm and friendly. There's been a lot of noise about Qatar's human rights record and the LGBT thing around this world cup. Weren't there a lot of workers who died constructing the stadiums for this world cup? If there's a big difference between the state of Qatar and that of Saudi Arabia then i do apologise to anyone sincerely offended..

In either case my jokes were about the state not the people in general. Just ridiculous to have a whole set of attitudes and beliefs ascribed to one admittedly slightly tasteless joke.
Yes, there is a big difference between Saudi and Qatar. Same as there is difference, for example, between Germany and Poland.

Again, there are serious issues with human rights and LGBTQ in Middle East countries. However, some of those countries are changing. It is a very slow process but attacking every small thing related to Qatar will not expedite this.

it’s like people think that Europe is without any issues, in particular in terms of LGBTQ rights. It’s great to see that in the last 10 years Europe became more inclusive but still big portions of society of especially Central Eastern Europe are very homophobic. Just in 2020, the current president of Poland built his campaign around attacking LGBTQ minority. And let’s be honest that we can find much more examples like that in European region.

I also thought that the horrific reported number of deaths in Qatar during preparation of WC has already been debunked. However, I can still see people and media throwing around the famous “6500” number.

Again, people are entitled to criticise what they want. However, I have been a Redcaf lurker for over 10 years and can’t remember same amount of outrage during, for example, WC in Russia or any other sporting event in any other dubious parts of the world. So why does this WC get a special treatment?
 

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You may well be right and thanks for looking it up.

One thing I will say is if Isha enters at 6.15 the mosques won't be reading at that time. That would be the earliest time you can read it. So in England for example Isha entering is about an hour and a half after Maghrib (which is prayed quickly) but not unusual to be an hour or two after it's entered
people who left, left because they gave up on their team. That’s sad. It’s Qatar’s first world cup game and as a host. People should’ve stayed till the end.

i was hoping for a better start for Qatar, but they seemed to be all over the place defensively. Ecuador also dropped their form in the second half. Was hoping for a better start but didn’t have high expectations anyway.
 

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To be fair, rather than elusive “the media pushing their agenda”, Qatar’s own decisions and backtracking on their own promises have damaged how people perceive them and their PR stunt. You might try to spin it whatever way you
want and try to convince yourself it’s the racist media hating on this particular country, but vast majority of football fans are disgusted by their blood money ruining the game.
Ok man.
 

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Is this similar scenario to CL final this year where Madrid had goal ruled out v pool?
That one was bullshit and should have stood, because it was actually Fabinho who played the ball to Benzema.

But the scenario of the keeper being ahead of the "offside" player was similar.
 

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Dude it’s 9:45 in Qatar now. So the game finished at what, around 9?
Yeha I wouldn't expect the jamat to start at 6.15. But personally I don't think this is the reason they left early. It's a shame they didn't stick around for their team.
I'm not saying I'm right fellas. Just something I thought of when it happened.

Just to give you an example Isha on one timetable for me locally enters at 5:43 or there abouts. The prayer or as 2mufc0 has mentioned the jamat is at 7:15.

If I go to the mosque I would go at 7ish. However if I was reading at home or was with a group doing jamat ourselves it maybe 6 or maybe 9 or later etc.

These guys may well have stayed if the game was exciting and their team was winning and prayed later. Or maybe they thought nah let's go and pray in the mosque and in jamat. The significance being that jamat in mosque has more reward according t scripture for Muslims.

Again could be completely wrong and maybe they just don't support their nation like we see here. Was just a thought
 

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I'm not saying I'm right fellas. Just something I thought of when it happened.

Just to give you an example Isha on one timetable for me locally enters at 5:43 or there abouts. The prayer or as 2mufc0 has mentioned the jamat is at 7:15.

If I go to the mosque I would go at 7ish. However if I was reading at home or was with a group doing jamat ourselves it maybe 6 or maybe 9 or later etc.

These guys may well have stayed if the game was exciting and their team was winning and prayed later. Or maybe they thought nah let's go and pray in the mosque and in jamat. The significance being that jamat in mosque has more reward according t scripture for Muslims.

Again could be completely wrong and maybe they just don't support their nation like we see here. Was just a thought
Even if they went for prayers they could have come back? Or even prayed after the match at home. But agree your explanation is plausible but I think it's unlikely. I also know tickets were really hard to come by for this game and it's a shame these fans didn't stick around as there were plenty of others that would have if they could have got their hands on them.