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SalfordRed18

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The point is these decisions haave always been adjudicated from a side view perspective. Suddenly we've decided to take the view from over the ball, because one angle may show the ball possibly in.
Bravo solid troll, you got me.
 

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The point is these decisions haave always been adjudicated from a side view perspective. Suddenly we've decided to take the view from over the ball, because one angle may show the ball possibly in.
Even from the side angle the ball is still in. The ball is not touching the line but the curvature of the ball is in, just draw a line upwards from the goal line and it's obviously in. Oh and also, give evidence that these decisions have always been shown from a side view perspective in the VAR era ? I seem to remember the exact same thing happening in the Ajax Madrid quarter final a couple of years ago and whenever goal line technology is used, it's used from the above angle, precisely for these types of scenarios.
 

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The point is these decisions haave always been adjudicated from a side view perspective. Suddenly we've decided to take the view from over the ball, because one angle may show the ball possibly in.
Goal line technology literally shows the ball overhead. Are you serious?

 

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The point is these decisions haave always been adjudicated from a side view perspective. Suddenly we've decided to take the view from over the ball, because one angle may show the ball possibly in.
It doesn't matter what perspective you're looking at it from. From the above perspective, it's in. From the side perspective you prefer, it's also in.

The only thing that changes with the perspective is how easy it is to recognise and communicate to people why it's in. And the above perspective is obviously the best in that regard, which is why people are using it.
 

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New ITV gameshow confirmed: Ball Over Line?

"It's...over the line."

*dramatic pause*

"You've just won £3000 and a Ford Focus!"
 

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Even from the side angle the ball is still in. The ball is not touching the line but the curvature of the ball is in, just draw a line upwards from the goal line and it's obviously in. Oh and also, give evidence that these decisions have always been shown from a side view perspective in the VAR era ? I seem to remember the exact same thing happening in the Ajax Madrid quarter final a couple of years ago and whenever goal line technology is used, it's used from the above angle, precisely for these types of scenarios.
That's a fair point about goal line decisions. I hadn't considered that. I still think the ball was out, but it's true they have been taking an over the ball view of goal line decisions... even though its largely computer generated.
 

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The point is these decisions haave always been adjudicated from a side view perspective. Suddenly we've decided to take the view from over the ball, because one angle may show the ball possibly in.
This is because the side view has always been the only view the linesman has and so we have to use their best interpretation. The lines on football pitches are considered to project vertically forming a plane and huams cannot, at the time of writing, fly.
 

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This is because the side view has always been the only view the linesman has and so we have to use their best interpretation. The lines on football pitches are considered to project vertically forming a plane and huams cannot, at the time of writing, fly.


I'm taking the view we should use only the same angles available to linesman for historical consistency. That being said, I did forget the goal line decisions which I approve of.
 

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Your example is a computer generated simulation of the ball crossing the line.
Either trolling at this point or needs a few years to get exposure to how camera angles can distort the true position of the ball

Look at parallax too.
 

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That's a fair point about goal line decisions. I hadn't considered that. I still think the ball was out, but it's true they have been taking an over the ball view of goal line decisions... even though its largely computer generated.
I can't figure out if you're trolling or not, that's very disturbing.

Linesman does not/cannot over rule the center ref. Doesn’t matter what the lino did or did not indicate if the center ref had other ideas (which he did).
Nothing prevents the center ref to change his decision after asking his linesman. They just don't do that anymore because they have VAR.
 

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Linesman does not/cannot over rule the center ref. Doesn’t matter what the lino did or did not indicate if the center ref had other ideas (which he did).
The call on the pitch - made by the ref based on the linesman's - was goal kick
 

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I wouldn't even have gone for it. Wtf
Still a pretty cool trophy to keep in the future.

Obviously it sucks they're out early, but in the long run it's still nice to have
 

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Your example is a computer generated simulation of the ball crossing the line.
Mate, it's recreated based on the feedback of multiple cameras placed around the stadium with the sole purpose of measuring the exact position of the ball relative to the goal line. It's not made by someone eyeballing it.
 

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Mate, it's recreated based on the feedback of multiple cameras placed around the stadium with the sole purpose of measuring the exact position of the ball relative to the goal line. It's not made by someone eyeballing it.
I know and I'm sure the simulated footage is very accurate probably within few percent margins of error. But its not flawless even in the spec sheet AFAIK. Still much prefer it to humans making the goal line decision though!
 

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The call on the pitch - made by the ref based on the linesman's - was goal kick
This doesn't mean anything because they scored before the whistle was blown. Regardless of any call on the pitch the goal is going to get checked by VAR and given if it's a valid goal.
 

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Yeah but that's where VAR comes in. The only way that couldn't have been changed is if the ref blew his whistle before the ball went into the net.
This doesn't mean anything because they scored before the whistle was blown. Regardless of any call on the pitch the goal is going to get checked by VAR and given if it's a valid goal.
That's the point i was making?