Fair play. I expected flat out denial, but this is nice to see.It really doesn't matter, he could have carried the ball into the net and it wouldn't change the fact he won the WC.
Congrats to Argentinian Caftards and the Messi brigade.
I'm going to avoid football for a while.
Lionel Messi is OFFICIALLY the Greatest Player of all Time (CONFIRMED OFFICIAL)
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Even with Ronaldo's recent antics at Utd, based on his footballing achievements alone, he's had an incredible career; and he's now a World Cup short of being better than Messi
Hate that tweet so much, these are not boxing bouts, or any competition between individuals, and today was probably the best Argentina have looked in attack all tournament, with Messi maybe not quite as good as he was in the other knock out games in his general play.
Yes true, and a couple of years later we literally didn't get a sniff, as we were played off the park (just glad we can say it was one of the greatest footballing/Barca teams of all time that we were up against)
cal, you always knew Messi was better man, but credit to you for stillIt really doesn't matter, he could have carried the ball into the net and it wouldn't change the fact he won the WC.
Congrats to Argentinian Caftards and the Messi brigade.
I'm going to avoid football for a while.
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Ronaldo has had a wonderful career and yet he will be remembered for not being Messi and not being as good as Messi.
Messi crowned his superiority with a fecking world cup, Ronaldo dug his own grave with an interview for Piers fecking Moron.
Ronaldo is a complete joke of his own making.
Messi crowned his superiority with a fecking world cup, Ronaldo dug his own grave with an interview for Piers fecking Moron.
Ronaldo is a complete joke of his own making.
You don't know them if you think the 'Ronaldo vs Messi' thread is dead for them.
Give it a few weeks and watch SC96 and MrEleson break the ground for the 'Ronaldo for 2026' re-election campaign.
Oh dear
In the football context, if the competition still exists, the debate will be continued forever and forever. Everyone from Messi to Maradona can be established in terms of goat status by showing their different performances in different circumstances. Opinion is a thing that you must respect between each other. Commonly, everyone will have a different view on football. The cases in that Messi can be the greatest player of all time are he is the most consistent performer in league games and domestic football, his standard in the league and domestic football are ahead of everyone in this history of football. Messi also has the mercurial case to be one of the best performers in continental football( European Cup, Uefa Champions League) alongside Cristiano Ronaldo( although in UCL, I probably rate Ronaldo a bit higher). His National team performances are always questioned by a lot of people have been unlocked by his performances in this World Cup, and Copa America( 2021, 2016, 2015). In terms of skillsets, he is a real complete attacker. He is the best dribbler in the history of football alongside Maradona, George Best, and Garrincha, he is one of the best finishers of all time alongside a lot of the greatest strikers like Muller, Cristiano, Romario, and Van Basten, he is also one of the best through-ball/creative passers of all time alongside Zico, Michael Laudrup, Diego Maradona, Luis Suarez Miramontes, Xavi, Platini, and Rivera. His techniques and ball control are also top-notch too. Overall, he is one of the most complete attackers of all time alongside Pele.
For Pele and Diego, you can bring different cases to make both of them goat in the football industry. Anyway, it depends on each person's opinion and everyone has their opinion about their goat. At this moment, I view him as a goat in the football industry due to the reasons that I mentioned above. However, everyone must respect different opinions about this topic. The best way is probably to enjoy and admire every great player from generation to generation. I am a lucky person who has watched Messi, Cristiano, Mbappe, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, and Diego live in my country( Thailand).
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Messi the goat
For Pele and Diego, you can bring different cases to make both of them goat in the football industry. Anyway, it depends on each person's opinion and everyone has their opinion about their goat. At this moment, I view him as a goat in the football industry due to the reasons that I mentioned above. However, everyone must respect different opinions about this topic. The best way is probably to enjoy and admire every great player from generation to generation. I am a lucky person who has watched Messi, Cristiano, Mbappe, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, and Diego live in my country( Thailand).
Messi the goat
There are still the 4 Goats.
So which returnee are you?
As a follow up to my post 362.
Has there ever been a player in football history that has had such a phenomenal World Cup and tournament for that matter while being this old (35.5 years old)? and winning it all while being the best player of the tournament with 10 goal contributions (7 goals and 3 assists) and scoring in every single game outside of the second group stage game against Poland where he was arguably the MoM anyway? Did he not win it that day as well but ending up giving the MoM "trophy" to Alexis Mac Allister instead? I think so.
Not to forget the pressure he was playing under throughout the entire tournament and in particular after the disastrous defeat against Saudi Arabia of all teams. This was his final chance to win his last missing trophy and the biggest one as well.
Winning the World Cup In such an insane manner too in arguably the best and most tense World Cup final to date? Scoring 2 goals in the final too and scoring the first penalty in the penalty shootout while being 1-0 down after Mbappé's first penalty goal?
I don't think so but this is fitting for the GOAT's insane football legacy.
Happy to hear that he won't call it a day yet although it would be the easiest thing in the world to call it a day for Argentina after winning the biggest trophy that you can win.
Insane stuff. What a game and what a win!
Pecho frío.
Has there ever been a player in football history that has had such a phenomenal World Cup and tournament for that matter while being this old (35.5 years old)? and winning it all while being the best player of the tournament with 10 goal contributions (7 goals and 3 assists) and scoring in every single game outside of the second group stage game against Poland where he was arguably the MoM anyway? Did he not win it that day as well but ending up giving the MoM "trophy" to Alexis Mac Allister instead? I think so.
Not to forget the pressure he was playing under throughout the entire tournament and in particular after the disastrous defeat against Saudi Arabia of all teams. This was his final chance to win his last missing trophy and the biggest one as well.
Winning the World Cup In such an insane manner too in arguably the best and most tense World Cup final to date? Scoring 2 goals in the final too and scoring the first penalty in the penalty shootout while being 1-0 down after Mbappé's first penalty goal?
I don't think so but this is fitting for the GOAT's insane football legacy.
Happy to hear that he won't call it a day yet although it would be the easiest thing in the world to call it a day for Argentina after winning the biggest trophy that you can win.
Insane stuff. What a game and what a win!
Pecho frío.
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GOAT. I'm so happy for him, can't begin to imagine the amount of pressure on his shoulders but finally! The fairy tale ending he deserved.
Messi
Maradona
Pele
In that order for me, It's very close though and can't fault people for putting those 3 in any order.
Messi
Maradona
Pele
In that order for me, It's very close though and can't fault people for putting those 3 in any order.
I'm pretty neutral when it comes to best players ever. But here is a thing to think about:
Maradona or Messi?
ask yourself WHAT ELSE CAN A PLAYER DO / NEED A PLAYER DO to become better than Maradona? Surely you can't do that much better than what Messi did in his career. If you still think that isn't enough to surpass him, you should be stored in the pre 2000 era forever because you always value the good ol times more than anything new. Stop glorify the past just because it is the past.
Maradona or Messi?
ask yourself WHAT ELSE CAN A PLAYER DO / NEED A PLAYER DO to become better than Maradona? Surely you can't do that much better than what Messi did in his career. If you still think that isn't enough to surpass him, you should be stored in the pre 2000 era forever because you always value the good ol times more than anything new. Stop glorify the past just because it is the past.
I will say, it's jarring the amount of people on social media saying he's the first player to "complete" football. He's not.
That would be quite odd to do, given it was locked twice, once after the Ronaldo threepeat before Ronaldo could take the lead, and again when Ronaldo had rejoined United and was going to take the leadTbf we don't know the debate has been shredded. Someone should re-open the Messi v Ronaldo poll so we can see.
100%
Dribbling genius, goals, assists. And now the World Cup as player of the tournament.
undeniable.
Dribbling genius, goals, assists. And now the World Cup as player of the tournament.
undeniable.
Pele is alongside Messi as the most complete attacker of all time. This man could do it all at the highest level. He had superb passing and playmaking skills, excellent goal-scoring skills both in the air and on the ground, excellent dribbler on his own with his specific technique. However, I rate Messi a bit above Pele as he had better dribbling( smoother and better accuracy) and better passing skills( weight of passes, and long passing). On the other hand, Pele was a more complete scorer. He was ambidextrous, a better header on the ball, better in aerial technique( overhead kick, bicycle kick), and a bit better off-the-ball player.
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Who was Messi's Gentile? The modern game is tailored for him to flourish.
Those who are still putting Maradona need to rethink. Messi, along with being the most talented, has also been most consistent performer. He's just has one bad season in his career and he follows that up with a wc win.
Not only most consistent performer, he has been the best dribbler, best passer and the best finisher of all times and that with an incredible consistency.
Not only most consistent performer, he has been the best dribbler, best passer and the best finisher of all times and that with an incredible consistency.
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There's never been a more complete attacking player. Scores as many goals as any specialist goalscorer, creates as many goals as any wideman or 10. He also passes the ball with such precision and weight as to make the most difficult passes look simple. Can beat players for fun, turns on a six pence, first touch is automatic. A master at finding space, a master at taking the ball under pressure. Can hit a set piece too of course. Plays for the team over himself - as all the best players should, it's a team sport after all
In history only the other diminutive argie had a similar skill set for me but messi trumps him with a career played at the very highest level spanning 15+ years. Winning everything he could, being the best player on the pitch near every time.
I don't support any of the teams he's played for and really don't care enough to ever enter into an argument with someone who disagrees. I'm glad he's got a world Cup medal. It's been a pleasure watching this guy play the game I love so much, I hope he carries on for years yet
In history only the other diminutive argie had a similar skill set for me but messi trumps him with a career played at the very highest level spanning 15+ years. Winning everything he could, being the best player on the pitch near every time.
I don't support any of the teams he's played for and really don't care enough to ever enter into an argument with someone who disagrees. I'm glad he's got a world Cup medal. It's been a pleasure watching this guy play the game I love so much, I hope he carries on for years yet
Twitter is full of morons.
All them Spanish lads he played with and against in La liga had the whole lot in the bag ten years ago.
So he’s Pele..
The trophy count graphics are putrid.
I think the quality of football back then (especially defending) was dogshit. I genuinely think that lower table EPL teams would humiliate those Brazil teams, easily.
So yes, he is Pele, but with football actually being at all-time high quality-wise.
Yes, agree. Maradona and Pele way better than Messi.
You can't compare era's. They would of played on worse pitches, and tougher tackles as it was a lot more physical then.
In terms of pure football skills Pelé was better in the air and better with his weaker foot. He was the complete footballer, if you had to create one in the lab Pelé would be the blueprint.
Who knows what that means. But I guess he is the first player to have won at least one World Cup (and its Golden Ball), a Continental Cup (and its player of the tournament), an UCL (and its player of the tournament), a league title (best player in the league trophy), National Cup, Ballon D’Or and Golden Shoe.
The closest would be Cristiano, but without World Cup (and its golden ball) and best player in the continental tournament. The others have not won half of those awards.
So if you count both individual and squad trophies, he is the first to have won pretty much everything that can be won.
A lot of players who play now probably wouldn’t make it then if they had to wear heavy boots, kick a ball has hard as a speed ball, uneven pitches and tackles that could end your career, horses for courses.
Pele would be humiliating defenders if he was born in this era too, but given your take that means the likes of George Best and Bobby Charlton wouldn’t register as the greatest United players ever.
De Paul, Mac Allister, Romero and Tagliafico.
Agree, he’s probably the most ambidextrous player that I’ve ever seen in my life.
More physical in time of Maradona yes. In time of Pele (especially the first two WC), definitely not, it was not physical at all, and video footage looks like two Sunday league teams playing.
Players are far fitter now than back then. Put someone like Haaland in that era, and players would bounce and fall on their arses when near him.
They could be the greatest, but not the best. Cristiano was better than Best at virtually everything. As is Messi better than Pele at everything except headers, and weaker foot.
Today’s best defenders would eat peak Pele alive.
Contrasting months. Messi lifted Rimet in tears and was feted, Cristiano got rimmed by Piers and was fired.