What about a obligation to buy?Dont see any reason to loan him out. Better to keep him as a sub instead of a loan. We need to sell him outright.
In that case I would be for it yes.What about a obligation to buy?
Mings was 4 years younger and he is on normal PL wages… The market for such players is bigger.Mings got sold for 28m 3 years back. Chelsea paid 40m for Koulibaly. Villa paid 35m for Carlos .
Tbf imo Maguire is a very decent CB. He's very strong, very good in the air, pretty solid and a decent passer. His problem is slow feet and slow brain which makes him unsuitable for our current style.Selling him for 40m - 50m would be amazing. Im not even sure he will ever look like a good player again, he is a broken player and every opponent knows his weaknesses. These days he gets tricked by simple body feints every Premier League attacker can make... why would that change in a different team?
That’s not controversial. But I don’t think you actually read the article…
Rio also said he would confront ten Hag and ask him, “Are you trying to take the piss out of me (playing Luke Shaw instead) ?” Also said he would walk straight into the manager’s office and ask, “Are you disrespecting me ?”
That’s not only controversial it’s pure horseshit from Rio. Like @FrankDrebin said, could you see him stomping into Fergie’s office and saying such ? It’s just childish nonsense really and Rio should be smarter than that.
I wouldn't even allow for that situation. If there's no one to buy him now then a loan only makes sense if it is essentially a purchase transacted at a later date.The only way I'd let him go to West Ham on loan would be with a guaranteed obligation to buy if they stay in the PL.
He's still easily worth 30Million IMO and would be a really good CB for a midtable PL club.
This, 100%.No point in loaning him out. He is not a kid who needs training. And we are not here to do charity work and provide him gametime. He is one of our backup CB.
We sell him if we are getting someone else.
It wouldn't be out of the goodness of our heart, if we are looking to sell, not making our first team over a converted leftback is hardly pumping up the value. He has 2/3 years on his contract at ~190k a week, if we can loan him out for 6 months and they cover his wages + a loan fee, that's not a bad way to recoup some value and put him the shop window. Not dissimilar to Lingard, who we had zero offers for prior to his Westham stint, we could have got some money but Ole decided to keep him around for reasons unknown.No point in loaning him out. He is not a kid who needs training. And we are not here to do charity work and provide him gametime. He is one of our backup CB.
We sell him if we are getting someone else.
Mings was 4 years younger and he is on normal PL wages… The market for such players is bigger.
Koulibaly is declining and was probably a big mistake by Chelsea, but still his pedigree makes him worth the gamble… Maguire has already declined and seems beyond recovery. No big club capable of paying both his wages and the 40M will be interested. The only market for him are loans to the bottom half. And they often can afford one or the other (the big fee -40- or the big wage), not both.
Bizarre. Even the youngsters who you imagine aren’t on crazy money like Elanga or PellistriSeems to be some rule that clubs can only ever enquire to loan our players.
One doesn’t miss an opportunity to sell Maguire - it’s too rare a chanceI’d be amazed if we allowed any of our 1st team squad leave in January
Well said.No point in loaning him out. He is not a kid who needs training. And we are not here to do charity work and provide him gametime. He is one of our backup CB.
We sell him if we are getting someone else.
Yes, Woodward put it in. Part of his Disneyland approach. I mean, you can’t sell Mickey, can you? It anyone no matter how small.Seems to be some rule that clubs can only ever enquire to loan our players.
Maybe we do, under the surface. Would be very happy if we signed a young DM and young CB that both have intelligence and promiseNo point in letting Maguire or McTominay go in this window unless we have replacements lined up. We're in the title race and both are still valuable squad members. Maguire has had plenty of critics, me included but he's as good a 3rd CB as you'll get.
That is a sensible proposal. And in that case -- i.e. if he keeps them up -- he should go for 30-35m and no subsidized wages. We have tried to sell players before without any success. I am not too keen on passing on an opportunity to sell Maguire with that type of return. CB is the position where we have the most depth.The only way I'd let him go to West Ham on loan would be with a guaranteed obligation to buy if they stay in the PL.
He's still easily worth 30Million IMO and would be a really good CB for a midtable PL club.
We have a similar agreement with Marseille for Eric Bailly where there is an obligation to buy if they qualify for CL next season,That is a sensible proposal. And in that case -- i.e. if he keeps them up -- he should go for 30-35m and no subsidized wages. We have tried to sell players before without any success. I am not too keen on passing on an opportunity to sell Maguire with that type of return. CB is the position where we have the most depth.
What is the obsession with Rice? He's not good enough. If he comes he is cover for Casemiro and I don't think he'll accept thatMaguire and McT for Rice
80 million is what we paid, not his worth, so that's pointless.You don't loan an 80million signing out when you're just about to start a mad run of games. It'd be idiocy.
No point in letting Maguire or McTominay go in this window unless we have replacements lined up. We're in the title race and both are still valuable squad members. Maguire has had plenty of critics, me included but he's as good a 3rd CB as you'll get.
But he’s not actually our third choice centre half though is he?No point in letting Maguire or McTominay go in this window unless we have replacements lined up. We're in the title race and both are still valuable squad members. Maguire has had plenty of critics, me included but he's as good a 3rd CB as you'll get.
Lindelof is more dependable as far as I’m concerned.We should be getting rid of Lindelof before Harry but no club in the Premier League will take him.
I could see him being cover for Casemiro, closing games at the #8 position when we're ahead and being the backup RCB. I'd turn that down if I was him and just try to go to Arsenal and count on Partey and Xhaka being older, or to Liverpool as Fabinho has played 500 games and appears to have hit the wall physically (and in their system Rice could play as a #8 anyways since they need defensive responsibility to let their fullbacks feck around and create).What is the obsession with Rice? He's not good enough. If he comes he is cover for Casemiro and I don't think he'll accept that
He gives me shivers these days when he's playing and seems to unsettle the whole dynamics of the team. Poor bloke has lost all confidence and he doesn't seem to be relishing defending. Certainly, be a massive help to my health if moved.