Abu Referee Agenda

[OldSchoolManc]

Despite the (potential) United victory tonight, I am absolutely tired of the anti United agenda on referee decisions and VAR.
It needs to be called out like the reverse of Klopp’s rant against United, which, at the time, should have been punished by the EPL.
If Ten Hag were to say that there was a problem with Liverpool decisions, would it be taken in the same way as Klopp’s rant against United?

 

[Abraxas]

Every fan of every club around the country seems to think they're hard done by with refs and VAR. How can that be possible...

I think we just pay way more attention to our bad decisions and not much to anyone else's. It's just incompetency at times, nothing to do with an agenda.

 

[mu4c_20le]

There was some bs today but it tends to even out. Hopefully against one of our rivals, or barca

 

[77]

I've had a feeling since Rash"s city goal that the decision would get 'corrected' somewhere along the line.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

It's just incompetency at times, nothing to do with an agenda.

This. There's baffling decisions every week, not just against us. There's just a massive inconsistency in the interpretation of the rules. The referee today was garbage all over the pitch, but it was mostly against us as we had about 80% possession.

 

[M Bison]

You’re paranoid. There’s no anti-United agenda amongst the referee community. You sound like a spoilt brat.

 

[Berbasbullet]

You’re paranoid. There’s no anti-United agenda amongst the referee community. You sound like a spoilt brat.

I do agree, they aren't sat in a back room laughing evilly about giving decisions against United. But I do genuinely think whether it's sub consciously or not it's a lot easier to give decisions against United. United have a controversial goal given that is apparently technically correct and they still mentioned it in commentatory today.

But maybe all footy fans think that about their team.

 

[kouroux]

I'd rather ETH does nothing of the sort. Let's be better than this. Refs make mistakes in every game

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

You're absolutely right OP. Feckers hate us cuz they ain't us.

Ten Hag should say something, but in a subtle way. Like when Pep said "we know where we are" after the City game at OT. Push back against that shite.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

I'd rather ETH does nothing of the sort. Let's be better than this. Refs make mistakes in every game

I fully agree, but why was Klopp allowed to get away with calling out a specific team?
That’s all kinds of wrong that SHOULD have been dealt with by the authorities but wasn’t!

 

[Judge Red]

There’ll be another dodgy decision in our next match but I wouldn’t want to put any money on which way it will go.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

You're absolutely right OP. Feckers hate us cuz they ain't us.

Ten Hag should say something, but in a subtle way. Like when Pep said "we know where we are" after the City game at OT. Push back against that shite.

If I could heart a post I would but I can’t

 

[Red in STL]

If they were all against us then they'd have given Forest a goal in the last match?

 

[cyberman]

If they were all against us then they'd have given Forest a goal in the last match?

That was a matter of fact though. Not saying it’s true but that’s near impossible

 

[stevoc]

Did the commentator say tonight that only Forest have had more goals ruled out by VAR this season?

 

[#07]

The media definitely influences the referees. At the end of the day the officials are only human. You can't filter out five days of nonstop debate about 'Old Trafford decisions'. Its not possible. You're dealing with flesh and blood human beings, not Chat GPT. After seeing and hearing all of that, you can't think referees are going to be rushing to give us the benefit of doubt on 50/50s. I don't know how you address it. However, I hope Ten Hag starts to bite back and put pressure on refs himself.

 

[Red in STL]

That was a matter of fact though. Not saying it’s true but that’s near impossible

All offside's are a matter of fact, one of the few things in football that are

 

[Judas]

What a childish sad little thread.

 

[cyberman]

All offside's are a matter of fact, one of the few things in football that are

Na there was no did he purposefully play the ball with Forest, it was simply offside or not.
Unless they placed the line in the wrong spot then there’s literally no way they can give an offside goal as blatant as that

 

[SB16]

I am sure fans of other clubs will have similar threads on their forums discussing this point. I'd like to think there isn't an agenda against any club in particular (perhaps I'd rather not believe such an insidious league exists!), but merely that we have some of the most incompetent officials in any of the big leagues. Whether it comes to an inconsistent interpretation of the rules or perhaps being inclined to make calls on the basis of some desire to let a "storyline" in the match playout, I think English referees (and VAR officials) are just really below standard.

 

[Red in STL]

I am sure fans of other clubs will have similar threads on their forums discussing this point. I'd like to think there isn't an agenda against any club in particular (perhaps I'd rather not believe such an insidious league exists!), but merely that we have some of the most incompetent officials in any of the big leagues. Whether it comes to an inconsistent interpretation of the rules or perhaps being inclined to make calls on the basis of some desire to let a "storyline" in the match playout, I think English referees (and VAR officials) are just really below standard.

I'm sure they do but there is no agenda against ant club, a referee could easily influence results by booking players twice for minor offences, there's no VAR reviews on those any yellow cards are always about interpretation

 

[sebsheep]

Every fan of every club around the country seems to think they're hard done by with refs and VAR. How can that be possible...

I think we just pay way more attention to our bad decisions and not much to anyone else's. It's just incompetency at times, nothing to do with an agenda.

This is true, even when Liverpool are getting everything their fans still moan.

Though I will say every time we get brought up over some incident that might be controversial, even if correct, it's like the refs are scared to give us some things they really should be.

 

[The_Order]

Since that Bruno goal at the derby,

the refs have been determined to ake sure we don't score any goals.

 

[wolvored]

Fergie said it all evens out over a season. With VAR there is even less chance of errors, so no there is no ABU bias. We got the rub of the green against Arsenal.

 

[Northstand]

Fergie said it all evens out over a season. With VAR there is even less chance of errors, so no there is no ABU bias. We got the rub of the green against Arsenal.

How did we get the rub of the green against Arsenal? The only contentious decision, as far as I recall, was the waving away of a strong penalty shout for the challenge against AWB.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It’s the lack of protection our players are getting that really winds me up. Martinez has his face split open by an elbow and the ref does nothing. Eriksen put in crutches by a wild two-footed lunge. No booking.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

My main point, which appears to have been glossed over, is that both Klopp and Pep have called out decisions favouring United, yet if Ten Hag were to do the same regarding either Liverpool or City, he would surely be censored.
That in itself is unfair

 

[Still ill]

Give it up lads. We're better that this.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Every fan of every club around the country seems to think they're hard done by with refs and VAR. How can that be possible...

I think we just pay way more attention to our bad decisions and not much to anyone else's. It's just incompetency at times, nothing to do with an agenda.

Has any other club been specifically named like United have been?
The audacity of letting Klopp get away with that is galling

 

[justboy68]

The media definitely influences the referees. At the end of the day the officials are only human. You can't filter out five days of nonstop debate about 'Old Trafford decisions'. Its not possible. You're dealing with flesh and blood human beings, not Chat GPT. After seeing and hearing all of that, you can't think referees are going to be rushing to give us the benefit of doubt on 50/50s. I don't know how you address it. However, I hope Ten Hag starts to bite back and put pressure on refs himself.

Exactly. This very obviously goes on. People don't like to acknowledge how easily manipulated they can be. Maybe that's why some here are trying to deny it, but it's absolutely no coincidence that we've had the short end of the stick so clearly with refs in recent games after the city game. That decision was made out to be such a massive incident even my aunties were talking about it and they don't even watch football. That non stop uproar in the media definitely had an effect on subsequent refereeing. It was a similar thing with Klopp's scandalous comments too.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

There's no agenda, the standard of refereeing is just not good enough on the whole. We aren't unique in getting screwed over by it.

The World Cup in Qatar should be the standard that's aspired to. It was by no means perfect but generally it was a hell of a lot better than it is in domestic football right now, and by all accounts this rings true for pretty much all countries.

 

[Abraxas]

Has any other club been specifically named like United have been?
The audacity of letting Klopp get away with that is galling

Named by who, Klopp?

He talks nonsense all the time. He's away with the fairies when his team is performing poorly. I don't think it makes any difference to refs, managers have been talking about refs and bias since football started most likely. That's nothing new to a referee, Christ I'd be surprised if they aren't trained on it, it's not unique or novel.

How many times have we heard about Anfield decisions, OT decisions, homer refs. There's nothing in it. What there is..is an incredible amount of focus, fixation, over analysis and pressure on refs trying to do a job and that's what contributes to a climate where it's very tough and mistakes are made.

I think you're connecting two things where there's no real connection, it just seems like there is if you really want to see this outlandish conspiracy. Klopp talks rubbish then maybe we get a bad decision or two. Well there's probably half a dozen teams that got a shite decision or three since Klopp spoke, so maybe the absence of Klopp speaking about them specifically also got them a bad decision. It's not that difficult or statistically improbable you'll get bad decisions. But this tinfoil hat stuff..I thought only Liverpool fans did it.

 

[Cascarino]

Did the commentator say tonight that only Forest have had more goals ruled out by VAR this season?

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2022-23

They track things like VAR actions for each club on there and why goals were ruled out, PL only.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

There's no agenda, the standard of refereeing is just not good enough on the whole. We aren't unique in getting screwed over by it.

The World Cup in Qatar should be the standard that's aspired to. It was by no means perfect but generally it was a hell of a lot better than it is in domestic football right now, and by all accounts this rings true for pretty much all countries.

Yeah I don't think there's a bias, either. Whenever a major decision goes against a team you're supporting, it obviously carries more weight with you. And all fans tend to think that the balance of the decisions has gone against them. But I really doubt there's a bias for or against any team, in general. I - like you - think its related to the poor standard of refereeing in football.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Every fan of every club around the country seems to think they're hard done by with refs and VAR. How can that be possible...

I think we just pay way more attention to our bad decisions and not much to anyone else's. It's just incompetency at times, nothing to do with an agenda.

Referees want to play it safe, there is no agenda. It is safe to give a decision against United as there is no back lash in the media and ETH doesn't play the mind games with the referees. The Bruno goal was talked about for a week on every show, referees want to avoid such scrutiny.

 

[The Urban Goose]

That goal for forest on Wednesday was definitely referred to VAR as part of an ABU agenda.

 

[wolvored]

Yeah I don't think there's a bias, either. Whenever a major decision goes against a team you're supporting, it obviously carries more weight with you. And all fans tend to think that the balance of the decisions has gone against them. But I really doubt there's a bias for or against any team, in general. I - like you - think its related to the poor standard of refereeing in football.

Well said

 

[Giggsyking]

Yeah I don't think there's a bias, either. Whenever a major decision goes against a team you're supporting, it obviously carries more weight with you. And all fans tend to think that the balance of the decisions has gone against them. But I really doubt there's a bias for or against any team, in general. I - like you - think its related to the poor standard of refereeing in football.

Agree with you. But us having the lowest number of penalties between all PL clubs is strange and tells that we were on the unlucky side of the decisions more than the lucky one specially talking about an attacking Premier league team.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

Agree with you. But us having the lowest number of penalties between all PL clubs is strange and tells that we were on the unlucky side of the decisions more than the lucky one specially talking about an attacking Premier league team.

That's true as of right now and we will always be either going through a "lucky" stretch or an "unlucky" one. I do think we could have had a few more penalties but I'm still not going to jump to malice when it comes to refereeing.

 

[I’m loving my life]

Since Klopp broke down crying about us they have had an easy ride across multiple games, whilst decision after decision has gone against us. The referees are either extremely gullible and crap at their jobs or there’s something more entrenched going on in the institution.