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True. Most that are buying a home are doing so far away in riverside and San Bernardino counties. Those that have retired recently, or are planning to in the next couple years, are mostly moving out of California where their bloated pensions can allow them to live like kings in another state.150-200k still isn't enough given that the average cost of a home in LA is 950k. So either most people are renting or they got into a house a decade ago when great recession recovery prices were very low.
Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.150-200k still isn't enough given that the average cost of a home in LA is 950k. So either most people are renting or they got into a house a decade ago when great recession recovery prices were very low.
My point is that wages are outpaced by rises in the cost of living, so even if someone is paid what appears to be a good salary in most other parts of the country, its not enough in LA - and by LA, I mean Inland Empire to Ventura to OC. An average home in Riverside starts at over 600k, which would be steep for any cop. This isn't a law enforcement issue, its a cost of living one that applies to everyone in and around LA, SF, OC and elsewhere.Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.
In LA there was a disproportionate part of the LAPD that lived in Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Victorville, etc. In those places that level of pay goes about as far as you’d expect it to in most parts of the country. Still LA county, but not in LAPD jurisdiction.
As an officer in this situation, you’re paid a rate based on the cost of living in the city you work in, but you take all those funds outside the city and pay taxes elsewhere and have no reason to be invested in the city you police because you don’t live there.
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How long do you need to be in the job to qualify for those higher rates? I know in Victoria it takes ten years (or thirteen?) to qualify for the top band of payment.In California it is pretty accurate. 70k was the starting pay over 10 years ago for new recruits. Top step pay in many departments is 100-140k, and even higher for specialized assignments like SWAT, K9, field training officers, motors. Then when you add in OT, you’re looking at 150-200k+.
Policing where you live is fraught with danger.Next to none of them live in the city they police anyway, which is a big part of the overall problem.
In LA there was a disproportionate part of the LAPD that lived in Santa Clarita, Palmdale, Victorville, etc. In those places that level of pay goes about as far as you’d expect it to in most parts of the country. Still LA county, but not in LAPD jurisdiction.
As an officer in this situation, you’re paid a rate based on the cost of living in the city you work in, but you take all those funds outside the city and pay taxes elsewhere and have no reason to be invested in the city you police because you don’t live there.
Varies by department but average about 5-7 years for top step pay. The figures i quoted are just for California, which is known to be the highest paying.How long do you need to be in the job to qualify for those higher rates? I know in Victoria it takes ten years (or thirteen?) to qualify for the top band of payment.
Also, that isn't a universal figure across America is it? It seems that the US has a convoluted payment system that varies across states and districts.
To get back on topic. The sheer brutality aside, this was the most telling thing about the incident. They’re all on video, they all know they’re on video, and they still don’t care about how they’re conducting themselves. I just recently learned that this is one of their specialized crime-suppression units. It’s as if these gangland hoodstyle extrajudicial beatings are regular occurrences with them. That speaks volumes of the department as a whole if in 2023 this kind of behavior is unchecked up the chain of command. Most officers with bodycams would be scared to fart the wrong way, let alone talk the way they did during and after the beating.It says a lot about the American police system and the level of protection they give themselves, that even in this situation I think the only reason they got done so quickly was because they couldn't control the CCTV video. That part is just clear murder, which can not be hidden. The man is defenceless and out of it, yet is still kicked in the head and held up to be hit. If it was just the blurry body cams of this part, I wouldn't have put it past them to just sweep it under the rug.
From how they talked about it after, and the total lack of reaction as other officers arrived and saw them/heard them talking about it, it is clearly something that this police department has done before. Whether the previous victims survived or the evidence wasn't there unlike this case, its clear that the behaviour is normal for them.
Everyone else in society can easily imagine this because it’s the definition of being part of a community. It’s how we live our lives.Policing where you live is fraught with danger.
Imagine going about your daily business and running into someone you've dealt with in a work capacity. Or worse yet, someone spotting you without you realising it.
What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.Everyone else in society can easily imagine this because it’s the definition of being part of a community. It’s how we live our lives.
Now imagine that fear that someone may try and harass or kill you while there’s nothing you can do and nowhere you can run is what you feel every time you see a police officer. That’s a reality for a large percentage of Americans. Plenty have not lived to tell the tale.What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.
Running into someone you have previously arrested or issued a fine to is not ideal. It's a needless risk.
I know of stories of people being recognised and then followed home without realising it. Only for their homes to be targeted later.
My sister got run over by someone she'd arrested so yeah definitely a danger. Attacked on two other occasions whilst out of uniform as well.What are you on about? What an ignorant comment.
Running into someone you have previously arrested or issued a fine to is not ideal. It's a needless risk.
I know of stories of people being recognised and then followed home without realising it. Only for their homes to be targeted later.
Nah it's all part of living in society or somethingMy sister got run over by someone she'd arrested so yeah definitely a danger. Attacked on two other occasions whilst out of uniform as well.
Crocodile tears? Christ, what are you even talking about?Now imagine that fear that someone may try and harass or kill you while there’s nothing you can do and nowhere you can run is what you feel every time you see a police officer. That’s a reality for a large percentage of Americans. Plenty have not lived to tell the tale.
Yet you cry crocodile tears about even the implication that a cop is made to feel uncomfortable by living in even the same city. Give me a break.
How is it part of the issue, and what issue are we talking about here?Maybe police officers being afraid of living where they work is part of the issue.
Seems to be working fine in many other places.
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Not yet they haven't according to this guy in the replies:Happened a few years ago apparently, but i hooe the family received a nice settlement...
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A disciplinary investigation into the actions of two Carpentersville police officers, who were seen on video entering a home without a warrant and choking a boy inside, did not find substantiated evidence of misconduct, village attorney Brad Stewart said.
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No sirens I can understand, if a silent approach was needed. But no lights during the middle of the night is too risky, I'd be worried about other cars, let alone pedestrians.Tweet
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Not sure what training you need to be able to deal with a man with no legs running away. Just stay a few meters away and there is no risk they could rush you with a knife.They must be so poorly trained
It's not that deep.My "theory" is that law enforcement organizations in america are extremely corrupt and have actually became a cartel organization just like Mexican cartels or far right large militias (yeah, they pretend to be saviours of the nation but they sell guns and drugs just like any other cartel). The power available is huge and the funding is also huge, probably the most "rich" police force all over the world.
This is the only way to explain the amount of people with ASD that get selected to become a cop. Those kind of persons are needed in a criminal organization: they are fearless and they are remorseless for those who stand in their way.
A lot of problems would probably be solved with soft skills, but due to the profile selected, those kind of cops will get bored if they didn't kicked someone's teeth inside their stomach that day.
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Yep. All my gun owning brothers and sisters soak the bed with nightly wet dreams of reenacting John Wick. The only reason to own a handgun is because you have an innate desire to kill.Too many Americans seem to just be waiting for the opportunity to kill someone. Most of them just dream about a home invasion where they can be the hero, but some of them become police too.
Kick the sonafabitch cause he ain't complyingThinking it's reasonable to tell someone to show you their hands after you've just shot them 11 times is remarkable.
