Who is proud of anything in that conversation?
Marcel Sabitzer - (Use the Player Performance thread to discuss his matchday performances)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I don’t think that’s quite right. Sabitzer is a converted AM who also played on the wing. He is now an all round midfielder but more on the attacking / creative side of the spectrum than the defensive side. He also has a good engine and can press. Not as clever as Eriksen but more like him than, say, Fred.
@Tom Cato 's post. Change English to Chinese and read this part again: "Many Europeans don't fancy the language"
Ha, sorry, it went over my head.
So pride was indeed never part of the conversation, nor was ignorance. How many languages do you speak fluently, how many languages the average english speaker speaks without that language having any cultural link to them?
I think it was. It was the entire motivating factor for my reply.
I think with Eriksen VDB and Mctominay all out he's going to be playing as soon as possible.
And your reply was senseless. There was no pride nor celebration of ignorance in that post.
Sure, semantics indeed and the fact that it happened late is the main concern probably, and I wasn't trying to be obtuse or anything, in my view, it is just a simple short term loan that has no fee probably (compared to Felix or our own expensive loan of Falcao back in the day), and it is just to cover for an injured player, so I don't see why someone like Merson was making it a big deal, as if we were looking to bring a CM all window and we just ended up with Sabitzer! clearly that was not the case here.
Why do so many of you on here give a single flying feck what Paul Merson has to say about our transfers? There's far too much time and energy being wasted giving his comments any air time whatsoever.
File him under "Souness" and ignore him.
The mere fact that so many ABU's are creeping out of the woodwork again to give their ignorant opinions on our club should give you some satisfaction - we're relevant again and the bitters are worried. Bask in that and filter out the noise.
File him under "Souness" and ignore him.
The mere fact that so many ABU's are creeping out of the woodwork again to give their ignorant opinions on our club should give you some satisfaction - we're relevant again and the bitters are worried. Bask in that and filter out the noise.
English has now come in demand for Sabitzer. I fail to see why that is somehow different from you not knowing cantonese or even mandarin. I cant say I agree with the principle of calling someone "ignorant" for not speaking a language they have had no reason to speak. In Germany, they speak German.
I mean not just United can learn from this surely?
Perhaps I misread the tone of your post, I thought it sounded like some people were proud or happy to not learn english. I agree it would be inappropriate to label someone as ignorant simply for not speaking an additional language.
That should not be a problem. Bayern is big in fitness, too. The only thing he might not have is actually match fitness, as he did not play 90 minutes regularily and after the World Cup, that he did not play because of Austria not being qualified, and Xmas we had a 2 week preparation until a week ago. But that rest should not be negative for you on the long run, too. Even if he needs to be eased in and might not play 90 minutes every match from the start on.
So - 4 matches will be played against teams that have players in them that left Bayern in the last year. Palace with Chris Richards, Leeds with Marc Roca and Barcelona with Lewandowski.
Just had another look at this guy and style-wise he will be a perfect foil for Case imo.
The other question is can he deliver the required level and consistency? We’ll see, but he’s obviously been brought in to fill the creative void, he’s not just another body to fill out the squad.
The other question is can he deliver the required level and consistency? We’ll see, but he’s obviously been brought in to fill the creative void, he’s not just another body to fill out the squad.
Yeah 100%
Just needs to be mentioned that he hasn't played much football at all in the last 2 months, so fans should be patient...which is never going to happen! But that won't stop me mentioning it a few times on the Cafe
Most players who arent comfortable speaking english would rather speak their native language in interviews and that doesnt mean they dont know english AT ALL. Now put yourself into their position, lets say you know spanish but its far from perfect and then you have to go live on spanish tv with spanish journalist asking you live questions, bet you'd rather speak english.
I worked in an insurance company and even if all have learned English as second language - and about all of them had the German Abitur (the permission to go to German university - we have a school system that divides into 3 sectors after elementary school) where they learned atleast 2 languages - whenever we got an English caller on the other side of the phone they did not try to answer but connected the caller to me. A lot can read English very well but are unsure when it is about talking, are afraid to speak and make mistakes. There is really a big difference between being immersed into the language and theoretically to just being able to understand it.
The northern European countries do not even translate English films into their own language but show them with undertitles. I think it is the same with the Netherlands. Austria speaks German - and with so many German speaking people about every film is translated.
I was unsure on which level Sabitzer is in his English. What I could find out is that he does not have a higher education but just went to the "necessary" schools before starting his career. But he for sure had some years of English in school, needed English before in international dressing rooms like the one in Leipzig and is travelling around a lot like most professionals. So English for sure is not a problem for him.
He won’t play for a while.
Sincerely,
Brexit
Sincerely,
Brexit
Not at all. The point I made is that simply by existing, a very big part of the world never have any reason to learn the language to begin with.
I'm glad he's only on loan. We needed an extra midfielder for sure and he seems to be able to fit into a few positions.
Good pick to get us to the end of the season.
Good pick to get us to the end of the season.
He’d of been training with Bayern though? Only training session he missed was obviously deadline day as he wanted to move. Weghorst came straight into the 11. I expect to see sabitzer play some part against palace.
I could be totally wrong but my gut instinct says this happened because of ETH's reputation in Europe. I have the feeling that he has so many solid contacts in world football that when he calls people answer and are willing to help him.
He looks to be a great addition to our midfield.
He looks to be a great addition to our midfield.
I don't think that he is the one calling, that's Murtough and Fletcher. I would say that ETH's influence here is that United look like a team and it's easier for players and agents to convince themselves that United is the right place.
So when can he play? Is it going to be another situation like with Varane? I hope he can start against Palace.
No point in rushing, Fred will do fine for a game or two. He has to get used to the training methods etc.
We shouldn’t hang about. I like Fred and he may be fine tonight (because we don’t need to win) but we play in a completely different way when he is one of the midfield two. We need to get Sabitzer in for Palace if he is fit.
And he'll need to have a visa presumably
Ten Hag's playing days are long behind him, and he was a centre back anyway.
I would be surprised if he is eased in too slowly. We have a lot of games coming up and the danger of losing ground in the league is high and the step down from Eriksen to McFred is quite large unless Fred really steps up. He also can't have 2-3 weeks to get his fitness up because that will be far too large a portion of the loan wasted.
He might play a bit part in a few games but then he should be starting most games.
He might play a bit part in a few games but then he should be starting most games.
This probably happened because ETH used to be a coach at Bayern and knows the people
That's why he was a centre back or stopped playing?
Edit (before this takes too long): I was just kidding about @gerdm07 switching the subject of 'he/him' to Sabitzer in the last line without mentioning the player's name. It therefore looked like the post was still talking about Ten Hag.
Case came in probably without proper pre-season. THus he needed time. But, just like Weghorst, Sabitzer is coming mid-season with games in belt already.
Also, I want to see him play. Have a very good feeling on this loan.
And why should he? The season is well underway, Sabitzer was training, was a part of a very strong team (so training and coaching were high level), had some playing time (even if not too much) - there are no reasons for him not to be fit and thus able to play.
He's played about 45 seconds in the last 2 and half month
Darn. Didn't know that. Yeah, he needs some adjustment then.
This, I think players from other teams notice how much players seem to enjoy playing for ETH and it makes them more willing to come than in previous seasons...a huge benefit.
I watched a couple of highlight video compilations on Sabitzer and I was surprised how small he was. I guess because he's Austrian / German I was expecting him to be a big lad.
Sure thing and this also means Bayern do rate him or/and still have him in their plan imo. If they don't there's usually an option to buy.