Why are you so desperate to define my fandom and have me think the same way as you? It's weird. Please note, I am not condemning anyone who will continue to be a fan of the club no matter the ownership. Just simply stating that for me, it might be the end of the road.
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They can wish for that all they want but they're not going to find a minority investor that play second fiddle to their universally despised and objectively incompetent ownership. There's a reason they tried to secure minority investors last year and failed.
They’ve not finished with the cash cow yet
He probably is but wishing the club you support never wins anything just because it was bought by someone you don't like is way over the top and weird. Even if Darth Vader himself becomes the owner, I wouldn't wish United to not win anything because Manchester United is not, never was and never will be defined by who owned the club at some point or another. I would like to hear the opinion of those people, would they be okay with Qataris/any other oil state becoming our shirt/training centre sponsor or having let's say a 20% stake at the club? Because that is inevitable sooner or later. Would the "blood money" be acceptable in that situation as long as they are not the owners?
Don’t know where to begin with that one really.
Exactly.
The point here is that, as a supporter, we grew up watching United because of how they played football and what they stood for in the football sense. What mattered, loosely, what happened on a Saturday at 3pm. Of course, the Munich disaster brought in a lot of fans from all over the world. But it was the spirit of the club, and who worked at the club brought everyone together.
Where do we start and stop with owners? SJR pollutes the world and brings his share of bad publicity. The ME people do, too. But to stop supporting the club? Not me. People who do, fair enough to them.
If you read the piece in question, all it entails is opinions of two people. And the first opinion is of Chris Woerts who thinks a potential Qatari takeover will lead to Erik ten Hag being sacked because the Qataris prefer Spanish coaches and he points to City and their Spanish coaches as a example. Qatari ownership at PSG proves that theory wrong
Second opinion is of Rene van der Gijp, who disagrees and says they won't sack ten Hag because he's doing well and the fans/players love him.
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I guess they will look at Dubai as a model to transition away from oil money at the right time, and invest the billions they've got into businesses that will help them do that.
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Are they that incompetent as owners though? Yes, if you define that as success on-field. However year after year they have been taking money to basically bankroll all of their other projects and assets. The only reason they are in this situation now is because they cant or wont offset the funds to either renovate or rebuild OT. They will have charts and info to show off which could show that anybody getting into bed with them will in fact eventually see a return, and quickly too if that stadium is brought into 2023 and (as we hope and expect) Erik Ten Hag starts bringing trophies in.
Does the success on field go hand in hand with the money we are making? Thats where we can debate. They've still been taking out millions every year despite the fact we've won one Europa, one League Cup and one FA cup in a decade. We make money regardless. Thats what worries me about investors.
Err…you do know the story behind the Glazer takeover, right?
Just feck off. Money grabbing rats. So done with them
Whoever buys into that idea will end up feeling sick as well.
Everyone's got some sort of cut off point. Not one person gives a shite about Nike and the likes or trillion dollar Apple and their suicide/sweat shops but ME oil money? Anyway, I hate the Gulf nations but I couldn't walk away from United.
Correct. I've been dying for some silverware for 5 years even with the risk that in all likelihood it would help to keep the Glazers in.
Brinkmanship /putting pressure on the interested parties to pay more.
Not kindness at all.
Seems legit. Out of the kindness of their hearts.
Like the Glazers, the vast return on any investment INEOS make in Manchester United will come from capital appreciation. Unlike the Glazers, the money they could take from the club is already absolutely dwarved by their annual income. Their financial interest is in the value of the club increasing, not in taking a relatively small amount of money out of the club and hindering that growth.
It has been estimated that United are culmulatively under £2 billion worse off as a result of the Glazers ownership. Meanwhile INEOS generates $65 billion annually. That puts into context the minimal value in the relative pittance they could take from United on an ongoing basis.
espn coming with their contrarian takes, yet have proven they have no clue time and time again
They are shit and they have gone backwards in a shitty league where they can be behind PSG.
This makes me sick but I don't believe anyone will fall for that. Qatar don't want to deal with these rats and neither anyone sane would want them running the club, nor is there anything to gain from a minority investment.
Green energy isn’t even close to a viable option to power and support modern society. Fossil fuels are not going away.
Bit harsh, I quite like the man.
Yep pretty much. United are in such a weird position, it's 6 billion for the world biggest club that hasn't won in league title in a decade and the stadium is full of rats and rust.
So now you are assuming any rich person from the ME is some dirty businessman but SJR and GS are good people
.I very much doubt they'll be sticking around. It's likely just a bit of posturing to get a bit more money out of interested parties.
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If it’s split then the sale will go through. I’d say the want away Glazers will simply sell up and leave the club, and the rats, without any investment for the club at all.
If it is split then who sells the shares for the investment? I can’t make sense of it.
No, a rich person in Qatar.So now you are assuming any rich person from the ME is some dirty businessman but SJR and GS are good people
Anyone who is getting bothered by the minority sale reports, how do you think it will work? Does anyone genuinely believe that Glazers will sell off a percentage of their shares and invest that amount in the club? Are people genuinely that gullible?
The other alternative is for the Glazers to sell some asset like future TV revenue and that will cause massive widespread protests by the fans. Doubt they can even consider going down this route.
Basically selling is their only option to come out of this mess they have created.
The other alternative is for the Glazers to sell some asset like future TV revenue and that will cause massive widespread protests by the fans. Doubt they can even consider going down this route.
Basically selling is their only option to come out of this mess they have created.
Wow, in a thread of purer-than-thou over-polarised nonsense, this actually takes the cake.
Time to mount on the pressure then. On my way to write some mean reviews.
Radcliffe would
Ridiculous, oil is going nowhere, ever.
Great explanation.
What is their revenue? What is it in relation to the rest of the league? How much do they spend on wages and transfers? How does that compare to the rest of the league? Taking all that into account, where do they rank on squad value and revenue vs their position in the league table?
Success isn't only measured in trophies. Success, being run well is best measured by simply doing more than the others who are in a similar position financially. If you are 10th in revenue, 10th in net spend, but 7th in the league and stable for example. You are doing well. If you are top in revenue and top in spend but 3rd in the league, you are doing poorly. That's it. A club being shit vs top of the league football measures is an entirely irrelevant comparison, if they are mid table in terms of revenue and spend.
Wrong mate, 90% of cars are going to be electric by 2030. Because they are already more cost effective.
I‘m getting paid by the power company.
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Goldman Sachs one of the dirtiest financial origination in the history. They are basically 10 times worse than Qatari state.
As that journo on Sky said last night, what is been put out there right now by most of the media probably bares no resemblance to what is actually happening.
It's been said multiple times but no one is going to team up with the Glazers whilst holding a minority stake.
The only scenario they don't go is that the bids are too low for their greedy grubby little brains to accept, in which case all hell is going to break loose for them, and they know it.
It's been said multiple times but no one is going to team up with the Glazers whilst holding a minority stake.
The only scenario they don't go is that the bids are too low for their greedy grubby little brains to accept, in which case all hell is going to break loose for them, and they know it.
They were also the ones empowering Woodward and making jointly terrible decisions. The Glazers who don't care about the football side might ironically be the better side of the ownership.
You do know whose investing all the money into green energy and creating the whole industry
Oil.
I think a minority investment is the best outcome.
A full sale will inevitably mean disruption. The team Ten Hag currently works with will be largely disbanded and it'll take a while for the new set up to be constructed. And when it is, there'll be no guarantees it'll be compatible with Ten Hag and his way of working.
I would like to see the existing structures (with incremental improvements) working with Ten Hag for a few years. So in my eyes, a minority investment (which will allow us to begin facility upgrade plans) leading to a full sale in 3/4 years would be perfect.
A full sale will inevitably mean disruption. The team Ten Hag currently works with will be largely disbanded and it'll take a while for the new set up to be constructed. And when it is, there'll be no guarantees it'll be compatible with Ten Hag and his way of working.
I would like to see the existing structures (with incremental improvements) working with Ten Hag for a few years. So in my eyes, a minority investment (which will allow us to begin facility upgrade plans) leading to a full sale in 3/4 years would be perfect.
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