Club Sale | It’s done!

[cyberman]

Tuchel probably thought the same! Most new owners don't want to rock the boat though. As long as Ten Hag and new owners get along then he'll be safe for now.

The big worry with any new owner is that they have their own vision of how to go about things that contradicts the manager/philosophy of a club. If we go down the PSG (and woodward) route of buying whatever name is hot right now then Ten Hag isn't hanging around to audition as ringmaster for our new circus.

I would argue buying names isn’t the problem, football has evolved into this strange phenomenon of teams becoming more about the unit than the individual player. 15/20 years ago you go out out and buy the Zidane etc but football wasn’t as unified in what style to play than it is right now. You’d be buying different players from different styles.
I can’t even think of many big names anymore. Mbappe is the go to and that would be a problem with the players we have on the left already but is it simply Bellingham, Kane and Osheim? We’re literally linked with them anyway and I guarantee Ten Hag would get 2/3 if he could.
I also think we’re at a stage now where we have the base to sprinkle a bit of star dust on the team, to bring in that name to add the quality and personality the team needs. Maybe it’s a problem 10 years down the line

 

[Bert_]

Did Manchester United represent GB or the King in the early 1900s when they were colonizing the world and were causing Jallianwala Bagh massacre acts aplenty simply because the club is in GB?

If the King (or the crown estates) or the british government (or UK soverign wealth fund) owned us at any time then you would have a point. You don't.

 

[Tiber]

This thread is wild. Private Indian schools v the BBC. The merits of the Catholic Church. Covers all the key points of Uniteds sale

 

[Alonzo]

Everyone has an opinion and can follow the club however they like. I don't get why some people don't understand this.

I don't want them taking over and will simply take a break from football once the season is over. Couldn't care less what others do, we're all adults and can make our own choices.

a good position to take.

I guess I’m more disappointed in the reaction. I’d like to think those blindly supporting it would reckon with themselves about what it means - they’re turning a blind eye to atrocities, and happily becoming a thing they have criticised city (and more recently Newcastle and psg) for. It’s not a moral high horse - if you don’t consider the wider ramifications outside of the football, to me, that is a lack of morality. Qatar is not thinking solely about the football with this sale, so why should you, i, or any fan? The fact that we don’t even need a state to own us to compete just makes it all the more shameful. We will be no better than city or any other club, we will face the same criticism. And worse human rights abuses will continue, we will be linked to that, and we will have idiots like the ones in this thread as a cheer squad for the perpetrators. Humiliating.

 

[DickDastardly]

No. Nothing to do with anything to do with religion. Just the potential owners of United and the laws they have in their land.

You sure about that? The no religion stuff?

Because their laws originate from their religion.
As do some of our own. (The Catholic, or in English case, the Kings religion)

By the way, some of the US states have a death penalty. How do you stand on that?

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

How will Qatari owners look at the whole pro LGBT campaign at the club I wonder.

They will not care frankly, just like most Muslims don't care. Do you think they will start lashing manutd fans on the streets or chopping the cocks off?

They will implement islamic laws in their own country where 95 percent people are of Muslim faith and don't indulge in homosexuality. Whatever people do in their own country, they won't have any opinion or not be bothered by that.

 

[Peterfeeter]

I'm baffled why if someone from Qatar buys the club, it now means the club is automatically anti gay, pro slave and every other backward issue their country has got.

According to some it just drops onto us now.


I mean these places invest into the UK constantly, and are encouraged to invest by the government of the UK, if we want to go the strawman route are they finished with the UK too and want to leave?

The argument is getting a bit extreme.


Would prefer Jim as he has way less baggage, but again the owners are such a unseen thing with supporting the club we love, I'm not sure why all of a sudden having Qatar owners means the club massively changed overnight.

Do you really believe that a fund buying us will be the same as us representing them? That logic goes over my head when companies buy other companies all the time and that is nothing but a business transaction, whether you like it or not it's a capitalist world.

Apart from buying Manchester United football team, what about if they also built a new stadium and included affordable housing or shelter for homeless. They can afford such largesse. Good pr. I would be happy withthat

 

[NK86]

If the King (or the crown estates) or the british government (or UK soverign wealth fund) owned us at any time then you would have a point. You don't.

If Qatar is absorbing United into their empire rather than simply acquire majority shares in that listed company, then you'd perhaps have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately you don't.

 

[Alonzo]

Yeah I have no gay friends, but i just moved to a new country I have literally no friends period. But as I said, if somebody is nice to me, a good person by heart and have things in common, who cares what religion or gender they like.

I’m just saying, you can be as open as you like, but if you told a gay person “i don’t personally mind, but when you die my god is going to judge you very harshly” .. well, i don’t think you’d have that person as a friend, to put it lightly.
Try this theoretically-ok, practically-laughable approach on an actual gay person. Let us know how it goes.

 

[Real Name]

You sure about that? The no religion stuff?

Because their laws originate from their religion.
As do some of our own. (The Catholic, or in English case, the Kings religion)

By the way, some of the US states have a death penalty. How do you stand on that?

Isnt UK a secular country?

 

[DickDastardly]

It's insane the anti catholic bigotry they gets a pass on the Caf

Bigotry?
Are you triggered by that? The little boys and Catholic priests stuff?

It's not like i made that up, there's millions of cases around the world.
Do we just not talk about it?

 

[cyberman]

it did?!,

The religion the poster follows is anti gay but he isn’t anti gay himself. If his religious teachings does follow though (they won’t)then it’s between God and the individual is how I read it.
What more can you ask of him? Unless simply being religious is a crime of nature?
He’s literally telling you he can separate himself from aspects of his religion that he doesn’t agree with.
It honestly reads as if one side of the conversation is close minded and it’s not the poster who is replying to you.
The gotcha moment simply wasn’t there

 

[Wumminator]

You sure about that? The no religion stuff?

Because their laws originate from their religion.
As do some of our own. (The Catholic, or in English case, the Kings religion)

By the way, some of the US states have a death penalty. How do you stand on that?

Yes. I am sure.
I am against the death penalty. What the hell has that got to do with anything?

 

[Mickeza]

Qatar buying United doesn't mean United suddenly takes on all of Qatar's regressive social values.

This isn’t the thread for that sort of logic. You’re either walking away but not before telling everyone you’re walking away over and over again or you hate homosexuals. No inbetween. It’s impossible to disassociate the club and the owners - turns out you can’t love United and hate Glazers after all - they are the club. Who knew?

 

[flameinthesun]

Another aspect of this would be that the united fans would have the opportunity to try and influence positive change regarding LGBT issues in Qatar through the form of flags, signs in the crowd, stadium etc. When the united fans have wanted to get a message across in the stadium ala glazers out, green and gold etc they have been able to effectively do it. No reason why LGBTQ+ support from the fans cannot be arranged e.g. rainbow flags etc.

 

[Wumminator]

The religion the poster follows is anti gay but he isn’t anti gay himself. If his religious teachings does follow though (they won’t)then it’s between God and the individual is how I read it.
What more can you ask of him? Unless simply being religious is a crime of nature?
He’s literally telling you he can separate himself from aspects of his religion that he doesn’t agree with.
It honestly reads as if one side of the conversation is close minded and it’s not the poster who is replying to you.
The gotcha moment simply wasn’t there

He literally said he was against homosexuality.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

Issues in Qatar have been highlighted more since their sportswashing projects.

Exactly, inevitably forcing them to change their much-criticized laws in the future. Same with UAE after they established themselves as an international tourism and financial hub. Even KSA might change also, albeit much more slowly I guess.

 

[DickDastardly]

Yes. I am sure.
I am against the death penalty. What the hell has that got to do with anything?

Well, what the hell does homosexuality and the laws in Quatar have to do with Manchester United?

If we get a new owner from a US state that executes 20 people per year, does that mean that Manchester United and their fans are murders?

 

[Wumminator]

Well, what the hell does homosexuality and the laws in Quatar have to do with Manchester United?

If we get a new owner from a US state that executes 20 people per year, does that mean that Manchester United and their fans are murders?

I don’t know how hard this is to grasp.
The Glazers are not the American government.

 

[Real Name]

They will not care frankly, just like most Muslims don't care. Do you think they will start lashing manutd fans on the streets or chopping the cocks off?

They will implement islamic laws in their own country where 95 percent people are of Muslim faith and don't indulge in homosexuality. Whatever people do in their own country, they won't have any opinion or not be bothered by that.

I didnt mean it will be that harsh tbh.
Just that they might stop the campaign.
As for 95 percent not indulging in homosexuality, I assure you that percent is smaller, it's just they need to be in hiding but that's another theme for another thread. This one is already taking another crazy course I see.

 

[cyberman]

He literally said he was against homosexuality.

He literally says the opposite.
Go read it again
You owe him an apology imo

 

[Bert_]

If Qatar is absorbing United into their empire rather than simply acquire majority shares in that listed company, then you'd perhaps have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately you don't.

Not heard about qatars empire. Nor do I understand how they would absorb a football club into it. Dont recall united ever being absorbed I to the british empire either.

I assume that if the British government bought majority shares in united you'd be perfectly fine with it though?

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

I’m just saying, you can be as open as you like, but if you told a gay person “i don’t personally mind, but when you die my god is going to judge you very harshly” .. well, i don’t think you’d have that person as a friend, to put it lightly.
Try this theoretically-ok, practically-laughable approach on an actual gay person. Let us know how it goes.

Well why would I be talking about religion from a friend who is from another faith?

I would not want to hurt his feelings or sentiments.

And I am nobody to judge whether he is right or wrong. If he is wrong God will judge him accordingly, it should have no bearing on my friendship or relationship with him as a person/human being.

 

[Wumminator]

He literally says the opposite.
Go read it again
You owe him an apology imo

He said he is against homosexuality but not homosexuals?

Is that… okay with you?

 

[cyberman]

He said he is against homosexuality but not homosexuals?

Is that… okay with you?

I follow my religion which is against homosexuality, but I am not against homosexuals. I believe people can do whatever they want and like. I will hang out with those people be friends with them. Eventually if there are wrong they will judged by God itself on the day of judgement.

Where? Honestly what are you seeing here?

 

[Wumminator]

Where? Honestly what are you seeing here?

The… first line?

 

[Real Name]

He said he is against homosexuality but not homosexuals?

Is that… okay with you?

His words were: "I follow my religion which is against homosexuality, but I am not against homosexuals."

 

[Erik the Red]

Anyone but musk. Going from one bunch of clueless Americans to another would be too much for me to take.

You'd rather Arabs who breach ffp and potentially get our club relegated, suspended, etc.? Stop being racist and be careful what you wish for...

 

[cyberman]

The… first line?

The part which says his religion is against homosexuality but he isn’t?
That first line?

 

[Infra-red]

Another aspect of this would be that the united fans would have the opportunity to try and influence positive change regarding LGBT issues in Qatar through the form of flags, signs in the crowd, stadium etc. When the united fans have wanted to get a message across in the stadium ala glazers out, green and gold etc they have been able to effectively do it. No reason why LGBTQ+ support from the fans cannot be arranged e.g. rainbow flags etc.

Unless they ban them from OT like they did from world cup stadia...

 

[NK86]

The moral brigade lashing out at other posters who do not conform with their ideas of what's right and basically bringing their religious beliefs into question. Hope the irony is not lost on them when they say Qatar are intolerant.

 

[DickDastardly]

I don’t know how hard this is to grasp.
The Glazers are not the American government.

Ok. I get it.

Isn't some qatar fund buying us?
Owned by the emir of qatar, who is basically the government, but still not the government itself?

It's semantics, but i could close an eye for that connection to make the differentiation from the Qatar government itself.

 

[Real Name]

You'd rather Arabs who breach ffp and potentially get our club relegated, suspended, etc.? Stop being racist and be careful what you wish for...

Brands Arabs with breaching ffp.

Accuses another poster of racism.

Sounds legit.

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

I didnt mean it will be that harsh tbh.
Just that they might stop the campaign.
As for 95 percent not indulging in homosexuality, I assure you that percent is smaller, it's just they need to be in hiding but that's another theme for another thread. This one is already taking another crazy course I see.

I don't think they will, but who knows. And yes I agree that last few pages, people are actively trying to entice you to say things and prove you wrong just to suit their tunnel vision.

 

[brian017]

You'd rather Arabs who breach ffp and potentially get our club relegated, suspended, etc.? Stop being racist and be careful what you wish for...

Eh?? I think you should re-read that and practice what you preach

 

[BarstoolProphet]

Unless they ban them from OT like they did from world cup stadia...

OT is in UK, not Qatar. They couldn't do that even if they wanted to.

 

[NK86]

Unless they ban them from OT like they did from world cup stadia...

Have they done something similar in PSG? What they do in their country does not automatically equate to them doing it in UK.

Not heard about qatars empire. Nor do I understand how they would absorb a football club into it. Dont recall united ever being absorbed I to the british empire either.

I assume that if the British government bought majority shares in united you'd be perfectly fine with it though?

I would be perfectly fine with whoever buys majority shares in Manchester United as long as they want to bring the club back to the top of the football pyramid. I can differentiate between what the owner of a club I support stands for vs what my beliefs are.

Unless the club itself starts a campaign against LGBTQ community or starts beheading people, I will continue supporting the club.

 

[M4YON]

Can anyone spot the Islamophobic in this thread...

Are the moderators taking a day off from this thread? because it has gone WAY off track and WAY overboard too.

 

[Wumminator]

The part which says his religion is against homosexuality but he isn’t?
That first line?

he doesn’t say that.

he says he is not against individuals but due to his religion believes the nature of it is wrong. He then implies they will be punished in the afterlife.

 

[Crimson King]

I learnt history in the uk both in an english school and a private indian school aswell as then abroad! Ive learnt it from a whole different level to you who only learnt it from the english led education system that has an british ministry propaganda built structure just as much as the bbc!
You probably think the pure Aryan people philosophy was built by germany right?

Great Britain literally created Racism by creating a Race Science.

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/22475

“In the nineteenth century, however, an emergent biological “race science” attacked the authority of the Orientalists. The spectacle of a dark-skinned people who were evidently civilized challenged Victorian ideas, and race science responded to the enigma of India by redefining the Aryan concept in narrowly “white” racial terms.“

At the time it was Great Britain’s your peaceful country that was killing people in Native America continent, all of Africa, all of the Indian Countries, All of the Australian subcontinent, all of the oriental subcontinent, The Irish and all their anti war Songs against England when they caused a death by literally causing an organized potato famine - and then made to look like Germany was the only bad guy.

Get off my back son. I was born in England and can see history in a bigger version than you. Low Historian IQ.

Stick to your Aryan Monastery of the pure Great British Kings and Queens

Literally turned Ireland to a Potato only country - to For who? Great Britain.

Turned the whole of the Indian Countries to do what? Sell and use Spices for who? Great Britain.

Invaded Australia and literally wiped the original Australian’s ethnicity away from this earth why? So Britain could create a prison system where all there prisoners gets put in Australia.

Literally turned and used the whole of Africa in to their slave system. The whole of bloody Africa.

Wiped away the Native American culture/ethnicity from their subcontinent!

How can you be so so so so deluded!

You wonder why English is the most spoken language in the world? Because they literally ruled all over the world and all the benefit these countries got was the bloody education system of Great Britain! You wonder why English Universities are the highest rated in the world You wonder why now England has arguably is one of the most multiracial countries in the world? Because they literally owned these countries and people by invading them in the first place.

The Education system then also has a built up propaganda of a history that has influenced people like you.

Your just a Fred on the pitch when it comes to this. You know absolutely crap all.

Stick to BBC and sing about your queen or king everyday.

Feel better now mate, after your little tirade? You could have just written 'colonialism was bad' and saved yourself a little time.

Firstly, you know feck all about me, so how dare you accuse me of being a fan of the monarchy. As a man of both Irish and Scottish heritage I find that deeply insulting.

Secondly, I studied history at one of those highly rated universities and had to write many a paper on the history that isn't taught in the primary and secondary education system in this country, mostly by lecturers from countries that had once been part of the British empire, and weren't exactly fans. So, nothing you've just ranted about is the slam or burn that you expected it to be. Sorry to burst your bubble.

In fact, part of that education was actually studying history as an idea, and learning to understand how it's constantly changing as the lens through which you view it changes. The idea being to understand that there is no one pure truth of any historical event, and you need to understand every viewpoint and draw your own conclusions from those, including every event that led up to it, without being influenced by your own bias or those others. If you must know, I didn't do too badly, despite my 'low IQ'.

So, if I'm a 'Fred' and know 'absolutely crap all', then that probably really makes you a Bebe. At least you're good at choosing usernames though, eh?

Not that it matters anymore, but my original qualm with your post was the complete whataboutery of it all. Simply put, just for you Bebe, is that I disagree with the notion that if group A's ancestors did bad shit in the past, then we should overlook the bad shit that group B are doing right this moment. Does that make sense?

This has probably been a waste of time to write, because judging by the tone of your rant it feels like you have a massive chip on your shoulder that has more to do with your own racist sentiments, or just a general xenophobia towards the English. Nothing I say will change that, but it's unfair of you to aim that at other people on this football forum.

The ownership question has nothing to do with skin colour or religion for most of us. Not wanting an authoritarian state to own your club is a legitimate concern. It's perfectly fine to think that, whilst also living in modern day UK under a pro-monarchy/establishment Tory govt. I would change those things if I could, but I can't.

Anyway, maybe go outside, get some fresh air, and stay off the internet for a few days until the hate in you has seeped out a bit.