I can. Regimes governing by the word of religious book from few thousands years ago doesnt go well.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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Some of their laws are obviously ancient and have no place in a "2023", "civilised" or a "modern" world, I completely agree. However not doing any business with them and excluding them from international community like some people here suggest will not improve the situation there at all. Even though there is still quite a long way to go, Qatar's neighbour UAE is slowly changing for the better, why can't Qatar do the same? Maybe those are the countries that will start a meaningful change for the entire ME region? Things will not change overnight and they will likely never be "like the west" but I can't really blame them not wanting to be like us because I think it's quite clear we went way too far in some areas.
I follow my religion which is against homosexuality, but I am not against homosexuals. I believe people can do whatever they want and like. I will hang out with those people be friends with them. Eventually if there are wrong they will judged by God itself on the day of judgement.
The people who are against the Qataris taking over, what is your end goal with your viewpoints in the Cafe? Genuine question.
Right, I was just making sure that everyone can see the person who is sticking up for the potential ownership the most over the last few pages is “against homosexuality” and thinks they might be judged by God on the day of judgement. It’s important that people understand that when they read this thread.
Then United won't represent Qatar or their laws/issues anymore than you will represent any atrocities which have been carried out by your country. People are bending over backwards to somehow make it seem that Qatar buying majority shares in our club is more than any business transaction.
Let me put it this way. If Ineos were to buy us, we won't suddenly be known to represent the environmental damage they have done so far or are doing right now.
Yeah that's what I meant, the 1st part.
Agree about the 2nd part too. I'm not at all suggesting excluding them from international community. I'd have a bad feeling in my throat to say the least if Qatar buys the club though, that's for sure.
The wealth fund that might purchase united would belong to the state. The queen didn’t own united. What a bizarre comparison.
tell me you have no gay friends without saying you have no gay friends, fahad jawaid will go first
I'm baffled why if someone from Qatar buys the club, it now means the club is automatically anti gay, pro slave and every other backward issue their country has got.
According to some it just drops onto us now.
I mean these places invest into the UK constantly, and are encouraged to invest by the government of the UK, if we want to go the strawman route are they finished with the UK too and want to leave?
The argument is getting a bit extreme.
Would prefer Jim as he has way less baggage, but again the owners are such a unseen thing with supporting the club we love, I'm not sure why all of a sudden having Qatar owners means the club massively changed overnight.
Actually as I said several posts before aswell, it's not the regime, it's follow by all Muslims throughout the world not by Qatar itself because it's from Qur'an which is the holy book. Some countries within the middle east close their eyes just to remain cosy to west and don't enforce islamic laws. While others they do. Maybe in future Qatar does not enforce it aswell.
Sush, if you’re able to live with the takeover then you’d like to see homosexuals hung, draw and quartered.
There’s an in between of having a rational discussion about this as a fanbase and there’s what’s happening in this thread
Some people argue in here that it wont be like City because they’ve bent the rules and the new FFP rules are different but you need to look no further than the EU Parlament to find examples of Qatar bribing members. Of course what happens to city now can happen to us too.
it would be nice to see the governing body regarding the take over take the EU scandal into account and not allow any sorts of owners like this. But then again the Qashoggi incident happened with Saudi Arabia and they were still able to take over Newcastle.
it would be nice to see the governing body regarding the take over take the EU scandal into account and not allow any sorts of owners like this. But then again the Qashoggi incident happened with Saudi Arabia and they were still able to take over Newcastle.
And when they try to buy United this point will be relevant
Everyone has an opinion and can follow the club however they like. I don't get why some people don't understand this.
I don't want them taking over and will simply take a break from football once the season is over. Couldn't care less what others do, we're all adults and can make our own choices.
Do you really believe that a fund buying us will be the same as us representing them? That logic goes over my head when companies buy other companies all the time and that is nothing but a business transaction, whether you like it or not it's a capitalist world.
He was asked a question and he answered it (even though his opinion on homosexuality is totally irrelevant to subject). Stop trying to whip up outrage.
You're desperate for a gotcha aren't you. You can think I don't know the difference if it suits you. I know I do, I've been to Doha for a start. When I said since they were riding camels I meant literally before the invention of the motor car. I.e. their family has always dreamed of owning Manchester city. You thought I was calling them a bunch of camel riding savages and now you're all fired up. This is going really off topic now so if you want to still think that I leave it up to you.
FSG have been a successful owner. Good club development during their time, always provided funds for new players.
There is always an alternative to sports washing.
Not every private equity investor is the same as the Glazers
Yes. Obviously.
Fair enough.
So you're against your religion?
It's not just some random guy. It's the Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani. He literally holds the most powerful position in the country.
Yeah I have no gay friends, but i just moved to a new country I have literally no friends period. But as I said, if somebody is nice to me, a good person by heart and have things in common, who cares what religion or gender they like.
Is there a religion in the world that accepts homosexuality?
The Catholic church certainly doesn't approve, although they are fond to young boys.
I can see what you’re trying to do but his answer came across as more than fair?
Some salt in here, the top reds judging polls of fan channels too.
Why are you bringing the catholic church into this thread?
Very good post. Without excusing their laws and beliefs, I genuinely think those that scream boycott doesn't realize that it's no the way to go to improve the situation in those countries.
Tuchel probably thought the same! Most new owners don't want to rock the boat though. As long as Ten Hag and new owners get along then he'll be safe for now.
The big worry with any new owner is that they have their own vision of how to go about things that contradicts the manager/philosophy of a club. If we go down the PSG (and woodward) route of buying whatever name is hot right now then Ten Hag isn't hanging around to audition as ringmaster for our new circus.
How will Qatari owners look at the whole pro LGBT campaign at the club I wonder.
it did?!,
Yeah, thought the same.
Why is everybody bringing homosexuality into this thread?
Because of the muslim rule in Quatar right?
So, basically, we're talking religion here?
The religion prohibits me from being a homosexual not to interact or be friends with them. The religion never forbids you to become friends or interact with people from different faith.So you're against your religion?
No. Nothing to do with anything to do with religion. Just the potential owners of United and the laws they have in their land.
Tuchel is famously known for being hard to "control" though, don't see the similarities with EtH at all. The Qataris would also not be stupid enough to not gauge the atmosphere within the fanbase if they are to take over. Getting rid of Ten Hag would cause way more ruckus than the ownership itself.
Issues in Qatar have been highlighted more since their sportswashing projects.
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