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That doesn’t mean they weren’t though
Maybe they were but they were widely derided at OT as fair weather fans who bottled it as soon as it got a bit shit with the Yanks taking over. The Green and Gold days were some of the best times at OT in terms of atmosphere and bringing people together, some people preferred to just give up instead and go watch non league.
 

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They haven' said jack shit about the current debt being paid off, I'm weary of that. And although INEOS would burden the loan, it doesn't mean United won't be paying it. How are INEOS shareholders going to feel about a £5b loan at their expense?
Exactly this.
INEOS shareholders and Board would never allow a £5billion loan to be paid off from profits of the existing business. They will be assured that the interest payments would be met by the profits of the new company they were buying.
IE us. IE back to square 1
 

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We want the fans who will be with club thick and thin.

If the "hard-core" fans don't like the takeover, they should unite and protest against them. Make sure the Qataris don't get the club.
In all honesty, I think I'd rather sit next to a Qatari that's travelled for days to get to OT than someone who's going to define what a 'hardcore' fan is or isn't. This isn't an exclusive club for 'real' fans only.
 

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And that sums up the point where football has reached today. Fans, tradition, history and values can watch from the sidelines as despotic regimes fight with other billionaires for ownership and control of something neither of them are worthy to possess.
I've got to say I've never encountered anyone, online or in real life, who watches top level football and sits there every game just thinking about who owns the club. Whatever romantic values you have of football, it's a global game and it's entertainment, every form of entertainment today involves massive amounts of money
 

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I'm not able to be passionate about things I don't admire. And I don't admire sportswashing projects, in fact I despise them. That's what the acquisition by Qatar would change.
That's fine, you can choose to stop supporting the club in that case. It doesn't mean others are obligated to
 

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Stick with club no matter what. That's a nonsensical position to have as it suggests the football team is more important then anything, ever.
 

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Exactly this.
INEOS shareholders and Board would never allow a £5billion loan to be paid off from profits of the existing business. They will be assured that the interest payments would be met by the profits of the new company they were buying.
IE us. IE back to square 1
INEOS "shareholders and board" is literally Jim and his buddies Andy and John.
 

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Spot on mate, I really feel like some posters are like those really pushy Jehovah's witnesses trying to force their views on to you, and then are outraged when you don't give in.
For the the record I have zero issue with people who will stop supporting us due to their principles. I admire it. I don’t admire people who make out that’s the only way and they’re a better human than everyone else for doing so and we should all now go support Liverpool.
 

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Liverpool and Arsenal are the only big clubs left without sugar daddies. It won't stay that way for long.
I don't know, once the top 4 is occupied with 4 big clubs with unlimited funds, buying a new club will be less attractive as a proposition, particularly if the ffp stuff sticks with city
 

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Was worried that nobody would be willing to pay 5B for the club so I’m absolutely delighted that Qatar could be the new owners

Today I’m feeling Qatari
 

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In all honesty, I think I'd rather sit next to a Qatari that's travelled for days to get to OT than someone who's going to define what a 'hardcore' fan is or isn't. This isn't an exclusive club for 'real' fans only.
I get people aren't happy. And I understand. I just don't understand what can be achieved by moaning on a forum?!
 

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People will just cope with it once the money starts flowing and they see the likes of Mbappe in United shirt.
 

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Personally I'm no fan of the assorted middle East despots, but I also don't like how they are allowed to have tea with the queen / King every other week and spend their gazillions over here without anyone batting an eyelid until it comes to owning a football club.

If they do buy utd and let it run as a standalone operation then I'll come to terms with that, if they make the club a centrepiece of whatever soft power project they are running, then I will lose interest very quickly.
 

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I get people aren't happy. And I understand. I just don't understand what can be achieved by moaning on a forum?!
It's not even moaning, it's naive moaning into the ether. I appreciate that everyone has different views but the 'holier than thou' routine is tiresome, and even doubly tiresome when there's doubled down moral outrage because you don't agree with them.

Today's extremists even told us to consider what the rival fan may think of us, and as we all know, as fans of Manchester United, our joys and disappointments revolve solely around what rivals fans think of us.
 

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Didn’t the Glazers have a pre existing business relationship with the Qataris?

I’ve seen pictures of their meetings and I’m sure they started some cricket team together…

Anyway, with that in mind why didn’t they negotiate directly rather than involve Raine?
 

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I get people aren't happy. And I understand. I just don't understand what can be achieved by moaning on a forum?!
Then what's the point of the whole forum? We don't choose the line-ups either, but yet we've been here for over a decade talking about the players.
 

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Personally I'm no fan of the assorted middle East despots, but I also don't like how they are allowed to have tea with the queen / King every other week and spend their gazillions over here without anyone batting an eyelid until it comes to owning a football club.

If they do buy utd and let it run as a standalone operation then I'll come to terms with that, if they make the club a centrepiece of whatever soft power project they are running, then I will lose interest very quickly.
Do they own anything here?
 

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For the the record I have zero issue with people who will stop supporting us due to their principles. I admire it. I don’t admire people who make out that’s the only way and they’re a better human than everyone else for doing so and we should all now go support Liverpool.
Oh yeh I'm exactly the same. I'm completely on the fence about the whole Qatar takeover, but some of the posts and takes by some in here is unreal. Just let people do what they want to do and quit the preaching.
 

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I don't know, once the top 4 is occupied with 4 big clubs with unlimited funds, buying a new club will be less attractive as a proposition, particularly if the ffp stuff sticks with city

Who would they all buy? The same players would be moving from to the other every couple of years.
 

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Personally I'm no fan of the assorted middle East despots, but I also don't like how they are allowed to have tea with the queen / King every other week and spend their gazillions over here without anyone batting an eyelid until it comes to owning a football club.

If they do buy utd and let it run as a standalone operation then I'll come to terms with that, if they make the club a centrepiece of whatever soft power project they are running, then I will lose interest very quickly.
Yes, this is the most level headed approach I've seen on here today and I think it sums most of us up and how we're feeling.
 

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Personally I'm no fan of the assorted middle East despots, but I also don't like how they are allowed to have tea with the queen / King every other week and spend their gazillions over here without anyone batting an eyelid until it comes to owning a football club.

If they do buy utd and let it run as a standalone operation then I'll come to terms with that, if they make the club a centrepiece of whatever soft power project they are running, then I will lose interest very quickly.
Like I said earlier, these places becoming culturally closer with us, is far more likely to improve progress in human rights, than buying oil and gas and selling them weapons but telling them they can't be involved in our culture. With bin salmon trying to prepare for a post oil world, women's rights have gotten better, not because of altruism but because it benefits him
 

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Yes he can. Does it not bother you were gonna lose a large part of our hardcore fanbase,
I'm sorry about that. It is a bit sad, that part, but I wonder just how big a United supporter they are. They seem to me to be promoting or projecting themselves a wee bit rather than saying, "at the end of the day the club have made a decision, we'll stick by them." It's more about them than us.

— Sir Alex Ferguson, The Official Manchester United Diary of the Season (2006)
 
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