Literally this. I was fuming watching the replay for the 3rd goal. He's got to do way better than that. It's a piss-take.
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It's bizarre because this is probably the one game you wouldn't use to make a case for replacing him but may have most activity because he's part of the unit that conceded seven to them, ugh
The other games have highlighted his deficiencies moreso.
With the seven goals, he didn't make huge mistakes. But the case made was always about superior shot stopping, and you defo make the argument a superior shot stopper saves a few (the third one being saved keeps it at 2-0...)
The other games have highlighted his deficiencies moreso.
With the seven goals, he didn't make huge mistakes. But the case made was always about superior shot stopping, and you defo make the argument a superior shot stopper saves a few (the third one being saved keeps it at 2-0...)
Some of the defending today is partially caused by De Gea's meek style of keeping.
First goal Martinez runs right across his line of sight not for the first time either, it's Martinez's mistake but there no way a commanding GK let's his defenders get away with it constantly.
Second goal dalot somehow ends up behind and deeper than De gea rather than marking the unmarked CF in the six yard box, again it's Dalots mistake but does a commanding GK allow that to happen? Again not the first time iv noticed such incidents with De Gea.
Third goal is very weak goalkeeping, to put it simply there is no way Gakpo should score from there.
Fourth and fifth game is gone by then anyway don't think there was a huge amount Dave could do. Although I do wonder weather the 5th is possibly saveable it comes of the side of Nunez's head and ends up fairly central De Gea just watches it and makes no effort.
6th goal scrambled clearance from the six yard box. Only happens because the defenders know De Gea isnt coming the dive on the loose ball like every other pro GK would same thing happened in the first half but we got away with it. Again a more commanding GK dosent let that happen.
7th goal again just weak keeping.
Martinez and Varane looked compleatly lost today and De Gea does absolutely nothing to help relive the pressure or try and organise the chaos or calm everyone down. I hope this isn't the start of the De Gea affect on them.
First goal Martinez runs right across his line of sight not for the first time either, it's Martinez's mistake but there no way a commanding GK let's his defenders get away with it constantly.
Second goal dalot somehow ends up behind and deeper than De gea rather than marking the unmarked CF in the six yard box, again it's Dalots mistake but does a commanding GK allow that to happen? Again not the first time iv noticed such incidents with De Gea.
Third goal is very weak goalkeeping, to put it simply there is no way Gakpo should score from there.
Fourth and fifth game is gone by then anyway don't think there was a huge amount Dave could do. Although I do wonder weather the 5th is possibly saveable it comes of the side of Nunez's head and ends up fairly central De Gea just watches it and makes no effort.
6th goal scrambled clearance from the six yard box. Only happens because the defenders know De Gea isnt coming the dive on the loose ball like every other pro GK would same thing happened in the first half but we got away with it. Again a more commanding GK dosent let that happen.
7th goal again just weak keeping.
Martinez and Varane looked compleatly lost today and De Gea does absolutely nothing to help relive the pressure or try and organise the chaos or calm everyone down. I hope this isn't the start of the De Gea affect on them.
Don’t think there’s much point nit-picking each and every goal but if we accept having keeper who is deficient in so many areas of goalkeeping, on the basis of his supposed fantastic shot stopping it’s pretty fecking bad to watch our team ship seven goals without him making a single save…
That’s the bottom line. And it’s exactly what happened when the team we played against today sorted out their issue in nets.
It’s amazing to me people continue to lie to themselves about it. It’s so obvious.
He’s been such a good servant and he’s actually having an ok season but no other PL team has a GK like him. Teams have all moved on.
There one incident in the second half after a bit of pinball or something and a ball came back to him at a fairly decent speed on the floor that he could have VERY easily just bent down and picked it up. Instead he booted it away, which of course went back to them and the pressure was sustained again.
How many times have I seen this happen...sigh.
No point going goal by goal.
Could have done better on a few.
Bigger issue for me today was his total lack of command of his box and back 4 and his kicking/passing aside from one good ball to Shaw in the first half was atrocious, it was just coming straight back down the pitch.
Could have done better on a few.
Bigger issue for me today was his total lack of command of his box and back 4 and his kicking/passing aside from one good ball to Shaw in the first half was atrocious, it was just coming straight back down the pitch.
It's a weird game from him today. I can't really say he was terrible but I just felt he seemed rooted to the spot for most of the shots at his goal. At one point I wondered would it make a difference not having anyone in goal.
Think that's a bigger issue every game rather than today
The lack of command of his area is shocking for this level and he’s never been a top distributor.
If we replace well with elements we miss and need, we won’t even notice those 3-4 goals De Gea saves that others don’t because the level of play will go up, several levels.
If we replace well with elements we miss and need, we won’t even notice those 3-4 goals De Gea saves that others don’t because the level of play will go up, several levels.
Aye, it's been balatantly obvious for a long while. But, you know he makes these saves noone else is capable of making all the time. Best shot stopper in the world.......
Liverpool pressed just enough because they knew he'd give it back to them. Utd players didn't even bother pressing Allison because they knew they weren't getting it. That's the difference having a competent keeper on the ball can make. Really need a keeper that is commanding in the box and comfortable on the ball around the goal, for the 1 or 2 goals a season it would cough up, overall it would be worth many many more.
Games like today just highlight how important every other aspect of the goalkeepers job is, particularly having basic composure with the ball to feet. 250k a week for him is 250k a week too much.
Apart from when he nearly gave a penalty away from fecking up on the ball?
Cmon now. Alison nearly gifted Bruno a goal, passed one straight to dalot who fecked up the pass to rash or Bruno and there was a 3rd time he gave it to us in a dangerous area, all in 1 game
Aye, I'd take the odd one of them over every kickout being hoofed to the opposition under minimal pressure.
A week after gifting Madrid a goal too.Every second ball DDG kicked went to the opposition.
You don't see that as being a problem?
7 goals in 8 shots... Let that sync in
Well with De Gea you get both...
Also the issues around De Gea's distribution occur in the context of the rest of the team, which generally isn't that good at playing out from the back, progressing up the pitch under pressure and retaining possession.
ETH has tried to get around it this season by compromising and going long far more often than he'd ideally like, but he will be looking to change that as we go along. And that means upgrading some players.
And the issue for the De Gea is that once we get past the low hanging fruit that is a new RB and CM, the remaining players in our best eleven who aren't particularly good in that regard (namely Varane, Casemiro and Bruno) are all further down the list to be replaced than he is.
If you don't get to the point where you're replacing him in the team for someone who improves us in that regard, you're putting a ceiling on how much the team can improve. Because we'll still be carrying relative weaknesses in other positions too.
ETH has tried to get around it this season by compromising and going long far more often than he'd ideally like, but he will be looking to change that as we go along. And that means upgrading some players.
And the issue for the De Gea is that once we get past the low hanging fruit that is a new RB and CM, the remaining players in our best eleven who aren't particularly good in that regard (namely Varane, Casemiro and Bruno) are all further down the list to be replaced than he is.
If you don't get to the point where you're replacing him in the team for someone who improves us in that regard, you're putting a ceiling on how much the team can improve. Because we'll still be carrying relative weaknesses in other positions too.
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The De Gea defenders have spent all season telling us he’s this world class shot stopper who makes saves that no other keeper could possibly make, and that outweighs any deficiencies in his game, yet when he concedes 7 goals from 8 shots on target they say he couldn’t possibly be expected to save any of them? So which is it, is he a world class shot stopper or not? Make your mind up.
Agreed. I hope this puts to bed any talk of persisting with him next season.
Kinda shit even for an apology post. Not even a sorry to the fans.
Allisson was criminal in goal against us. He was an utter disaster and we should have had 4 goals from his mistakes alone. His distribution was comical in most of the first half.
De Gea could have and should have done more on at least 3 goals. But we lost this match all over the field. Especially Bruno needs to take a hard look at himself.
Allison 75% pass accuracy.
DDG 50% pass accuracy.
One conceded 7 the other 0.
Maybe one was luckier than the other.
One played a part in goals with his distribution, the other didn't.
Allison was sloppy once or twice, but he didn't just kick the ball to the opposition with almost every second pass.
Just look at how Utd were setting up for goalkicks in the first half. That'll tell you all you need to know about ETH's faith in De Gea's ability on the ball.
Will we have the money for a new striker, CM or 2 possibly a FB and on top of that a keeper?
I think you misunderstand my post mate, or actually I didnt make my point well. De Gea was shocking against Liverpool. But that wasnt the game to hail Allison as he was very very bad as well. I rate Allison much higher than Dave and he usually doesnt play like this. But he clearly had a off day. If Bruno and Antony where not so utterly extremely shite we should have had several goals of his mistakes.
I don’t know how he managed it, but on one of the goals, he actually made himself smaller when he came out side on with his hands by his side.
He was fecking shite yesterday and could and really should have saved at least half of those.
He was fecking shite yesterday and could and really should have saved at least half of those.
De Gea just doesn’t command his area like a strong modern keeper should do, I’ve actually noticed how shocking he’s been against Liverpool for a number of seasons now, as though he has a phobia to them.
Problem is, if a the team loses confidence in the keeper then you’re treading water.
Problem is, if a the team loses confidence in the keeper then you’re treading water.
He wasn’t much use in the penalty shootout against Villarreal in the Europa final, not one save in 7-8 attempts, not even close.
He had a couple of sloppy moments.
But most of the game he was comfortable on the ball. Utd pressed him once or twice, but overall they stood off him most of the time because it is a waste of time pressing him.
Exactly this. All this "we need a modern goalkeeper who can do stepovers and pass like prime Iniesta" is bollocks. We just need a big strong keeper who can claim a cross and command his area better. For all his improvements with his feet, has nobody ever told him to maybe come out of his 6 yard box once in a while to catch the ball? A lot of the goals we concede within the 6 yard box he's rooted to his line.
What get's me is I don't think he even dived for any of the 7 goals, I'm usually a DDG fan but he didn't even attempt to save a goal, felt like he had a bet that we would concede 7?
If we had someone like Vinicius or Benzema those moments would have cost them goals.
Not really, he’s part of the weakness right now. Its essential that a keeper comes off his line once in while, attempts to catch corners and above all, commands his area. For all his abilities, De Gea lacks confidence in so many ways.
No he doesn’t, and if you watch other games where we’ve conceded you’ll notice the same thing happening there.
Orange is talking about Allisson not De Gea.
But we don't and it didn't.
Losing a couple of balls around the box like that but keeping the ball 7/8 times out of 10. To me that is preferable to kicking it aimlessly down field and losing every second ball.
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