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Same with Maguire last season.Most people know we need to upgrade. Some just don't see it as more important than a striker cm and rb. At least most people anyway
Same with Maguire last season.Most people know we need to upgrade. Some just don't see it as more important than a striker cm and rb. At least most people anyway
The notion that he has not been criticized, while the defenders are is laughable. Only a Maguire supporter will say that.ouch!
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This is often underlooked. 10 years and he's never established himself as a true leader/captain despite us severely lacking leaders during large portions of that period. He had the performances to back the claim but his personality has never been that of a leader.his biggest problem is his personality - timidity, and I do think De Gea's timidity is infectious.
I don't know about being a leader but it's mad to me to see a goalkeeper who is so quiet on the pitch. At the very least he needs to be a vocal member of the defence. He's the only player who has a permanent view of every opponent and needs to be constantly organising the defenders in front of him. That's not necessarily being a leader for the team as a whole but it's very important. And I just don't see any evidence of that happening whenever I watch him play (most obvious on rare occasions when I'm actually at Old Trafford)This is often underlooked. 10 years and he's never established himself as a true leader/captain despite us severely lacking leaders during large portions of that period. He had the performances to back the claim but his personality has never been that of a leader.
It's not but it fits an agenda. Alisson was way worse a few weeks ago when Madrid put 5 past him yet not a peep from the usual suspects here despite Liverpool having a higher XG than Madrid in that game.xG this and xG that.
1st goal (Gakpo): xG: 0,07 - xGOT: 0,55
2nd goal (Nunez): xG: 0,48 - xGOT: 0,73
3rd goal (Gakpo): xG: 0,21 - xGOT: 0,96
4th goal (Salah): xG: 0,30 - xGOT: 0,27
5th goal (Nunez): xG: 0,14 - xGOT: 0,26
6th goal (Salah): xG: 0,32 - xGOT: 0,67
7th goal (Firmino): xG: 0,27 - xGOT: 0,45
If we believe that post-shot/xGOT-stuff then Gakpo's 3rd goal only gives him -0,04 and Nunez' crazy header gives him -0,74, how is that usable stats at all?
For me communication and leadership go hand in hand. You can't be one without the other.I don't know about being a leader but it's mad to me to see a goalkeeper who is so quiet on the pitch. At the very least he needs to be a vocal member of the defence. He's the only player who has a permanent view of every opponent and needs to be constantly organising the defenders in front of him. That's not necessarily being a leader for the team as a whole but it's very important. And I just don't see any evidence of that happening whenever I watch him play (most obvious on rare occasions when I'm actually at Old Trafford)
Well, Allison is currently the number 1 ranked shot stopper in Europe. So people are indeed more willing to give him a pass when he has the odd shit game.It's not but it fits an agenda. Alisson was way worse a few weeks ago when Madrid put 5 past him yet not a peep from the usual suspects here despite Liverpool having a higher XG than Madrid in that game.
Well he did let in 7. So ya know, he didn't do 80% of his job very well.I find it interesting yesterday was the game that made people realise or comment on him needing to be finally replaced.
Me, orange and jb7 have mentioned it after games he's been worse for us (but people over looked due to pulling of a save that was due to him). Think we also got a group nickname for this
This is why I keep saying criticising a weakness (and mentioning how the cons outweigh the pros) doesn't = agenda. That's been thrown around a lot recently in this thread (the biggest defence in his case seemed to be he makes saves others don't etc)
If arsenal win the title , ramsdale is yet another example of a manager coming in and getting a keeper he feels is more suitable to the style of play and thus benefiting
Pep replaced hart (and bravo)
Klopp replaced mignolet (and karius)
Arteta replaced Leno(and Martinez)
Replacing ddg with the right keeper will have huge benefits in lots of aspects
Literally cost them the tie.Well, Allison is currently the number 1 ranked shot stopper in Europe. So people are indeed more willing to give him a pass when he has the odd shit game.
I'm not sure what you mean? Maguire was horrendous and 99 percent of the people here wanted him replaced as a prioritySame with Maguire last season.
With the score is 0 for us, would you say Rashford didn't do 80% of his job very well?Well he did let in 7. So ya know, he didn't do 80% of his job very well.
Games like that just highlight how poor he is in other aspects, distribution especially. It was so easy for Liverpool to close down knowing he can't beat the press with a pass through the lines.
And yet most say he's still their player of the season so far. Guess they don't judge players on a single game.Literally cost them the tie.
Yeah being at fault for the second and fifth goals in a game that finished 5-2 is him costing them the tie.Literally cost them the tie.
And 90% of the time the past 5 years he's been the best goalkeeper in Europe. What's your point? Something is a problem if it happens regularly, if their average level is low. If their average level is elite and they drop the odd clanger... Well that's just normal.Literally cost them the tie.
Standard xG and xG on target is pretty irrelevant for a goalkeeper evaluation. Not really a great method, but the best is by far John Harrison on twitter who focuses entirely on goalkeepers and has his own models. But anyway, outside of that guys stuff, publicly available goalkeeper analytics is mostly irrelevant.xG this and xG that.
1st goal (Gakpo): xG: 0,07 - xGOT: 0,55
2nd goal (Nunez): xG: 0,48 - xGOT: 0,73
3rd goal (Gakpo): xG: 0,21 - xGOT: 0,96
4th goal (Salah): xG: 0,30 - xGOT: 0,27
5th goal (Nunez): xG: 0,14 - xGOT: 0,26
6th goal (Salah): xG: 0,32 - xGOT: 0,67
7th goal (Firmino): xG: 0,27 - xGOT: 0,45
If we believe that post-shot/xGOT-stuff then Gakpo's 3rd goal only gives him -0,04 and Nunez' crazy header gives him -0,74, how is that usable stats at all?
That 80% is joking reference to the poster who said 80% of the keepers job is to make saves. He didn't have a great day at the one bit of his job he's apparently the best in the world at.With the score is 0 for us, would you say Rashford didn't do 80% of his job very well?
They were up 2-1 before his mistake in the second goal and the team completely fell apart after. If they go 2-1 into the break who knows, they might still be in it.Yeah being at fault for the second and fifth goals in a game that finished 5-2 is him costing them the tie.
He was terrible for the first half of their 20/21 season, granted scored a crucial goal to get them into the top four later that year but let's not pretend hes been infallible since joining Liverpool and he gets far more leeway than our best player for the past decade. Like I said we should replace De Gea this summer but it's just hilarious how a Liverpool player gets more leeway than a United player in a United forum.And 90% of the time the past 5 years he's been the best goalkeeper in Europe. What's your point? Something is a problem if it happens regularly, if their average level is low. If their average level is elite and they drop the odd clanger... Well that's just normal.
Well this is all highly theoretical. They didn't concede in the 10 minutes before half time after his error, so it's reasonable to conclude they didn't fall apart solely because of a goalkeeping error.They were up 2-1 before his mistake in the second goal and the team completely fell apart after. If they go 2-1 into the break who knows, they might still be in it.
Joke of a tweet. Keepers, however good, will concede heavily if the team performs disastrously. He’s also totally carried us and saved us from midtable finishes in multiple seasons during his time here, where he was undoubtably one of the best keepers in the world, and they’ve included his whole career at United there.ouch!
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Interested why you say that? For xG on target anyway, not regular xG.Standard xG and xG on target is pretty irrelevant for a goalkeeper evaluation. Not really a great method, but the best is by far John Harrison on twitter who focuses entirely on goalkeepers and has his own models. But anyway, outside of that guys stuff, publicly available goalkeeper analytics is mostly irrelevant.
Yeah the Caf is just choc full of experts!It’s so amusing to see people continue to defend him. If you know ball you know he’s got to go.
Gakpo's goal yesterday a perfect example. XG on target basically just refers to placement of a shot within the frame of the goal... Doesn't usually take into account angle shooting from or speed of the shot or curl. All hard to quantify in a goalkeeper model. Gakpo for example chipped de Gea from a position that de Gea had no business conceding from. It landed in the far corner. Super high xG on target. In reality, de Gea should make himself bigger and save it before it goes all the way to the far post.Interested why you say that? For xG on target anyway, not regular xG.
I just never fancy him to keep the score down when those type of days happen and keep it from being embarrassing. No one would dispute some of his legendary performances for United but when it goes wrong he just seems another one that gets shell shocked. The third goal (imo) and the Firminho goal shouldn't happen.ouch!
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I don't think you can reasonably discount a statistical model based on a single data point that still appears to be well within the margin for error. You might well be right in saying that this shot was rated a bit higher than it deserved - even though a point blank shot is always among the hardest to stop - but that's not enough to claim the entire model is irrelevant.Gakpo's goal yesterday a perfect example. XG on target basically just refers to placement of a shot within the frame of the goal... Doesn't usually take into account angle shooting from or speed of the shot or curl. All hard to quantify in a goalkeeper model. Gakpo for example chipped de Gea from a position that de Gea had no business conceding from. It landed in the far corner. Super high xG on target. In reality, de Gea should make himself bigger and save it before it goes all the way to the far post.
That's revisionism. Majority suspected Maguire isn't a good fit for Ten Hag ball and had 1 really poor season, but were content to invest in other priority areas instead (DM, RW, ST, RB then CB). Read the older threads if you have to. Especially regarding the Martinez signing when we hadn't signed any in the priority. I even had to argue with a few who insisted that the RB position is more important than CB.I'm not sure what you mean? Maguire was horrendous and 99 percent of the people here wanted him replaced as a priority
Oww.. sorry i was out of context. Yeh, DDG can be improved, although it would take 50-70m to get an obvious upgrade on him.That 80% is joking reference to the poster who said 80% of the keepers job is to make saves. He didn't have a great day at the one bit of his job he's apparently the best in the world at.
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Utd need a new keeper, 2 new right backs, a new midfielder and a new striker. For me, a new keeper is top of that list.
Based on what?Oww.. sorry i was out of context. Yeh, DDG can be improved, although it would take 50-70m to get an obvious upgrade on him.
A new keeper as top of the list won't make us won that 7-0 game. But yeah, we all have opinions.
Based on historical recent purchase of Gk. I did say "obvious upgrade".Based on what?
Such as?Based on historical recent purchase of Gk. I did say "obvious upgrade".
Both near post finishes could have been saved I felt. I wouldn't say they are DDG mistakes but felt they could have been saved. In fact another day I think DDG saves the Firmino shot.Oww.. sorry i was out of context. Yeh, DDG can be improved, although it would take 50-70m to get an obvious upgrade on him.
A new keeper as top of the list won't make us won that 7-0 game. I am curious. But yeah, we all have opinions.
Which goal that you think even the like of Alisson would've prevented??
It's not a useful model and there are far better out there is my point. There are countless examples. I always post this guy but he explains it better:I don't think you can reasonably discount a statistical model based on a single data point that still appears to be well within the margin for error. You might well be right in saying that this shot was rated a bit higher than it deserved - even though a point blank shot is always among the hardest to stop - but that's not enough to claim the entire model is irrelevant.
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This is de geas clanger vs Brentford which his model says is saved 96% of the time, while Opta had only 68% for xG on target. Massive difference.Tweet
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Striker is certainty most important. The right one there will also transform our team. Central midfield, keeper and maybe rightback are all fairly even in my eyes.They’d be wrong. Having a keeper suited to your style transforms your team instantly.
I don't think 50/70m is true. Plenty available for much less and as the other poster pointed out other teams have done it.Oww.. sorry i was out of context. Yeh, DDG can be improved, although it would take 50-70m to get an obvious upgrade on him.
A new keeper as top of the list won't make us won that 7-0 game. I am curious. But yeah, we all have opinions.
Which goal that you think even the like of Alisson would've prevented??