When did rivalries stop mattering?

[Skills]

I must have missed the memo.

It seems like a lot of people seem to take pride in remaining calm and zen, after getting obliterated by your biggest rivals. It was the case last season and the same now.

Is this the modern football hipsters badge of honour?

 

[Big Andy]

Calm and Zen? I was in a right foul mood all yesterday evening. My missus even came out with the classic "It's just a game". I'll let her off as this is the first time we've got beat since we've lived together, and it was a bad bad defeat.

Ordinarily I'm nowhere near as bad as I used to be with a defeat, time was I'd be fecked off for days and days when I was younger, but nowadays I can brush it off pretty quickly, but yesterday is lingering on.

 

[spiriticon]

I am seriously confused as well.

If a loss like yesterday didn't matter, I can't see how one could take joy at winning...

Every game is just meh. Maybe years of hurt has done this to most of our fans.

 

[Ian Reus]

Never. For me, it's more intense now than ever.
Feck the Scouser and their freak result yesterday.
We're on our way back, albeit with a few bumps on the road.

 

[Solius]

Sometimes looking at it from a different perspective helps people cope with it. I know it works for me.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

You know you don't need to make a new thread every time a thought pops into your head?

 

[Champ]

Context is key,

No one likes losing, especially to Liverpool, but we've just won a trophy and are the form team in the league, still in two other cups as well.
It was one loss, albeit a heavy one, it isn't the end of the world, it's how we react that's important now.

 

[Skills]

You know you don't need to make a new thread every time a thought pops into your head?

You know you don't have to post, everytime you see a new thread right?

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Ordinarily I'm nowhere near as bad as I used to be with a defeat, time was I'd be fecked off for days and days when I was younger, but nowadays I can brush it off pretty quickly,

This is the case for me too. Rivalries still matter, but I don't get worked up about them anywhere near as much as I did when I was younger. I actually laughed as goal 6 and 7 went in, more out of disbelief than it actually being funny.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Context is key,

No one likes losing, especially to Liverpool, but we've just won a trophy and are the form team in the league, still in two other cups as well.
It was one loss, albeit a heavy one, it isn't the end of the world, it's how we react that's important now.

Agreed. As SAF used to say, "Everyone loses, It's how you react that matters."

 

[JimmyWils]

Yeah I'm not sure I agree on this one.

We could be sailing to a league win and they could be rock bottom on 0 points and this game would still matter, it's our biggest rivalry. Losing to them is worse than to any other team, and beating them is better than any other.

I get that people like to say it hasn't bothered them as much because we've had a rough time since Fergie left, but I'd question it not bothering them at all.

 

[Scandi Red]

Context is key

This.

I also reckon posters on RedCafe are a little more chill(apart from the match day threads and the Bruno thread). Teenagers these days have no interest in these classic forums, so we have weeded out of a lot of hormonal rage. And the middle-aged violent thugs with massive bellies can barely write a coherent sentence so I doubt that they would get through the newbie system.

 

[El Zoido]

They stop mattering when you get smashed 7-0 and pretending you don’t care is the only way you can cope.

 

[11101]

This is why we say it's different for local fans vs the rest.

For some, oh well its just a game, lets go and get dinner and carry on with life. For others, it's the dread of knowing the stick you'll get from friends and at work for the next few weeks. Rivalries most definitely do matter.

 

[Zed 101]

I must have missed the memo.

It seems like a lot of people seem to take pride in remaining calm and zen, after getting obliterated by your biggest rivals. It was the case last season and the same now.

Is this the modern football hipsters badge of honour?

I was so peed off yesterday but I cannot carry that level of anger and disappointment on into my life or it will just be miserable and i will make everyone around me miserable..... I get where you are coming from but I would rather feel happy instead of holding on to crap I can do nothing about

I cannot listen to talk sport or sky sports or read anything to do with sports until it has calmed down though

 

[Nickelodeon]

They stop mattering when you get smashed 7-0 and pretending you don’t care is the only way you can cope.

My man here is throwing some truth bombs

 

[sullydnl]

Context matters.

But also feeling bad after a loss doesn't automatically mean we have to post like angry spanners on the internet. It's generally preferable to try and remain calm and zen rather than spit invective and wallow in misery.

I mean what do you want us want to actually do instead?

 

[horsechoker]

It's just a game

 

[Scandi Red]

It's just a game

 

[redcucumber]

Does bitching and moaning on the internet suddenly make the rivalry matter more? Yes, it's horrible. Nobody saw it coming and it was humiliating. Still, we're third. We've won a trophy and we're deep in two more competitions. I wouldn't change our manager for anyone else. At least with United it's always box office.

 

[Rightnr]

The best ones are those using the xG justification. Some proper RAWK alternative table thinking

 

[Matthew84!]

Just remember win lose or draw you don't get paid, you still have to get on with life, its fine to be upset for an evening or day but tbh if you're letting the result affect your life too much you need to stop,
Everyone should already of forgotten yesterday and moved onto the next game.

 

[BD]

Is this the modern football hipsters badge of honour?

Whereas for me, the rage and wallowing often comes across as a "Real Fan" badge of honour.

 

[Scandi Red]

The best ones are those using the xG justification. Some proper RAWK alternative table thinking

xG is obviously a shitty metric, but I do think Liverpool scored on pretty much every single attempt?

We have played far worse games and lost by just two or three goals. We deserved to get pissed on, but the scoreline was also a freak result. Both things can be true.

 

[kthanksbye]

I'm a little less worried because the way we played in the 2nd half, and the whole game in general. The reason we let them absolutely annihilate us is the same reason I think the players will recover from this without much difficulty. The rivalry might mean a lot to us, but to me it doesn't look like the players see it that way. Evidence is pretty much everything Roy Keane must've said yesterday (I don't know what he said). The players don't seem to be bothered about the rivalry, or they wouldn't let this happen, now that they have let this happen, I don't think they'll dwell over it a lot.
Not sure if it's a good thing or not, but that's how I look at it anyway.

 

[Member 125288]

What’s with all the reaction police coming on here and telling others how they should be feeling and acting?

At the end of the day, rivalries are worth nothing more than bragging rights. If you’re so fragile and thin-skinned that you fall to bits after a few messages from your dipper friends then I feel sorry for you.

PS, I was born in the 70s so I’m absolutely not a zen football hipster, whatever the feck that is.

 

[scottser]

I must have missed the memo.

It seems like a lot of people seem to take pride in remaining calm and zen, after getting obliterated by your biggest rivals. It was the case last season and the same now.

Is this the modern football hipsters badge of honour?

bragging rights generally last a week or so in football. you'd be mad to shoot your mouth off too much when you win because you'll get your arse handed to you soon enough. likewise, when you get badly beaten all you can do is dust yourself off and go again.
now we go again.

 

[JPRouve]

Yesterday game is upsetting, it brings questions and doubts but acting like a prat isn't the only way to express those feelings.

 

[Remember the geese]

Because not everyone has the mentality of a three year old?

 

[Sweet Square]

I’m over 30 years old and have others things in my life.

 

[horsechoker]

Reminds me of the "watch yo profanity" meme

 

[flameinthesun]

I wouldn't say I'm Zen about the defeat to Liverpool, if we had won I would have been ripping into my Liverpool supporting friends (as they have done with me). But a part of me knew we were due to lose soon due to inevitability, the schedule and the mental toll of having to do so many comebacks recently, so there is that. Also as terrible as the performance was I have seen positive signs from Ten Hag and the team throughout the season, including recovering from very bad results. And finally, we have a chance to end this season as one of our most successful seasons if we get top 4 and 2-3 trophies. Would probably be the best season post-Fergie. So yesterday I was embarrassed and absolutely angry, but today I'm curious and looking forward to how Ten Hag handles the challenge of picking up the team and trying to win another 1-2 trophies.

 

[horsechoker]

I’m over 30 years old and have others things in my life.

Knitting, boules, not remembering what you were told 5 minutes ago

 

[Chairman Steve]

There’s no point dwelling on bad things. You need to move on from it. It’s just a game and there’s always the next game as the old saying goes.

Would you feel better knowing the scousers felt the same way a week or so ago as Real slapped them around?

 

[AshRK]

I don't think anyone is taking pride. All United fans are fuming, hurt but some are not going to knee jerking everything.

Maybe you are that type who like fans to be reactionary. The best way to deal with such loss is go on and win more trophies.

This is why when people say let us throw away europa and FA cup are not understanding that will do more damage.

Our 3 main targets this season should be finish above scouse, win europa and win FA cup. Do that and this defeat will hurt less.

 

[Red Star One]

It's obviously damage control and sort of denial, very human but at the same time if it was the other way around, we'd be laughing our assess of at RAWK posts trying to spin it as "three points lost like any other". It's normal, what are we supposed to do, remain in agony? Feel for the fans that actually have to face some Scousers in the upcoming days and tell them that the rivalry stopped mattering.

 

[TsuWave]

I must have missed the memo.

It seems like a lot of people seem to take pride in remaining calm and zen, after getting obliterated by your biggest rivals. It was the case last season and the same now.

Is this the modern football hipsters badge of honour?

United became really shit. As a coping mechanism people started acting like record breaking beatings at the hands of your rivals don’t matter that much. It’s an annual occurrence now, sometimes more than once in the same season. “B-b-but Carabao”.

It’s comical to see, really.

 

[Alcio77]

If we win 2 trophies in the same season, a major one plus the League Cup, I’d trade the League Cup for a 7-0 win against Liverpool all the days of my life.

Football is all about rivalries

 

[horsechoker]

It's like when your son gets an A in his test and gets all excited to show you so you "wow, is that it? How much money did you make? I was driving a brand new Mercedes at 17. What are you doing?"

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I'm still incandescent with rage about it. You don't lose seven zip to a rival. Moreover that mob, at their worst, in 4 seasons......