I would have to disagree with it. We are expecting Kane to be scoring ton of goals for us and not for creating assists we have other players for that.tbf Kane is brilliant at transitions with his decision making and passing. Everyone sorta assumes all of the forwards need to have 99/100 pace to be great at transitions. But you only really need to have maybe one player with that kinda pace and everyone else to be able to make the best decisions in terms of passes as well as runs during transitions.
Only reservation in terms of favoring Kane over Oshimen for me is how well Kane can press from the front. Whether do we really need high-octane pressing like what Oshimen could provide or good enough level of pressing (and mainly positional pressing) what we expect to get from Kane.
If I’ll compare Kane to Lukaku will that put you off him as well? Osimhen & Lukaku are very different players.In the end I'll be happy with either, but the Lukaku comparisons for Osimhen definitely worry me a bit.
He can't actually do it all though, because he lacks the pace and ability to press that would allow a player like Osimhen to contribute in some ways Kane simply can't.I keep trying to sell myself on Osimhen because he is the younger player, but Kane is objectively the better player and it's not even close. Osimhen can score goals, but Kane can do it all. In the end I'll be happy with either, but the Lukaku comparisons for Osimhen definitely worry me a bit.
I know this is true, but then I see the following:I would have to disagree with it. We are expecting Kane to be scoring ton of goals for us and not for creating assists we have other players for that.
Although Kane is much faster Berba, we saw how much our game slowed down when we signed Berba.
If we signed Kane, I would expect us not to rely on counter-attack at all.We already have Antony and Sancho who are not rapid with the ball. May be Rashford and Garnacho are the only rapid players we have.
Antony not having pace is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things that has gone to live it's own life on the caf. There is enough to criticise him for, but not that.I know this is true, but then I see the following:
Antony has been clocked at 35.7kph (22.2mph), which would put him in or around the top 10 for the fastest players in Premier League.
Why is he fast, but slow?
Feck me. I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for clearing that upAntony not having pace is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things that has gone to live it's own life on the caf. There is enough to criticise him for, but not that.
Don't celebrate too soon, it isnt dying and posters will keep repeating and repeating until they actually believe it.Feck me. I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for clearing that up
I swear half the thread think this is true.Antony not having pace is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things that has gone to live it's own life on the caf. There is enough to criticise him for, but not that.
I think he does well to score so many goals in defensive teams like Spurs and England, at United we'd create more chances for him and he wouldn't have to keep dropping into midfield to get the ballI really don't want Kane. He has longevity going for him, but even if I compare him to the best PL strikers of the past 15 years, he's way below Rooney, van Persie, Aguero, Suarez, Torres, Drogba for me at their peak. He always gets his goals but don't think he's a team changing player at all. The amount of times where I've seen him do feck all for England and Spurs and maybe score with his bum or a penalty out of the blue, just very meh.
Meanwhile I think he has all attributes and shows them sporadically.
Is this running with ball or without ? If you are talking only about sprint then I don’t disagree. But running with ball even when in space I did not notice the pace.I know this is true, but then I see the following:
Antony has been clocked at 35.7kph (22.2mph), which would put him in or around the top 10 for the fastest players in Premier League.
Why is he fast, but slow?
Tough to say. You've got a bunch of questions and ranges here that will determine things:That is really interesting.
But why do we think Kane will be less expensive than Osimhen? Uli Hoeness said in the Abendzeitung yesterday *** Kane is too expensive for Bayern. He said Man City offered 160 million last year which Tottenham rejected and he said he thought Tottenham would want around the same this year. Even if that means he could walk out for free a year later.
Voetbal International said today that Napoli’s overall budget is around 200 million of which they use 130 million for salaries. That is a lot less than real big clubs. They can’t afford higher wages for Osimhen, they have to sell him to get enough money for replacements.
Very valid points.Tough to say. You've got a bunch of questions and ranges here that will determine things:
1. Is Kane determined to leave for free in 2024 if he's not sold this summer, or is he willing to resign (there were reports) if they bring in another manager and a couple quality signings to go 4 at the back (an LB, LCB and a creative midfielder) or sign some CBs, a LWB and a midfielder to actually make Conte's team as good as his Scudetto winning ones. Son-Kane-Kulusevski-Richarlison-Bentancur-Romero-Porro is a solid core if they add a left side and probably a quality CB, maybe get Bissouma on form as Bentancur's partner.
2. What's Bayern's ceiling for spending on Kane? Feels like it would be like 50-60M or around that. If they can 4-5 years of top play out of him that's not insane for them, and Lewandowski aged well for them, and with Muller getting older they'll have quickness and pace around him.
3. Is Osimhen desperate to come to the Prem and willing to take fan anger (and it is Naples) all next year to force a move next summer with one year to go, or is he willing to say sign a 2 year extension with a 100-110M clause in 2025 allowing him to leave then for a price that isn't insane anymore for a striker in his mid 20s.
4. Is Madrid going to just cut tie with Benzema (who's finally looking his age) and go for Osimhen or Kane? They might be willing to spend to bridge the gap until Endrick is ready, and Kane's timeline of 3-4 years as a starter for them seems about perfect for that, though there is the Mbappe (and Haaland questions). We're probably 2 CL exits away from City deciding Haaland doesn't fit there since he's going to score 90+ goals in those 2 seasons.
5. What do Spurs want to do? Would they take 90M for Kane if he's leaving in a season? That's enough to sign a long-term replacement like Ramos or give Richarlison a shot and sign someone to compete/rotate with him like Jonathan David, Okafor or Toney for half the money and buy another quality starter, which they badly need at LB, LCB and a #10. Are we sure that they're not the exact same quality of team but younger with say Kane and Conte out and a more modern manager and say David, Maddison and Hincapie in, running a 4-3-3 and being far more mobile?
My wild guess is we end up signing Ramos, who fits tactically. Kane to Madrid or Bayern I could see, Spurs getting 70M from one of them or say 50M+ and Ferland Mendy might appeal more than 100M from United and infuriating their fanbase as Kane sets the record for us. Osimhen knuckles under and signs a deal to extend a couple years in exchange for a clearer route out to the Prem when he's 26/27 and everyone sort of gets what they want there, and Napoli will fancy themselves to win the league again and compete for the CL next year.
Isn't there a risk that our spine would be old and overpaid? De Gea, Varane, Casemiro, Kane. All 30+ having collectively played thousands of games.Minus the odd youtube goals compilation I havent seen much of Osimhen so I'll go for Kane.
Kane could do a Casemiro, at the tail end of his career but could improve the team ten-fold.
Maybe it's his dribbling technique that is slow because he appears to be easily caught by even slow fullbacksAntony not having pace is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things that has gone to live it's own life on the caf. There is enough to criticise him for, but not that.
I know what you mean. There's times when it looks like he's in behind and sprinting at full pace but is still caught up by the fullback.Maybe it's his dribbling technique that is slow because he appears to be easily caught by even slow fullbacks
would be worth it if we challenged for the league next season.Isn't there a risk that our spine would be old and overpaid? De Gea, Varane, Casemiro, Kane. All 30+ having collectively played thousands of games.
This is where I stand on it. We do this and in a couple of years we're gonna need a whole new spine of the team. If anything we should be aiming for a team to be strong for a good few years.Isn't there a risk that our spine would be old and overpaid? De Gea, Varane, Casemiro, Kane. All 30+ having collectively played thousands of games.
Probably because we never see him use it to beat anybody, I’ve seen him run fast to get to a ball but not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a man on the outside dropping a shoulder and using any of that pace. He’s not very direct with itAntony not having pace is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things that has gone to live it's own life on the caf. There is enough to criticise him for, but not that.
I agree with all of this. Wouldn't be upset if we landed either but Kane definitely the safer choice and better footballer. People forget how good he is at creating chances too. Rashford would feast playing with Kane.My opinion is that Kane can blend with Rashford, Sancho and Antony better than Osinhem can because he has a calmness in the way he controls the ball and chooses his pass. All of our front 3 can be too erratic in taking care of the ball when we have the opponent penned in. Almost 'too' direct.
He is a better finisher than Osinhem and can drop deep in that quater back role to maximize Rashford's abilities in periods. There is a real potential for Kane to have a prime Son esque partnership with Rashford.
Osinhem on the other hand comes with the exciting potential of being a threatening 9 running in behind, and ability to swap channels with Rashford. I don't think he's polished enough in his hold up play though, and for that reason my preference is Kane.
I wouldn't be disappointed with either signing, both are really exciting. I have a soft spot for Kane but I just hope we get Ten Hag's first choice striker (whether that is Kane, Osinhem or some other).
Abraham just seems like bad value for money. 3 years left on his deal. I think he's a 40M player who would cost 60+Very valid points.
I don’t think Kane will go to Bayern or Madrid. I think Real will try to get Mbappe again, so not a lot of money left for Kane I think. Bayern already have a couple of good attackers, although I think Kane is better than them I don’t think they want to spend a lot for Kane. I think Nagelsmann will want to built a new team with younger players.
Could Abrahams be an option for us? He’s gotten a lot better in Italy. And maybe it’s a opportunity to improve our British core of the team a bit. I always thought the really strong teams had a core of nationality from their own contry. Like Ajax in the 90’s, Man Utd in the 90’s, Barcelona in the 00’s, Bayern in the 10’s and Juve in the 10’s. Probably others and you good probably name a lot of teams who didn’t have that, but I always thought the teams that dominated for a longer period had a core of more players from their own country with some extra special talents from abroad.
This is fair. He's shown very little and barely uses the quality he does have. Been very disappointing especially for those that havent watched him prior.Probably because we never see him use it to beat anybody, I’ve seen him run fast to get to a ball but not sure I’ve ever seen him beat a man on the outside dropping a shoulder and using any of that pace. He’s not very direct with it
I don't think he has that quality. Antony is so slow on the ball it boggles the mind. Have you ever seen a DM catch a decent pacey winger when given a head start?This is fair. He's shown very little and barely uses the quality he does have. Been very disappointing especially for those that havent watched him prior.
I disagree. I do think he slows play down a lot to the frustration of basically everyone. He seems to slow himself down maybe because his decision making isn't fast enough.I don't think he has that quality. Antony is so slow on the ball it boggles the mind. Have you ever seen a DM catch a decent pacey winger when given a head start?
He’s barely missed a game for about 3 years. He’s a machine and, with the benefit of us having some options to rest him which Spurs rarely do, it would be very surprising if he wasn’t world class for another 5 years.What state are Kane’s glass ankles in these days? That’s my major Kane issue (ignoring fees, both will cost plenty). We know he’ll score goals.
All the same attribute, but OK.Osimhen…. Not even a discussion point. Fast pacey run behind defenders good in air… a beast
Ah but he is quick too!All the same attribute, but OK.
Looking on transfermkt does seem his injury days are behind him.He’s barely missed a game for about 3 years. He’s a machine and, with the benefit of us having some options to rest him which Spurs rarely do, it would be very surprising if he wasn’t world class for another 5 years.
