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Bravo is irrelevant in the conversation though. He dropped Hart & played Caballero because he was a better fit for the team. Who he signed after that isn’t thr point; one of the first things he did was change the goalkeeper because he wasn’t suited to how he wanted his team to play. That’s where we are at.Let see then, how much we'd spent on Gk.
Did Guardiola win anything the season he replace Hart, or was it after he upgraded several other payers? Guardiola upgraded Joe Hart with a worse Gk that he eventually replaced also.
Funny how they become mutes when he has a good game, anything other than a clean sheet or a win and he is automatically at fault for our finishing, our build up in midfield and the goalkeeping,I see the cringelord De Gea haters are out in full force again.
Neither goal was on De Gea, nor was the collapse of our midfield play on De Gea. The aspects of his play that are not at the level of peak Allison (which no longer exists) are there for all to see, but Dave did job tonight and was far, very far, from being our weak link.
Another convenient straw man that completely ignores the actual discussion in here and the legitimate criticisms that are made. I hope you stay in the newbies.Funny how they become mutes when he has a good game, anything other than a clean sheet or a win and he is automatically at fault for our finishing, our build up in midfield and the goalkeeping,
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Its so bizarre and you dont really see it this much in other threads. Like who has become 'mute' when DDG has a good game? There is no evidence of that at all, but its thrown out there as its the only way to deflect from actual constructive criticism.Another convenient straw man that completely ignores the actual discussion in here and the legitimate criticisms that are made. I hope you stay in the newbies.
What I will complain about is earlier they gave an offside against Casemiro when a) he didn't look offside and b) he didn't touch the ball, nor was any Spurs player anywhere near the ball. Stopped us getting a corner and sustaining an attack.Probably, but you can't complain about an offside there when your player does something stupid like that in the box.
This. I lost count how many possessions were handed by him in the second half. Our opponents know it (exploiting his weakness), opposition fans know it (celebrate when he gets the ball), our own players know it (even Shaw was frustrated with his passing option), only our fans refuse to accept it.We will never be able to control possession with a keeper who just hoofs it at the slightest sign of pressure. Who were our targets today? Rashford? Martial? Neither are particularly good aerially. The opponent just cleans up the loose ball and launches another attack. De Gea needs to be a 2nd choice keeper, he's not good enough.
If you think that current Alisson is below the level of peak Alisson, God knows how far below the level of peak Alisson you think current De Gea is. Even current Alisson (who, to be fair, is still the world's best keeper in my view) is lightyears ahead of current De Gea.I see the cringelord De Gea haters are out in full force again.
Neither goal was on De Gea, nor was the collapse of our midfield play on De Gea. The aspects of his play that are not at the level of peak Allison (which no longer exists) are there for all to see, but Dave did job tonight and was far, very far, from being our weak link.
Okay, but no top team has a main tactic of challenging for the second ball, from GK punts.We challenge for the second ball, not the first. Half of Ederson‘s long balls go to the other team, or more than half. As I said, this thread is ridiculous.
I will rewatch the first goal since I missed it.
We’ve been doing this “we’ve got more important issues to address” thing for years now. Personally I think a new gk is the absolute top priority, even ahead of a CF.Whether he will be a first choice goalkeeper for next season will tell us a lot about the state of the club. I can't imagine people actually believe this is the GK Erik wants/is happy with (forget the wages). But it might be we have bigger issues and we just can't replace De Gea - what would be very disappointing.
The way he still plays like a little boy (being the most senior player in the squad) is the reason I want him gone.
Can't understand why people can't see this.Bravo is irrelevant in the conversation though. He dropped Hart & played Caballero because he was a better fit for the team. Who he signed after that isn’t thr point; one of the first things he did was change the goalkeeper because he wasn’t suited to how he wanted his team to play. That’s where we are at.
And while they didn’t win anything they conceded less goals, gained 12 more points & finished higher in the table. Despite having a supposedly worse goalkeeper.
Where does he rank in expected saves?What gets me about stuff like this is how do the Club not look at it, especially a guy like Ten Haag. I really hoped he'd be the one to show the Glazers you can spend less money while running the club more efficiently.
Not a problem when that happens deep in the opposition half. A problem when it happens at the half way line. See the second goal tonight. His inability to get any length on “long” clearances is annoying.
This. I lost count how many possessions were handed by him in the second half. Our opponents know it (exploiting his weakness), opposition fans know it (celebrate when he gets the ball), our own players know it (even Shaw was frustrated with his passing option), only our fans refuse to accept it.
The biggest issue is how he cant even get distance on the ones hes clearing. Either clear it fully (even if you have to put it out for a throw) or put it really wide. He does the floaty one almost always through the middleNot only is his passing ability poor, his kick is also quite weak. Spurs' second goal is partly due him not kicking long enough. Get rid.
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Every time he kicked it long I was saying to my son "straight to a Spurs player" at the moment he kicked it and sure enough, every time...The biggest issue is how he cant even get distance on the ones hes clearing. Either clear it fully (even if you have to put it out for a throw) or put it really wide. He does the floaty one almost always through the middle
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This is one of my biggest peeves. We are so far back that it invites pressure and we end up conceding.Tweet
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He specialises on ONE of the required keeping attributes of modern keepers and is no longer great at that. His wages make it hard to replace him.So let me just see if I have this right...
Our goalkeeper....
- is weak at claiming low crosses into his 6-yard box, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
- is weak at sweeping balls in behind the back four, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
- is weak at saving one vs ones, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
- is weak at saving penalties, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
- is weak in possession, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
- is weak at claiming high crosses and at set-pieces in particular, but its OK because he occasionally makes a decent save
I dispute he's even any good at shot stopping now, I genuinely think (and maybe i'll get stick for this) that he is the weakest all-round GK in the league. If we give him a new contract, thats a serious step backwards for me in the ETH era.
Luckily he's out of contract in the summer.He specialises on ONE of the required keeping attributes of modern keepers and is no longer great at that. His wages make it hard to replace him.
As Peter Schemiechel said, the further you keep the opposition from your goal the less chance they have to score and the less you need to do as a keeper. That was his approach to keeping in the 90s, keep your defence pushed up and you have less to do overall. 30 years later have people who still think do the opposite is a good idea.This is one of my biggest peeves. We are so far back that it invites pressure and we end up conceding.
That is something that really pisses me off too. The ball out that the Spurs player headed forward that led to the second goal, Rashford can win that header if he actually tries.Whilst I agree with the criticisms, I’d also like to highlight our inability to compete for those kick outs, some of the players barely tried
Yeah, the defensive line height is horrid. There's a few things we need to do to become a more 'modern' side in the bigger games and tricky away matches, and our inability to play higher up the field is one of the bigger problems.This is one of my biggest peeves. We are so far back that it invites pressure and we end up conceding.
This is just a consequence of the modern game. Time was that many attackers built their careers on the ability to be at least as physical as defenders. But as skill and speed has increasingly replaced strength in attack, the natural upshot is that defenders get the upper hand in aerial battles.That is something that really pisses me off too. The ball out that the Spurs player headed forward that led to the second goal, Rashford can win that header if he actually tries.
TBF if he does try to save it, then at least we likely get the offside call with richarlison interfering. But because he doesn't try, no offside...To be fair. Look at the first goal. No keeper on earth is saving that.
Ten Hag should replace him and not give him a new contract if he is serious about his playstyle. Otherwise, we are just papering over the cracks as usual.I know it shouldn't be like that but Ten Hag should tell him to just kick it as far away as possible. He keeps trying to get the ball to someone and he's giving it away in the worse possible positions.
Certainly not at the wages he wants. He'll regret having turned down our stupid 200k/week offer if that's true.If we didn't renew his contract this summer, do we think there would be much of a market for him on a free? I really don't think there are many clubs (especially those wanting to compete for top honours) that would be in a big rush to sign him, which says a lot.
Not even papering over cracks. He is one of the biggest cracks in the team and quite often you can trace our goals conceded to something he did poorly.Ten Hag should replace him and not give him a new contract if he is serious about his playstyle. Otherwise, we are just papering over the cracks as usual.
Some dudes in the thread. Should have forced an offside for the first goal and grabbed the cross for the second. Seriously.Who has blamed both goals on just ddg? @NLunited
